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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Rest easy kiddies, Christmas is a go:

    Children around the world should not worry about the logistics of Christmas present delivery while the coronavirus pandemic rages, Dr Anthony Fauci said – because he vaccinated Santa himself.

    “I took care of that for you,” the top US infectious diseases expert told CNN. “Because I was worried that you’d all be upset.

    “So what I did a little while ago, I took a trip up there to the North Pole. I went there and I vaccinated Santa Claus myself. I measured his level of immunity, and he is good to go. He can come down the chimney. He can leave the presents, he can leave, and you have nothing to worry about. Santa Claus is good to go.”

    He doesn’t mention vaccinating the Elves. Why is it nobody ever thinks of the Elves? What those guys need is a union.

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  2. Gustopher says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    He doesn’t mention vaccinating the Elves. Why is it nobody ever thinks of the Elves?

    The elves cannot catch it. They are half-human and half-reindeer, and the fewer questions asked the happier everyone will be.

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  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Gustopher: That’s what Republicans say. 🙁

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  4. CSK says:

    You have to read this yourselves. I haven’t consumed sufficient coffee yet to synopsize it:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/us/politics/trump-sidney-powell-voter-fraud.html

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  5. Sleeping Dog says:

    We’re at the strawberries and marbles moment…

    Powell, Flynn, oy vey

    We’ll be very lucky to get to 1/20 w/o even greater damage to the country and its interests.

    If Russia wants to grab the Baltics and Ukraine or China, Taiwan, now’s the time

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  6. Mikey says:

    @CSK: You know how Trump has been playing golf for decades and has never really gotten any better at it? The same is true of his term as President. You’d think after nearly four years, someone as genius as he claims he is would have picked up on the most basic aspects of what is and isn’t Constitutional, but no, he still wanted to do half a dozen things any American middle school student who watched 10 minutes of Schoolhouse Rock could tell you aren’t allowed.

    31 days until this boil on America’s ass finally gets lanced.

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  7. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Even Giuliani now seems to think Powell is nuts.

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  8. CSK says:

    @Mikey:

    He doesn’t/can’t read. He refuses to sit still for briefings. He’s told us repeatedly he “goes by what his gut tells him.” He’s literally incapable of learning.

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  9. CSK says:

    @Mikey:
    And speaking of asses, the only thing about Trump that’s grown in office is his.

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  10. Sleeping Dog says:

    @CSK:

    Hades, trump fired her. The only reason to appoint her special counsel is to ratf#ck the country. It will be interesting to see if Rosen folds on this or how many acting AG’s there are before trump finds his Bork.

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  11. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: His gut tells him he wants another Bic Mac.

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  12. Mikey says:

    In news that will surprise absolutely nobody:

    White House Blocks a Statement Acknowledging Russia’s Role in Cyberattack

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  13. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Not meaning to split hairs, but Trump’s campaign fired her. Obviously, she was too crazy for them, but not too crazy for him.

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  14. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Supersize that, please.

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  15. CSK says:

    And now for some comic relief:

    http://www.rawstory.com/melania-christmas/

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  16. Sleeping Dog says:

    @CSK:

    I stand corrected :), but it really is a difference without a differentiation.

    That trump is doubling down on staying in office raises the question, why? A few thoughts.

    1. He’s been convinced that he can’t pardon himself. The supremes won’t uphold it.

    2. He doesn’t trust Pence to follow through and pardon him, if he resigns.

    3. Without the pardon, he knows that he faces jail time. While we wonder and doubt that Biden will actively pursue an investigation of Trump, Trump can’t believe that he won’t.

    4. If he resigns with or without a pardon, it makes his, running in 24, scenario less tenable and will make it more difficult to hold on to keep fleecing the cult.

    5. He knows he can’t live at Mar-a-Lago, the neighbors will fight it.

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  17. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Yes. Any and all of those things could be motivating him. It’s also possible that he enjoys being president for the following reasons:
    1. It’s an easy, easy job, consisting of rage-Tweeting and watching t.v. all day, with at least two days per week on the golf course.
    2. He’s addicted to attention, and now he’s the most famous person in the world. The spotlight is on him every single day.
    3. He can fleece the rubes to his heart’s content.

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  18. CSK says:

    More on how “the crazies are turning on the crazier” in the Trump administration:

    http://www.nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/trump-coup-sidney-powell-martial-law-michael-flynn-meltdown.html

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  19. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    @CSK:
    Judas Iscariot on flaming roller skates.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit shooting heroin.

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  20. Teve says:
  21. gVOR08 says:

    @CSK:

    1. It’s an easy, easy job, consisting of rage-Tweeting and watching t.v. all day, with at least two days per week on the golf course.

    But we’re prevented from prosecuting him by an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that was based on the idea he’s vital to the nation and the nation’s work keeps him so busy that any distraction would harm the country. The opinion also depends on the idea that he’s not therefore above the law because he can be prosecuted later, after he leaves office. So let’s demonstrate we actually believe in the rule of law and prosecute his lazy, stupid, and capacious, arse.

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  22. Kathy says:

    @CSK:

    One fine day Fred Trump calls his son into see him.

    “What’s with your lousy grades, dumbass,” Fred says lovingly. “Are you ignorant or apathetic?”

    “I don’t know, dad, “One-Term Loser says, ” and I don’t give a damn!”

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  23. Teve says:

    @noupside

    Anti-vaccine activists are currently brigading the social media account of a hospital where a nurse who fainted after her COVID-19 shot works. They’re claiming she died, the hospital is covering it up, and they are demanding proof of life.

    I have an epidemiologist friend who has passed out from shots before. It’s just vasovagal syncope. You’re perfectly fine in 10-15 mins.

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  24. Michael Reynolds says:

    I present a Grand Unified Theory of Trumpism. There is a single word that encompasses virtually every Trumpist: Loser.

    1) Males have lost their special status. Losers.
    2) Whites are losing ground in terms of status. Losers.
    3) Christians have lost ground to secularists. Losers.
    4) Rural and small town America is emptying out. Losers.
    5) Rolling legalization of drugs and protests against police brutality have weakened law enforcement. Losers.
    6) Strong, forward-looking corporations are D, Coal, heavy manufacturing is R. Losers.
    7) The education gap between college and non-college is widening. Losers.
    8) And of course age, as always, loses to youth. Losers.

    Losers. That’s who supports Trump. Democrats have a hard time seeing this because we encompass so many out groups who see themselves as losers. But in relative terms they can easily be seen as winners. And the socialist bent of many Democrats blinds them to the division within the business community. Amazon may be nasty to their employees, but the fact is they are on the blue team.

    The love of losers extends to passivity in response to Russia, because there is no greater loser in the western world than Russia. And hatred for the Chinese, who are looking like geopolitical winners.

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  25. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Michael Reynolds: 7) The education gap between college and non-college is widening. Losers.

    “I love the less educated.”

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  26. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Please. That would be: “I love the poorly educated.”

    Trump is one of the few people who can grossly insult his fans to their faces, and they’ll love it and come back for more.

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  27. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Dammit! Figures I’d get it wrong.

    eta: I’m pretty sure they think it’s a compliment.

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  28. Teve says:

    @CSK: when Trump said, “I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters”, he wasn’t complimenting them…

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  29. Northerner says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    My impression, at least as a foreigner, is that a lot of Trump’s supporters are simply grifters who see a way of making a fast buck by selling out the country. You could say they’re losers in the morality department, but they seem to be doing pretty well in the financial department.

    For instance, a lot of the analysis I’ve seen claims that most of the Republicans in Congress and Senate who publicly support Trump will say in private that he’s an idiot — but they see an advantage to themselves in pretending otherwise. And I can think of a lot of words to describe the GOP senate leader (mostly centering around cynical and willing to harm his country for personal gain), but I’m not sure “loser” applies (at least not in the normal sense of the world).

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  30. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Northerner:
    You’re talking about the parasites and predators who feed on the weak. The weak antelope attracts the attention of the lioness. The sick antelope invites disease. The dead antelope is home to maggots. But the initiating event is the antelope’s weakness.

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  31. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Northerner:
    Or to put it another way, the problem is not the cult leader but the cult members. This is what scared me on election day 2016 and still scares me, not the predators and parasites like Trump or Mitch, but the 74 million losers so depraved that they joined that parade.

    There are exactly three ways out of this. 1) The losers rise up and throw down the winners. 2) The winners crush the losers. 3) The losers settle into a morass of impotent self-pity.

    My guess is option 3. The thing about losers is that they expect to lose. They are secretly most content in self-pity. Losers tend not to be terribly active or determined, which is of course one reason why they’re losers. And fortunately for us the guy who’d love to turn the losers into his own private army is himself is lazy, unfocused, emotional, paranoid and stupid. IOW: a loser.

    74 million Americans voted for this weak-ass loser, but how many actually show up at the angry protests in defense of the Loser in Chief? Handfuls.

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  32. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Which is weird, given that Trump is partial to boasting about his “Ivy League degree.”
    @Teve:
    The poor things don’t understand that Trump is rabidly contemptuous of them, as only a failed social climber can be.

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  33. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: He’s boasting that he is better than them, and they don’t seem capable of understanding that.

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  34. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Maybe it becomes comprehensible if you look at it in these terms: They regard Trump as their savior, and saviors are always superior to those they save.

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  35. Kylopod says:

    @Teve:

    @CSK: when Trump said, “I Could Stand In the Middle Of Fifth Avenue And Shoot Somebody And I Wouldn’t Lose Any Voters”, he wasn’t complimenting them…

    Of course. And yet they loved him even more when he said it, because they live vicariously through him and his “owning of the libs” as they see it.

    Remember, the term for Limbaugh fans, “dittoheads,” wasn’t a term invented by Limbaugh’s critics to insult them, it was a term the fans themselves coined as a proud self-descriptor.

    There’s no shame within a cult from being a devoted cult member; quite the contrary.

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  36. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Undoubtedly photoshopped, but who cares? Who’s going to get an “Official” WH Christmas Card that isn’t going to roundfile it before the tinsel garlands have been taken off the tree and stored?

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  37. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    “So let’s demonstrate we actually believe in the rule of law and prosecute his lazy, stupid, and capacious, arse.”

    Not gonna happen. And “rule of law” is a slogan, not a belief. Just like “fiscal restraint” and “limited government.”

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  38. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Presumably the Trumpkins would be thrilled to find them in their mailboxes (you should have seen the ecstatic response the image got over on Lucianne.com). Pity they won’t be receiving any.

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  39. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: My point exactly. 😉

    “Amazon may be nasty to their employees, but the fact is they are on the blue team.” Which is why I’m not inclined to believe the blue team is going to do anymore toward addressing economic inequality than the red team does. Corporatocracy forever!

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  40. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Capitalism is like gravity, there’s no getting rid of it.

    Capitalism works because it is good anthropology, it understands human beings as they are, not as an elite wishes they were. Communism was and is absurd and doomed to fail because it begins from the premise that human beings will sacrifice for a common good and set aside their own needs for status. That’s not what humans are. In that sense communism is like pacifism, an idealistic notion that crashes and burns once you recognize that it relies on humans behaving. Capitalism OTOH relies on the facts: humans are selfish, greedy and determined to rise in status. And humans are differentiated, we aren’t clones, we have individual levels of ability.

    Human greed and hunger for status combined with differing levels of ability means that homo sapiens produces its own parasites and predators. This is us. It’s always been us. It will always be us. Any system hoping to supplant capitalism will have to be even more in tune with fundamental human nature.

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  41. Kylopod says:

    @Michael Reynolds: Nobody in the conversation right now, not even Bernie or AOC, is trying to get rid of capitalism.

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  42. Michael Cain says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    He’s boasting that he is better than them, and they don’t seem capable of understanding that.

    Of course they do. The man’s a billionaire who lives in gilded penthouses. Flies around the world in his own jet (before Air Force One). But he’s willing to tell them what they want to hear. “The world used to be a better place for you! It was <take your choice: whiter; more Main Street friendly; a man could make a living with a high-school diploma>! We can turn the clock back! I can turn the clock back!”

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  43. Teve says:

    The Asatru Folk Assembly — White-supremacist nordic pagans — now have a church in Minnesota.

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  44. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    If I saw the name Asatru Folk Assembly in passing, I might assume it was a dance troupe.

    And I would be wrong.

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  45. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Kylopod:

    Nobody in elective office is looking to supplant capitalism, but they’re among the supporters of Bernie and AOC etc. Periodically, I wander over to Naked Capitalism to see what’s being discussed there. There is a fair amount of discussion about some sort of post-capitalist nirvana, sometimes in a main post, but often in the comments.

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  46. Kylopod says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Nobody in elective office is looking to supplant capitalism, but they’re among the supporters of Bernie and AOC etc. Periodically, I wander over to Naked Capitalism to see what’s being discussed there. There is a fair amount of discussion about some sort of post-capitalist nirvana, sometimes in a main post, but often in the comments.

    So?

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  47. Teve says:

    NATIONAL REVIEW

    DECEMBER 31, 2020, ISSUE

    Disgrace after Defeat

    By RICH LOWRY
    & RAMESH PONNURU
    December 17, 2020 9:10 AM

    It had long been obvious that if Trump lost the election, his exit would be graceless.

    It was hard to see him conceding defeat in any circumstance, even if he got buried in a landslide. Having flouted norms throughout his presidency, there was no way that he would begin honoring them on his way out the door. Given to insulting his opponents and complaining of unfairness in the best of circumstances, he wasn’t going to find resources of classiness hitherto not in evidence.

    Yet Trump hasn’t even managed to clear the low bar of realistic expectations for his post-election conduct. Even before the counting had ended, he declared himself the winner by a landslide. He spread rank disinformation on his Twitter account every day and pursued lawsuits that sought, based on the thinnest of justifications, to throw out millions of votes and invalidate state elections. He lobbied Republican officials to refuse to certify results and to award him the electors in states he lost, and failed only because the Republicans knew such acts would be a gross violation of the public trust at best and illegal at worst.

    All in all, it’s the worst thing he’s done in his presidency and the worst exit of a defeated president in U.S. history, an effort that is not less infamous for being incompetent and risible.

    Vote fraud is a serious offense against democracy and the law, and should be combated as such. But the Trump team and its allies have not been able to provide evidence of widespread illegal activity despite an intense, indeed fevered, search for it. While the rhetoric of Trump’s lawyers has emphasized a fraudulent, stolen election, the arguments in court typically haven’t been about alleged fraud at all. They have focused on changes in procedures prior to the election, disparities in how counties handled absentee ballots, and the distance Republican observers were kept from the counting — none of which has come close to supporting the drastic remedies Trump has sought.

    Trump was clearly preparing the ground for his fraud allegations prior to the election. His obsessive attacks on mail-in voting were out of proportion to the threat such voting represented. Yes, mail-in voting is less secure than in-person voting. Yes, some states were ill prepared to handle the tsunami of mail-in ballots. But the states that have long had robust mail-in voting programs, such as Colorado, Utah, and Oregon, haven’t experienced widespread fraud.

    In eschewing vote by mail, Trump created an even heavier political lift for himself by urging his voters to vote only in-person, thus kicking away an opportunity to bank votes and requiring a massive same-day turnout to overcome what Democrats had been building over the course of weeks. If a quarter of the Georgia Republicans who cast absentee ballots in the primary but didn’t vote at all in the fall election had instead voted by mail, Trump would have won the state. By contrast, in Florida, where Trump won more comfortably than he did in 2016, the state GOP didn’t discourage voting by mail. In the Georgia runoffs for Senate, even Trump has urged people to vote by mail.

    Trump’s attacks on mail-in voting were useful, however, in enabling him to discredit the election. The politicization of voting methods meant that same-day ballots would be heavily Trump while absentee ballots would skew Democratic. The fact that key states counted the same-day ballots first created the impression of a Trump lead that got overtaken in the dead of the night or in the days after the election. If the order of the counting had been reversed, Biden would have established an early lead that steadily eroded but never disappeared.

    But that’s not the way the count went. And the misleading impression created by the sequencing of it in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is still, so many weeks later, one of the Trump team’s chief arguments that the election was stolen.

    That Trump would look for a way to undermine the legitimacy of a loss should have been obvious from the 2016 campaign, when he promised, with characteristic frankness, to accept the result “if I win.” Even after winning, he made ludicrous charges about how wide­spread illegal voting had cheated him of a victory in the popular vote, just as he had after defeats in the primary.

    His post-election argument this time has been a magnified version of past practice. He has shown even more of the indifference to the Constitution, the rule of law, and simple logical consistency that has marked his political career. He claims to be defending the integrity of U.S. elections, even as he demands that state legislatures ignore the laws they have passed and judges ignore federal statutory deadlines concerning the appointment of electors. His lawyers, meanwhile, advance half-baked theories that would enable state governments to use federal courts to interfere with one another’s election procedures: something that has never before been done, or really even contemplated.

    The failure of this post-election campaign has not made it costless. Trump has encouraged millions of voters to believe that their votes do not count toward election results. He has sent them on a hunt for participants in a nonexistent conspiracy against the public. He has directed scorn and rage at state officials, including Republi­cans who backed him loyally, whose sin has been to follow the law instead of indulging him. And he has set a terrible precedent for future elections, especially ones that turn out closer than this one did.

    Republicans who have not been willing to parrot his claim of a landslide victory have generally not contradicted it, either. Instead they have resorted to offering one shabby excuse after another for the president’s conduct. They say, for example, that he has every right to make his case in court, a claim that runs against decades of more sensible statements from Republicans about the evils of frivolous litigation. A president ought to have less leeway to abuse the courts than a fast-food patron scalded by hot coffee.

    Or they say that Trump and his supporters have raised important questions. In many cases that is an ex­tremely charitable assessment: There is no important or even interesting question about Hugo Chávez’s ability to manipulate vote totals from the grave, for example. In other cases, the questioners refuse to listen to the answers. Take the widely broadcast claim that turnout in Milwaukee jumped suspiciously from 71 percent in 2012, when Obama was on the ticket, to 85 percent with Biden this year. The Republican National Committee spread that one — and didn’t correct the record when it was shown that turnout in 2012 was actually 87 percent, and therefore hadn’t risen at all. The lawsuits don’t merely ask questions, anyway: They request action, typically in the form of throwing out the ballots of thousands of law-abiding voters.

    Another quasi-defense of Trump has been that many of his opponents refused to recognize the legitimacy of his election, too, and set out to undermine his new administration with investigations. That’s true. But this was not behavior to emulate, and Trump has exceeded it. Barack Obama did not delay the transition, let alone attack other Democrats for allowing it to proceed. Neither he nor Hillary Clinton urged state legislators to override their states’ voters.

    Al Gore came closer to winning the 2000 election than Trump did this year, and put up a political and legal fight. But he didn’t spread conspiracy theories, urge that officials be put in jail for refusing to back his effort, or file dozens of lawsuits that got laughed out of court. Trump has plumbed new depths.

    Of course, well before he became president, Trump had demonstrated that he does not care about truth, the viability of the political system, or even the Republican Party. He had shown an attraction to conspiracy theories of all kinds. (The Venezuelan–Serbian plot to steal the 2020 election isn’t any crazier than the notion that Ted Cruz’s father participated in the assassination of JFK.) In 2015, responding to criticism from NR, Trump explained his method on TV: “I keep whining and whining until I win.” It turns out not to be a surefire strategy.

    Through much of this, most elected Republicans followed their habit of keeping their heads down. This reflex started as an understandable, and probably prudent, decision. After he won in 2016, Trump was going to be president no matter what. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell doubtless figured that inveighing against him wouldn’t accomplish anything, while there were opportunities for fruitful cooperation and chances to steer him away from grievous mistakes behind the scenes. But this posture hardened into an unwillingness by most congressional Republicans to criticize Trump on much of anything unless the provocation was intolerable (e.g., Trump’s preposterous discussion with Putin in 2017 of starting a joint cybersecurity unit). Republicans got used to running away from reporters in the halls of Capitol Hill to avoid having to say anything about Trump’s latest outlandish tweet.

    Their fear of Trump — of his ability to mobilize a lot of their own voters against them with one tweet or statement — was well founded. In the old days, it could take years for a president to exact re­venge on a member of his own party as he recruited an opponent in a primary, sent his operatives to work the race, etc. In contrast, Trump could mete out pain in a 280-character burst, sometimes diminishing his targets instantly.

    This fear became only more intense as Trump whipped up passions about a stolen election, and so Republicans held their tongues even when the president began to actively and explicitly seek to overturn an election result not to his liking. He always said they were weak, and too many of them proved him right.

    It’s not surprising that Trump would disgrace himself after an election loss; it is remarkable that he’s done it this grotesquely, and with so many who should know better effectively aiding and abetting him.

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  48. dazedandconfused says:

    I don’t think Trump gets his due as the GOAT of con-men. I struggle to find anyone who deserves to be in the same sentence with him. Election to POTUS as both buffoon and shameless liar would be enough to earn the title, but losing the office in disgrace and STILL milking $200 million-and-counting from his marks? I doff my hat to unmatched greatness.

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  49. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Michael Reynolds: Oh, I absolutely get that. But it’s still why I’m not inclined to believe that team blue fights for the interests of the citizenry any more than team red does. They’re probably less offensive to your sensibilities–not a high bar to jump in the age of Trump–but it’s still all “government by our betters” with “better” being scaled materially. I got no problem with it, but I hold equity in the economy, so the leaders are going to do what’s “best” for me no matter who it is. The rest is window dressing.

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  50. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    The grotesqueness doesn’t surprise me in the least.

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  51. JohnSF says:

    @CSK:
    But imagine the possibilities for amusement as a fat daft nordic nazi attempts a paso doble

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  52. Teve says:

    Kristen_arnett

    what’s something extremely bizarre you believed as a very young child? i definitely thought that any cheese that had holes in it was caused by mice who lived inside it

    there are some funny replies

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  53. gVOR08 says:

    @Teve: My gawd, Trump’s behavior is so outrageous it’s shocked Rich Lowry into near rationality. Now, if he and Ponnuru could get ahold of the idea it ain’t just Trump…

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  54. CSK says:

    @Teve:
    Gee, when I was a really little kid I thought that if I swallowed an apple seed, a little tree would grow in my stomach. You mean to tell me that doesn’t happen?

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  55. CSK says:

    @JohnSF:
    That is not a mental image that I wish to entertain.

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  56. Teve says:

    ETA oops wrong website 😛

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  57. JohnSF says:

    Oh dear.
    UK govt. announces serious increase of lockdown restrictions due to new virus mutation.
    France shuts down the the Dover crossings. Oh oh.

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  58. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Michael Cain: what I should have said is they don’t have the self respect to say, “No you aren’t.” Literally, they have zero self respect. He lies lies and lies to them and in unison they all say, “Thank you sir, tell me another.” I don’t get it. I really don’t get it. We all tell ourselves little lies, and accept the convenient obfuscations from others, but he pisses all over them and they are happy to call it rain.

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  59. JohnSF says:

    @JohnSF:
    And Johnson may attend a COBR emergency meeting tomorrow.
    If the lazy fat fuck has sobered up and can be got back from Chequers where he’s doubtless buggered off to for the weekend.
    Am I annoyed? Perhaps even a tad peeved?
    Perhaps.

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  60. CSK says:

    @JohnSF:
    Awful.

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  61. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Teve: RICH LOWRY
    & RAMESH PONNURU

    I’d take this a lot more seriously if these 2 hadn’t been carrying water for him the past 4 years.

    A president ought to have less leeway to abuse the courts than a fast-food patron scalded by hot coffee.

    And just for the record, the woman had 3rd degree burns.

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  62. Teve says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: yeah. I spent years working in half a dozen coffee shops. You don’t give someone 190° coffee through a drive-through window. Especially after 700+ customers already complained about getting burned. But, stupid conservative talking point that’ll never die.

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  63. flat earth luddite says:

    @CSK:

    If I saw the name Asatru Folk Assembly in passing, I might assume it was a dance troupe

    No, no, no. You’ve merely not recognized their stumbling around, espousing hatred for [others] as the best dance these graceless oafs can perform in public. Now, under cover of night, it’s likely to be a whole nuther thing.

    @JohnSF:
    If they weren’t so reminiscent of most of my male relatives (to my chagrin, I come from people whose menfolk mostly failed the “loot & pillage, THEN burn” pop quiz), I’d be angry about the whole Nordic meme surrounding them. But then again, I KNOW that I’m wrong to imagine them dancing at the end of a rope.

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  64. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Teve: But, stupid conservative talking point that’ll never die.

    Yeah, after so many years, that one is really tiresome. Gotta get my bitch on.

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  65. Teve says:

    @KevinMKruse

    I just discovered that a guy who blocked me two years ago has been repeatedly tweeting that I’m a hypocrite — because my parents sent me to a very conservative high school and yet I act like I’m some kind of liberal today.

    Oh my God, I cannot stop laughing.

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  66. Teve says:
  67. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Everything is by your betters. Government is by your betters, but so is the military, Wall Street, the professors at your university, the media, music, entertainment, medicine, architecture, the manager at your job. . .

    This is the human condition and always has been. It comes with specialization. There is a hierarchy of ability and skill.

    And this is a good thing. The problem we have right now is that government is by our lessers. We want a meritocratic hierarchy. I hope my doctor and lawyer know more than I do.

    But you’re wrong that Democrats don’t care any more than Republicans do. We do genuinely give a fuck. Only Democrats vote to impoverish themselves for the greater good. That’s not just a difference in degree, it’s a difference in kind. I’ve personally voted away tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars. We are not them.

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  68. Teve says:

    @crampell

    Horses that reportedly got traded today: Repubs demanded tax break for corporate meal expenses (“three martini lunches”). Dems agreed, in exchange for expanded tax credits for low income families & working poor
    Pretty much sums up the parties’ priorities

    White House secures “three martini lunch” provision in draft of coronavirus relief bill

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  69. DrDaveT says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And just for the record, the woman had 3rd degree burns.

    Yes, but now we know that tort reform can safely be added to the list of conservative “principles” they only espouse when it benefits them.

    I once had the “honor” of working on drafting implementing regulations for a piece of back door tort reform hidden inside the Homeland Security Act. Working with the oh-so-credentialed attorney’s from W’s white house gave me an entirely new appreciation for Ivy League Sleaze. They literally didn’t care what the law actually said; they wanted regulations that essentially ignored the Democratic amendments that had enabled the law to be passed in the first place.

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