Most Violent and Murderous Army in U.S. History

When I saw that Sy Hersh asserted in a speech that “there has never been an [American] army as violent and murderous as our army has been in Iraq,” I merely shook my head and considered the source.

Bruce McQuain did a tactical analysis of the alleged atrocity Hersh claims to have witnessed on video tape. Let’s just say he found Hersh’s account highly unlikely.

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Comments

  1. Dave Schuler says:

    Unfortunately, unlikely doesn’t mean didn’t happen. However, Mr. Hersh should put up or shut up, especially considering his frequent use of anonymous sources.

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  3. Mr. Hersh is a deeply wicked and ignorant man.

  4. Anderson says:

    Mr. Hersh is a deeply wicked and ignorant man.

    Okay, fine, but how many circles of hell further down does that put Rumsfeld and Cheney?

    Jeez.

    (The Vietnam-era army is unlikely to lose the atrocity medal any time soon … as for “violent,” quelle horreur! a “violent” army! What new horrors will the Republicans inflict?)

  5. With all due respect. I do not believe that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney are quite so willing as Mr. Hersh to hype nonsense, impugn motives, and blame anybody, much less the US, first for everything that goes wrong in the world. Mr. Hersh lamentably cannot remove his dung-colored glasses long enough to realize that not everything is “Vietnam all over again, man.”

    It is one thing to claim that Mr. Rumsfled and Mr. Cheney don’t understand the facts, have the wrong strategy, etc., and entirely another to claim that they are evil because you don’t agree with them. I took this liberty with Mr. Hersh because he has repeatedly revealed himself to be an anti-American provocateur and propagandist, and, yes, I do regard that as profoundly evil.

  6. Anderson says:

    quite so willing as Mr. Hersh to hype nonsense, impugn motives, and blame anybody, much less the US, first for everything that goes wrong in the world

    You said “deeply wicked and ignorant,” which appears to fit hyping us into a useless and bloody occupation, torturing prisoners, and undermining the rule of law, far better than it fits anything that Hersh has done.

    As it is, it seems you’d prefer that My Lai and Abu Ghraib had gone unreported and unpunished? Hersh at least has virtues to balance against his vices.

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  8. Tano says:

    “I do not believe that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney are quite so willing as Mr. Hersh to hype nonsense, impugn motives, and blame anybody…”

    I think you are living on another planet Charles.

    “…much less the US, first for everything that goes wrong in the world”

    Typical nonsense hyperbole. Any criticism of the policies or actions of the American government are dismissed as being blame for everything in the world. I realize that this is boilerplate on the right, but that doesnt make it any less dishonest or any more compelling.

    “to claim that they are evil because you don’t agree with them”

    The claim that they are evil is because they do evil things, like bringing a terrible chaotic war to a country when it was not necessary to do so.

    Hersh is a courageous, relentless and penetrating critic of American policy. No stable and successful society could survive having too many people like that, but neither would they prosper with too few. People like him play a crucial role in a free society.

  9. Sniper One says:

    The claim that they are evil is because they do evil things, like bringing a terrible chaotic war to a country when it was not necessary to do so.

    1) Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated sixteen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security

    2)Gassing the Kurds

    3) Rape & Torture under Saddam

    Sanctions were not working because of the corruption in the UN. Saddam was getting more and more bold in his rejection to conform to the behavior that the UN Required.

    The was was/is both justified and necessary. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean that it was any less correct to remove Saddam.

  10. Tano, do us all a favor and don’t respond to my posts. Your automatic gainsaying of anything I say is tedious, unimaginative, and, well, stupid. I accept your premise that we both live on different planets, but I’ll let others weigh in on which one of us lives on the planet where the sky is blue.

    Dr. Joyner, if I am our out of line here, I will graciously and humbly beg your pardon and step away from this forum.

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