Saturday’s Forum

James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. Bill says:
  2. Bill says:
  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Trump’s public lands chief refuses to leave his post despite judge’s order

    A controversial environment chief in the Trump administration has said he has no intention of leaving his post after a US district court judge deemed his tenure and ongoing occupation of the position illegal.

    William Perry Pendley, head of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), said this week that the judge’s ruling “has no impact, no impact whatsoever”.

    “I have the support of the president,” he told the Wyoming Powell Tribune. “I have the support of the secretary of the interior and my job is to get out and get things done to accomplish what the president wants to do.”

    What I would like to do to these mf’ers.

  4. CSK says:

    The October 15 debate has been canceled completely.

  5. CSK says:

    Trump told Limbaugh yesterday that “Fox is no longer great,” and that he blames this decline on Paul Ryan, who is on the board.

  6. OzarkHillbilly says:
  7. CSK says:

    Ever since I read that Olivia Jade Gianulli, daughter of college admissions scamster Lori Loughlin, was pulling down in excess of one million dollars per year as an eighteen-year-old influencer, my sympathy for the breed has been well under control.

    I’m a bad person.

  8. Teve says:


    Oh no the debate is cancelled due to the catastrophic mishandling of a pandemic how will we know which candidate to vote for?

  9. gVOR08 says:

    @Teve: To be fair, the Commission’s decision to take precautions over COVID is biased. It endorses Biden’s position and undercuts Trump’s leading policy position that the virus isn’t real. For which see my comment about a “reality based” tribe on the post about medical journals taking a stand.

  10. CSK says:

    To be fair–and I hate being fair to D. Trump–his position seems to have moderated from “the virus isn’t real” to “it’s real, but it’s absolutely nothing to worry about.”

    His current position is, however, a bit conflicting for the Trumpkins. On the one hand, they want to believe that only a superhuman in terrific physical condition like Trump could have overcome a potentially lethal virus so easily, and on the other hand, they want to believe that it’s just a “scamdemic” engineered by the Democrats.

  11. Sleeping Dog says:


    Guess they couldn’t find a PoC to beat.

  12. Teve says:

    Trump might have gotten antibodies immediately, but most Americans won’t.

    First, there simply are not yet enough doses in the world. Regeneron currently has enough doses for 50,000 patients. Eli Lilly, which makes a different COVID-19 monoclonal-antibody therapy that is also in clinical trials, says it will have 100,000 doses in October. To put that in context, the United States has 50,000 new cases of COVID-19 every day.

    The president’s latest Silver bullet

  13. Teve says:



    Humans: “oh thank fucking god”

    Aliens: “wait what?”

  14. gVOR08 says:


    His current position is, however, a bit conflicting for the Trumpkins.

    Cognitive dissonance has never bothered them before.

  15. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: I posted that headline mostly because it just seems so… Weird and discordant. I really don’t know anything at all about “influencers” (whatever TF they are). I know that some, and I presume it’s a very few, make a whole lot of money, tho for the life of my I can’t see how that works. I read the first 3 paras and stopped because… I’m a Luddite and really don’t care, and their issues are far away from anything in my world.

    The other reason I posted it is because as a lifelong union carpenter, one of my favorite things to say is, “What you/those people need, is a union.” I suspect it would actually help the vast majority of influencers who don’t make that much money and are in fact abused by corporate America.

  16. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @gVOR08: Their ability to live with it is a genetic adaptation I could not have foreseen.

  17. Teve says:

    You’ve got to have cognitive before you can have dissonance.

  18. Sleeping Dog says:


    Yeah, trumpkins can express contradictory thoughts in the same sentence.

  19. CSK says:

    I know. It’s remarkable. I always think of the Alice in Wonderland character who practiced believing six impossible things before breakfast.

    Yeah, I know. I wonder how they’re exploited, though. Do companies not pay them for promoting various brands? (I have to admit I only skimmed the article.) If you have a contract to promote something, then the company would be required to pay you. If not…then I suppose you’re out of luck. If I were to make a Youtube video talking about how much I liked my laptop, would the manufacturer be obliged to pay me?

  20. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: Well, in all fairness, influencing appears to be a lot like acting or being a musician: for every fabulously successful star there are many, many more just struggling to get noticed. Taylor Swift is a gazillionaire but there are about 100,000 more strugglers driving overnight in a 1993 Econoline van to make the next bar gig where they don’t get paid but are allowed to work the merch table in between sets.

  21. MarkedMan says:

    @gVOR08: Put another way, if Trumpers could process reality at all they wouldn’t be Trumpers.

  22. MarkedMan says:

    @Teve: You, sir, have won the internet today.

  23. Mister Bluster says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:..Try to keep up.

    OK Boss…just call me Rochester because that’s where I was born…

  24. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: If you have a contract to promote something, then the company would be required to pay you. If not…then I suppose you’re out of luck.

    That is certainly one way they can. Most corporations have a bevy of in house asshole lawyers who are experts at getting rid of penny ante pissants and outside litigators just a rarin’ to go to town on some poor schlub who just doesn’t get it and actually thinks they have rights. That’s one of the beauties of a union, they have asshole lawyers too and they love to fight. (been there, done that, would’ve been screwed w/o the union lawyer). I’m sure there are a thousand other ways they can fuck with people, some corporate robots seem to take perverse joy in doing that.

  25. Bill says:

    My father-in-law passed away 26 years ago today. Tatay and I got along pretty well.

    Today is October 10th or Ten Ten. Dear wife and I used to have a cat named Ten Ten from 1996 to 2006. My wife’s nickname is Net Net and if you turn it around you get….

    My latest ebook is done and ready to be proofed. Its the one about the human woman in outer space who is being pursued by a female alien who is looking for a mate. Not too sure what I will write next but it will be something back on Earth.

  26. CSK says:

    This is also true of actors, writers, painters, sculptors, and any other kind of artist. Mostly it’s an accident of fate–or of fashion, luck, and hype, as someone once put it–that determines whether you become a hit.

  27. Mikey says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: My daughter is a fitness and nutrition coach and has enough Instagram followers to be considered a mid-level influencer. Basically companies come to her asking her to push their products on her Instagram feed, for which they would pay her for exerting her influence.

    She always refuses because she considers it contrary to her evidence-based approach to nutrition and therefore unethical.

  28. Teve says:

    As president-elect, he had pledged to step back from the Trump Organization and recuse himself from his private company’s operation. As president, he built a system of direct presidential influence-peddling unrivaled in modern American politics.

    Federal tax-return data for Mr. Trump and his business empire, which was disclosed by The New York Times last month, showed that even as he leveraged his image as a successful businessman to win the presidency, large swaths of his real estate holdings were under financial stress, racking up losses over the preceding decades.

    But once Mr. Trump was in the White House, his family business discovered a lucrative new revenue stream: people who wanted something from the president. An investigation by The Times found over 200 companies, special-interest groups and foreign governments that patronized Mr. Trump’s properties while reaping benefits from him and his administration. Nearly a quarter of those patrons have not been previously reported.

    The tax records — along with membership rosters for Mar-a-Lago and the president’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J., as well as other sources — reveal how much money this new line of business was worth.

    The Swamp that Trump Built

  29. CSK says:

    The balcony spectacular this afternoon is being billed by the White House as “a peaceful protest for law and order.” Wut?

    Your daughter is admirable.

  30. MarkedMan says:


    She always refuses because she considers it contrary to her evidence-based approach to nutrition and therefore unethical.

    Good for her

  31. Mister Bluster says:

    “I care about everybody,” Graham said, speaking at a forum for South Carolina Senate candidates. “If you’re a young African American, an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state. You just need to be conservative, not liberal.”
    Business Insider

    Stinkin’ Bigot

  32. DrDaveT says:


    The other reason I posted it is because as a lifelong union carpenter, one of my favorite things to say is, “What you/those people need, is a union.”

    …and then when they try to argue about why management should have all of the bargaining power on pseudo-libertarian grounds, and that the government should enforce that, quote them some Adam Smith on the subject:

    Whenever the legislature attempts to regulate the differences between masters and their workmen, its counsellors are always the masters. When the regulation, therefore, is in favor of the workmen, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes otherwise when it is in favour of the masters.

  33. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Paul Ryan, just another RINO? Have to say that I really didn’t see that coming.

  34. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    Just another RINO is now synonymous with insufficient fealty to the House of Trump. You know he’s will attempt to move the cult to the Princess or Junior.

  35. Just nutha ignint cracker says:


    The influencers Lorenz interviewed had posted ad campaigns orchestrated by Speakr – whose clients include Ford, Disney, Microsoft and Sony – but their invoices remained unpaid for months. A then 22-year-old influencer who was owed $4,000 (£3,100) by Speakr took the company to a small-claims court; the judge ruled in their favour. [emphasis added]

    Ayup. Sounds like he or she needs to belong to an organization all right. Olivia Gianulli not withstanding. But just like in the academy back in my wayward and misspent adulthood, the Olivias of the world are not the rule, they are the exception that allow conservatives to perpetuate the whole “I’m a professional, I don’t need a union; therefore, neither do you” line of bullsh!xt.

  36. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Teve: @gVOR08: And please note that the next time someone wants to say that the Presidential Debates are rigged, say in 2023 for example (and yes, I am looking at you, Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton), they’ll only need to go back to this example. Not the wrong choice by any means, but actions do have consequences, and our society is fatally fragmented, however sad that is to say.

  37. DrDaveT says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    the Olivias of the world are not the rule, they are the exception that allow conservatives to perpetuate the whole “I’m a professional, I don’t need a union; therefore, neither do you” line of bullsh!xt.

    When I was in academia, back in the 90s, there was a movement to unionize the faculty at my semi-public institution. In the end, the faculty of Arts and Sciences unionized, while the faculty of Engineering and the professional schools (medical, business) did not. In hindsight, that was probably a reasonable outcome.

  38. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Oh, the Trumpkins hate Paul Ryan with a deep, abiding passion. They hate most Republicans, particularly the ones Trump has singled out for his ire: Romney, McCain, Sasse, McConnell, Murkowski… They see them as no different from the Democrats.

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    If by “academy,” you’re speaking of colleges and universities, you know that for all the fine left-wing sentiments they express, they’re among the very worst exploiters in terms of how they treat their part-time faculty: no benefits, no tenure, and a pittance in exchange for teaching all the introductory courses no one else wants to teach.

  39. CSK says:
  40. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mister Bluster: Not interested in being your boss, just wish that you wouldn’t mock people when you clearly have no idea of what was going on. But if you goal is to be a bunghole, keep up the good work.

  41. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: The last (actually only) corporation that I worked for was purchased in a quasi rescue merger. The story goes that the new owner contacted the managers of all the supermarkets in the chain declaring that 1) they had just been terminated, 2) the reason for doing it was because he wanted younger people in their posts, 3) that he did know that his action was a violation of federal law and would carry heavy fines if he was ever convicted, and 4) he was willing to take the risk because he saw the lawsuit as a war of attrition that he would win because he believed that they’d run out of money to pay their lawyers before he did.

    So much for the notion that “I have a contract; there are laws.” Means nothing to the plutocrats who run stuff.

  42. wr says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: “That’s one of the beauties of a union, they have asshole lawyers too and they love to fight. ”

    And most importantly… they’re on salary. So unlike the regular shmo’s lawyer, they don’t have to worry about not getting paid if they lose. Just like the corporation’s lawyers.

  43. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    This reminds me of when Trump said that he loved suing writers because “it costs me a few dollars and bankrupts them.” What a swine.

  44. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I’d be inclined to go with Princess rather than Junior for his preference. That choice would probably be a better match to what he thinks with.

  45. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Yes, I’m very aware. I work as an adjunct at 2 to 3 schools a term for about 6 or 7 years. When I left to go to Korea, a private school job teaching children paid 10 times what I had been making in the US–and hagw0n teachers such as myself were considered an exploited group even among conservatives in the government who didn’t really approve of us.

  46. Mister Bluster says:
  47. Teve says:


    A new PAC, “Raise Up for Trump,” is trying to get 1000 businesses with 1 million employees to sign a pledge. They’ll raise salaries after the election – but only if Trump wins.

  48. Teve says:


    North Korea unveiled what appeared to be a new intercontinental ballistic missile during a military parade on Saturday night, though it is unclear whether the weapon is functional or built for show, according to the New York Times.

    Why it matters: If it does work, analysts say it would be North Korea’s largest long-range missile to date, potentially able to fly further and carry a more powerful nuclear warhead than the country’s previous ICBMs.

    It not known whether the missile has been flight-tested.
    The big picture: The technology demonstrates that the country has improved its missile and nuclear innovation despite pressure from the United States, international sanctions, typhoons and the coronavirus pandemic.

    “What North Korea has shown us, what appears to be a new liquid-fueled ICBM that seems to be a derivative of what was tested back in late 2017, known as the Hwasong-15, is much bigger and clearly more powerful than anything in the DPRK’s arsenal,” Harry Kazianis, senior director of Korean studies at the Washington D.C.-based Center for the National Interest, told CNN.

  49. DrDaveT says:


    If by “academy,” you’re speaking of colleges and universities, you know that for all the fine left-wing sentiments they express, they’re among the very worst exploiters

    The faculties of colleges and universities express a lot of left-wing sentiments. Their administrations, on the other hand, are as conservative as it gets, and any public statements they make are based on the same profit motives as any other large, wealthy corporations. (And no, you are not a non-profit institution if your endowment is growing steadily…)

  50. Teve says:

    Lincoln project has a new ad up with Cindy McCain endorsing Joe Biden.

  51. Teve says:

    (CNN)Judge Amy Coney Barrett initially failed to disclose two talks she gave in 2013 hosted by two anti-abortion student groups on paperwork provided to the Senate ahead of her confirmation hearing to become the next Supreme Court justice.

    Barrett, President Donald Trump’s nominee to succeed Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, gave the talks — a lecture and a seminar — in 2013 in her capacity as a law professor at the University of Notre Dame. The seminar was co-sponsored by the school’s Right to Life club and constitutional studies minor, and the lecture was held by the law school’s Jus Vitae club. CNN’s KFile found advertisements for two lectures on social media and in a weekly Notre Dame faculty newsletter.
    Late on Friday night, hours after this story published, the Senate Judiciary Committee released a supplemental update to Barrett’s committee questionnaire that includes the lecture and seminar, as well as a paid advertisement she signed that criticized Roe v. Wade and reaffirmed support for Notre Dame’s “commitment to the right to life.” The release came after CNN asked the White House about the advertisement earlier on Friday.
    It is not known what was said in the two events, though both centered on abortion court cases. In a separate instance, CNN’s KFile found a publicized talk that Barrett gave to coincide with the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade — a seminar Barrett disclosed in her Senate paperwork — was removed by the university from YouTube in 2014. A school spokesman told CNN the video is now lost.

    an innocent oversight, I’m sure.

  52. MarkedMan says:


    They hate most Republicans,

    I’ve been wondering just what the Post Trump landscape will look like for Republicans. It seems pretty clear that for the most part people who despise Trump have come to despise Republicans as much or more. But I don’t know that the 90% of the Republican Party that love them some Donald will bother to get out and vote for a generic Repub.

  53. CSK says:

    But…but didn’t Trump proclaim that we could all sleep well because the nuclear threat from North Korea was ended??????

  54. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    I would suspect the princess as well, but Jr won’t give up w/o a fight.

  55. CSK says:

    Ozark Hillbilly:

    You called it almost exactly right when you predicted Trump’s rant would last only 20 minutes. The Associated Press said it went for 18 minutes.

    Clearly he couldn’t stand up any longer than that.

    First thing he did was rip off his mask.

  56. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Bill: Not too sure what I will write next but it will be something back on Earth.

    Considering how how out of this world your imagination is, I’m not sure if that would work. 😉

  57. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: That is their SOP. And most people will just give up. In my own case I tore up my hand on the job due to some “unsafe working conditions.” The company I worked for tried to do the old bait and switch off having me see their insurance companies doctor, who for some reason or other came to the conclusion that I could go back to work immediately after a 15 second examination. My doctor did NOT concur. He thought I would need 6 weeks to recover.*

    One phone call from my union business rep settled the issue.

    *as it turned out, my Doc was wrong. It never fully recovered. For most it would not have been an issue, but for a carpenter… At the end of my days I had a lot of pain. Eventually it and an accumulation of other abuses forced me out.

  58. Teve says:

    @CSK: I came here to comment about that. Trump’s rallies usually lasted an hour and a half. 18 minutes? He’s not healthy.

  59. CSK says:

    Nope. He isn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised if he collapsed as soon as he was inside and out of sight.

  60. Mu Yixiao says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    I’ve worked with probably a couple hundred locals from a half-dozen or more national unions across the US and Canada. I’ve been a (proud) member of two and represented by a third (I had no choice).

    I’ve worked with great unions that were focused on training and protecting their members. I’ve also dealt with unions that were little more than mob extortion rackets*. “Union” isn’t a magic society that makes everything fair and lovely. There are good unions and there are bad unions. There are situations where a union will help and there are situations where a union will hurt.

    An online forum isn’t the place to debate the topic. But if you’re ever around Madison, WI, we can sit down over a few beers and get into it.

    * Road crew: We need 2 hands for 4 hours. We’ll probably be done in 3.
    Local: You’ll pay 8 hands for 7 hours or there won’t be a show.

    8 shows x 20k tickets x $10/ticket = $1.6M (not including concessions)

    Ask me about getting my book in Michigan. Or needing a screwdriver at the Krannert Center.

  61. Kathy says:

    How about that. Trump the King of the Covidiots scored a major endorsement from the Taliban

  62. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: I’m not surprised. Covid is an asskicker. No way a person who is still testing positive could hold up for an hour, especially not Waddles.

  63. Mu Yixiao says:

    I am asking for any good thoughts, prayers, booze, drugs, and competent therapists you can spare.

    I’m starting a 10-part series of articles attempting to explain the Bill of Rights to my newspaper readers.

    I live in a “solid-purple” part Wisconsin.

    I’m doomed.

  64. Teve says:

    Just put on my second batch of Doro Wat. Nummy nummy.

  65. Mister Bluster says:
  66. CSK says:

    Most of the attendees at Trump’s short rant this afternoon were POC, according to CNN.

  67. Mister Bluster says:

    Here are CNN’s photos

  68. Teve says:

    @CSK: @Mister Bluster: do you see all those people wearing blue shirts that say BLEXIT?

    Candace Owens’s BLEXIT group paid some of them to be there

  69. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mu Yixiao: Unionization is certainly a mixed bag, but that’s true of almost any enterprise that involves working with humans. Back in the 70s, I was almost hired by a consultant who broke union contracts as a business. (His enterprise didn’t grow in the way he was hoping and turned out not to need additional people.) He often noted that companies that were willing to deal with their employees as people rather than as production units could break union hold, but that the biggest obstacle for companies was that most deserved organizers coming in.

    But ill-serving unions eventually started prevailing–at least where I’ve lived–and managed to corrupt the environment so that workers now are routinely screwed without recourse to systems that can improve their lot.

    TL/DR: You probably wouldn’t want to reminisce with me on this kind of a topic–and it the bar would have to have hard liquor as I’m not a beer/wine guy.

  70. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mu Yixiao: I wouldn’t think that explaining the Bill of Rights in a “solid-purple” part of Wisconsin would be any more difficult than anywhere else. You’ll have levels of polarization related to what you say corresponding to the mix that makes the purple, but that’s gonna happen anywhere.

    Sure, if “I’m doomed” means that some are going to disagree with whatever version of the Bill of Rights you choose to tout, you’re certainly correct. Still, I offer you my best wishes.

  71. Gustopher says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    You’ll have levels of polarization related to what you say corresponding to the mix that makes the purple, but that’s gonna happen anywhere.

    Even the deep red or deep blue areas have 30% going the other way.

    They may be stupid people with shitty values, but they’re also our neighbors.

    I don’t know if that makes civil war more or less likely… which is a more powerful motivator, “Freedom!” or “He needs to trim his bushes that are encroaching on the sidewalk!”

  72. Teve says:

    So, this happened.

    (Lauren Witzke is a Republican candidate for Senate in Delaware)


    Most Third World migrants cannot assimilate into civil societies.

    Prove me wrong.


    “Third World” refugee here. I have a PhD in English and I won a Pulitzer Prize in fiction. What have you done?


    racists are the dumbest A-holes walking the planet.

    Prove me wrong

  73. dazedandconfused says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    Looking at those pics spawned an idea in my noggin.

    Given Emperor Tang’s penchant for grandiosity, should he lose this election it would seem fitting if an effort was made to crowd-source the funding for these guys to write “LOSER!” over MarALago at some point after. A golfing afternoon, perhaps.,will%20give%20you%20maximum%20awareness.

  74. Jax says:

    @dazedandconfused: I would donate to “You’re Fired” over the White House and Mar A Lago every day until Inauguration Day. 🙂

  75. DrDaveT says:


    They’ll raise salaries after the election – but only if Trump wins.

    Um, isn’t buying votes illegal?

  76. DrDaveT says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    I am asking for any good thoughts, prayers, booze, drugs, and competent therapists you can spare.

    Instead of quibbling with your post about unions good and bad, I will send some positive waves your way. Go get ’em. Save the 2nd for last, is my advice.

  77. Bob@Youngstown says:

    The bandages on the back of Trump’s right hand are highly suggestive that he may be getting IV’s while claiming to be sans-medication.

  78. Bob@Youngstown says:

    Dang, can’t get the edit function!
    here is the link to possible infusion site

  79. Gustopher says:

    @DrDaveT: The 2nd Amendment is one of those times where teaching the controversy is the right way to go. Along with how it has been interpreted over the years, and why we are neither restricted to front-loading muskets nor allowed to possess weapons of mass destruction.

  80. Kurtz says:


    That was the first time I laid eyes on Meloni’s Twitter. That is a lot of awesome in one screen grab.

  81. Teve says:


    NEW @ABC/@washingtonpost national poll (Likely voters, MoE 4%)

    Biden: 54% (+12)
    Trump: 42%

    Among men
    Biden: 48%
    Trump: 48%

    Among women
    Biden: 59% (+23)
    Trump: 36%

  82. Teve says:

    @Kurtz: if you’re on Twitter, you need to be following Chris Meloni. He’s pretty good.

  83. de stijl says:


    I always buy at least a t-shirt. Well 8 times out of ten anyway.

    I have a lot of t-shirts.

  84. de stijl says:


    Meloni and Elias Koteas should manufacture a beef and have an Instagram Twitter war.

    I swear those two are twins.

  85. DrDaveT says:


    Among men
    Biden: 48%
    Trump: 48%

    It is sometimes intensely embarrassing to be male. I’m reminded of the verse from the song “Sister Suffragette”, from Mary Poppins:
    Though we adore men individually,
    As a group, you must admit,
    They’re ra-ther stu-pid.

  86. Geoff Webb says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Ronald Reagan fired this outlaw, now in control of America’s public lands. Scandal must be stopped!

  87. de stijl says:

    My feet got antsy today and I ended up doing a 5 mile walk. Usually I do a 2-3 mile walk.

    Today was northwest.

    I saw zero Trump signs. I saw fifty or sixty Biden / Harris signs. Not lying, I saw no Trump signs whatsoever.

    This is a 60 – 40 to maybe 70 – 30 D neighborhood. I would expect the same split in signs, but no.


    That strikes me as quite odd and remarkable.

    At least 35% are presumably Trump voters / supporters and yet not one plants a yard sign?

    The absence was remarkable.