Saturday’s Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. de stijl says:

    I finally figured out knuckle tattoos last night.

    It needn’t be 4 x 4. It could actually be a 2 x 2.

    3 x 3 would be distracting. Unbalanced. Uncentered. Ugh.

    4 × 2 or 2 × 3 is not something I would ever be comfortable with. Triple ugh. On knuckles I want symmetry. That is a a given. Not negotiable.

    I was monkeying around last night with Icelandic music. Poking and digging to amuse myself. Old Sigur Ros and The Sugarcubes.

    Jonsi has a pretty decent song. Pretty good. Great message. I love the sentiment. I like it.

    I am extraordinarily captured by the title:

    go do

    Very active verbs. Two verbs together. Visually rhyming. A sentiment I heartily approve of. A thing I need to actually follow through on more often. A reminder. A prompt. A totem.

    The song is actually quite good, but it is the combination of those two words that sparked a thought in my head – I had always looked for a 4 × 4 word combo in the past. A “hold fast” or “love hate”, but not that obvious or derivative. Always with the 4 x 4. I was blind.

    I have been sitting on knuckle tattoos for decades waiting for the right combination of two words to hit my brain right. Nothing ever did – too cheesy, too easy. Too forced. Too weird.

    go do

    Extremely simple. Two extremely powerful words. Two letters long.

    I found a way through.

    It fits me in so many ways. Reversed so it reads correctly in a mirror / other people.

    Now, what typeface?

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    ‘A slap in the face’: nurses’ strike signals Kaiser’s end as union haven

    “The partnership has been built on it being a leading payer in the market,” said Adrienne Eaton, dean of the Rutgers School of Management and Labor Relations, who has written about Kaiser. “If they’ve decided not to do that any more, it’s going to cause a strong reaction among the unions.”

    It certainly caused a strong reaction in Semanu Mawugbe, a Kaiser nurse in Los Angeles. “It’s a slap in the face,” he said, noting that the 1%-a-year offer was well below this year’s 5%-plus inflation rate. “They tell us we’re heroes and we’re much appreciated because of everything we did during the pandemic”, he said. “But their offer shows they don’t mean it. We’re the ones who sustained the hospitals and took care of the sick like it’s a war zone.” The unions say Kaiser is seeking to squeeze wages when the non-profit company is doing well, with $45bn in cash reserves and $6.8bn in operating profits the last three years.

    Since Kaiser’s labor-management partnership was founded in 1997, none of its 35 union locals has gone on strike. The partnership includes over 100,000 union members. Kaiser overall has $89bn in annual revenues, 12 million health plan members, 39 hospitals and more than 700 other medical facilities spread across eight states and Washington DC.

    Uh huh, “heroes” my ass. At it’s core, the Empty Words style of management is always hollow of any real meaning. It’s just the same “we’re all family here” bullshit.

    Several labor experts said Kaiser made some elementary bargaining mistakes that were bound to inflame its workers. Kaiser offered just 1%-a-year raise while its largest union, a service employees’ local representing 46,000 Kaiser workers, has a contract that calls for raises of 3% a year over the next two years. Other unions felt shortchanged to be offered less than that. “It does seem like a provocation,” Dean Eaton said.

    Labor experts also said Kaiser’s two-tier proposal to pay new hires significantly less was bound to anger workers and worsen staffing problems. “It generally doesn’t make sense having two tiers of staff and it makes even less sense when we’re going through a pandemic.” said Peter Lazes, former director of the Health Care Transformation Project at Cornell University. “I have to blame management for not being sensitive. It seems hard to understand why they’re doing this when there’s a nursing shortage nationally.”

    2 tier staffing never makes sense. It breeds dissension as those new hires make less doing the same work side by side with those making significantly more. Only an idiot would think it might be a good idea. Unless of course, breeding dissension is the goal.

    Lazes, who has studied Kaiser’s partnership, isn’t so sure that the labor dispute will jeopardize the partnership long-term. “The idea that you’re going to have differences between labor and management partners that might result in a strike or a strike vote is part of the labor-management process,” he said. “Union and management have to know how to dance together and box at the same time.”

    Fire all the MBAs and you will vastly improve your chances.

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    US Olympic gymnast Sunisa Lee has revealed that she was pepper-sprayed in a racist drive-by attack weeks after she won gold in the Tokyo games.

    Lee, 18, was waiting for an Uber in Los Angeles after a night out with a group of friends, who are all of Asian descent. A car sped by and its passengers began yelling anti-Asian slurs and told Lee and her friends to “go back to where they came from”. One passenger sprayed Lee’s arm with pepper spray as the car sped off, said Lee, who became the first Hmong American Olympian and the first Asian American woman to win a gold medal in the all-around gymnastics competition this year.

    “I was so mad, but there was nothing I could do or control because they skirted off,” Lee revealed in a recent interview with PopSugar. “I didn’t do anything to them, and having the reputation, it’s so hard because I didn’t want to do anything that could get me into trouble. I just let it happen,” she added.


  4. Sleeping Dog says:

    1969 Ohio bank robber disappeared to quiet life in Lynnfield, authorities say

    An Ohio man who took inspiration from a popular Steve McQueen movie and robbed a Cleveland bank where he worked more than 50 years ago later vanished and lived under an assumed name in Lynnfield until his death in May, authorities said Friday.

    Life imitating art. Considering that no one was injured or endangered by this caper, can it be considered a win for the little guy? Wondering though, how was he not discovered when going through bankruptcy.

  5. de stijl says:

    Hmong face bias and discrimination even from their countrymen.

    There was this this weird dichotomy when I was a kid. Diaspora from Viet Nam: Hmong refugees settled in St. Paul. Lowland Vietnamese landed in Minneapolis. After the fall.

    I imagine two different social service agencies with different foci did what they did. Ended up creating an unintended solution.

    I went to HS in Mpls and college in St. Paul.

    St. Paul is literally the Hmong diaspora heart.

    There are Hmong gangs. Do not fuck with them and they leave you alone. It looks like ethnical fronting mostly and some protection racket. And drugs.

    There is not a natural affinity between highlanders and lowlanders, it appears to me.

    In no way am I close to being a a decent cultural expert. I might be be seeing it all wrong.

  6. de stijl says:


    Don’ t get me started on MBAs. Bane of my career life.

  7. JohnMcC says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: A niece of mine is a ‘travel nurse’ (a professional, traveling temp) specializing in ER work. She is raking it in.

  8. Sleeping Dog says:
  9. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Wasn’t somebody talking about Chris Christie yesterday, or the day before?

    Chris Christie’s comeback tour will continue next week with publication of a book, Republican Rescue, in which the former New Jersey governor seeks to present himself as the face of the party after Donald Trump, and a plausible contender for the presidential nomination in 2024.

    Such efforts have already seen the one-time presidential candidate clash with Trump, who did not take kindly to Christie warning in a speech in Nevada last weekend: “We can no longer talk about the past and the past elections – no matter where you stand on that issue, no matter where you stand, it is over.”

    In a statement, Trump, who is likely to run again in 2024, claimed Christie was “absolutely massacred by his statements that Republicans have to move on from the past, meaning the 2020 election fraud”.

    Christie then told Axios, in an interview due to run on Sunday, he was “not going to get into a back-and-forth” with the longtime friend he helped prepare for debates with Joe Biden and who nearly made him White House chief of staff.

    But Christie’s book seems guaranteed to anger Trump further.
    Christie left office in New Jersey under the cloud of the Bridgegate payback scandal and with historically low approval. Regardless, he continues to tout his pugnacious Jersey persona – a political proposition roundly rejected by Republican voters in the presidential primary in 2016 – writing that “everyone knows I never pull my punches” and “I call things as I see them”.

    Some observers, however, question Christie’s sincerity in his stand against Trumpism, given his longstanding closeness to Trump.

    His “pugnacious Jersey persona…” is as fake as a 3 dollar bill, and he sure as shit pulled his punches from 2016 thru 2020.

    Eric Boehlert, author of the Press Run newsletter, wrote critically on Friday about a CNN special, Being Chris Christie, due for broadcast on Monday.

    “Today,” Boehlert wrote, “Christie is promoting himself, with the help of CNN, as a brave truth-teller who’s standing up to Trump and his Big Lie about the 2020 election … but Christie may have had the longest delayed conversion to the anti-Trump crowd of any Republican in America.

    “Just last year Christie helped Trump prep for a presidential debate. After watching Trump get impeached, Christie still jumped at the chance to be near the center of power to help the maniac get re-elected …”
    Another Jersey columnist, Alan Steinberg, called Christie “a person of irrepressible ambition, without limits or guard rails … and an essential component of that ambition is an obsessive quest to be relevant”.

    Ambition is at the center of everything Christie does. He’s sold his soul so many times for the sake of it, I have to wonder if there are any willing buyers left for such a used up piece of junk.

  10. CSK says:

    I think Sleeping Dog and I were batting this back and forth on yesterday’s Open Forum.

  11. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Cheryl Rofer

    This is very good.

    Quote Tweet
    · Nov 12
    I am blown away by this COVID vaccine video, one of the coolest things I have seen in a long time

    Pretty cool indeed. Too bad it will make no impression at all on the anti-vaxers.

  12. CSK says:

    And a judge has dismissed Michael Cohen’s suit against Trump.

  13. MarkedMan says:

    [Continuation of a discussion from yesterday]
    @Mu Yixiao:

    Pretty much every new drug, treatment, or diagnostic approach that has been developed in the past 50 years has been first tested on mice.

    Absolutely, since testing in mice is part of the standard path to drug approval. And before that is testing in Petri dishes. So we can say that virtually all drugs released are successful in mice and Petri dishes. My point was that there a many, many drugs that are successful there that ultimately prove ineffective in humans or whose negative side effects outweigh any benefits.

    Some background:

  14. CSK says:

    No, because they’ll doggedly insist that the mRNA alters your DNA.

  15. de stijl says:

    If you want to hear Bjork before she became Bjork check out The Sugarcubes.

    The Icelandic version of Birthday will kick your ass.

    So many good memories of this.

  16. Kurtz says:


    I read those comments and looked into it a bit. It’s a complex issue scientifically; a minefield ethically.

    The bit of reading I did left the impression that animal testing is an issue of inertia rather than efficacy. But my priors about animal welfare lean toward some sort of rights model. It would take a lot more than @Mu Yixiao’s link as it seemed a little light on evidence. But predispositions and all.

  17. de stijl says:


    Good for her. More power to her.

  18. Mu Yixiao says:

    The AMA goes SJW

    Instead of saying, “Low-income people have the highest level of coronary artery disease,” it urges health professionals to substitute this doctrinaire sentence: “People underpaid and forced into poverty as a result of banking policies, real estate developers gentrifying neighborhoods, and corporations weakening the power of labor movements, among others, have the highest level of coronary artery disease.”

    Oh… and certain populations aren’t “vulnerable” to COVID. They’re “oppressed”.

  19. Sleeping Dog says:

    @de stijl:

    And if you want to check out Debbie Harry before Blondie, when she was a brunette.

    Wind in the Willows

  20. MarkedMan says:

    @Kurtz: We are an unfathomable distance away from being able to forego drug testing on animals, unless we are willing to do experimentation directly on humans. Our other models are laughably inadequate and, although work is being done to continuously improve them, we don’t even have a clue as to how to get there.

  21. OzarkHillbilly says:

    ‘I am an American’: how a city official stood firm against an anti-Asian attack

    What happened at the 26 October meeting?

    This particular gentleman who spoke, it wasn’t the first time. During public comment you’re supposed to just listen and let everyone have their first amendment.

    He talked about the fact that I’m from Korea and they saved “my country” so therefore I should feel a certain way. That happened before, I didn’t say anything. That’s why, when it happened again, I just said: “This is my country. I’m an American, and this is my country.” I didn’t need to say anything more.

    The Korean war was 17 years before I was born and we did not come here as war refugees. His comments were based on ignorance and the white savior complex of thinking they went to Asia to save us … and that I owe him something. At every level that is the core of white supremacy.

    Had you thought about how you might respond or was it just an immediate reaction?

    It just came out the way it came out. As an immigrant, you are constantly challenged to prove how American [you are]. This is land that was stolen from Indigenous tribes and built on the backs of slaves and everyone here except those who are native to these lands are immigrants. People of European descent are not questioned about their loyalty or patriotism.

    I just finished reading Unlikely Liberators: The Men of the 100th and 442nd and of course they had to rise above a *whole lot of racist bullshit*. One thing that struck me was the justification for sending them to Europe as opposed to the Pacific was that if Japanese soldiers donned American uniforms they could easily penetrate our lines and nobody would be able to tell them apart from our own soldiers of Japanese descent. Which on the surface makes sense until one wonders why we never worried about the same possibilities with our Caucasian soldiers fighting the Germans.

    ** what those guys went thru in the Vosges Mountains was nothing less than a blood sacrifice on the altar of white supremacy. From the Wiki page:

    That afternoon the American aid stations were crowded with casualties. The 2nd platoon of Company I had only two men left, and the 1st platoon was down to twenty.”[41] On the afternoon of 30 October, 3rd Battalion broke through and reached the 141st, rescuing 211 T-Patchers (the famed Lost Battalion, Texan National Guardsmen who themselves had been stupidly used, OH) at the cost of 800 men in five days. However, the fighting continued for the 442nd as they moved past the 141st. The drive continued until they reached Saint-Die on 17 November when they were finally pulled back. The 100th fielded 1,432 men a year earlier, but was now down to 239 infantrymen and 21 officers. Second Battalion was down to 316 riflemen and 17 officers, while not a single company in 3rd Battalion had over 100 riflemen; the entire 100th/442nd Regimental Combat Team was down to less than 800 soldiers. Earlier (on 13 October) when attached to the 36th Infantry, the unit was at 2,943 riflemen and officers, thus in only three weeks 140 were killed and a further 1,800 had been wounded, while 43 were missing.

  22. de stijl says:


    Not all MBAs are douchebags.

    I have worked with many fine people who held that degree.

    There is a subtype who shows up out of nowhere and proudly declaims he (it’s always a dude) is gonna fundamentally change how we do business.

    “I am a disrupting agent.”

    1. Fuck him
    2. He is profoundly naive

    We have deadlines and deliverables. Help, please, or shut up. If not, everyone is going to ignore you and dismiss you. You will have zero power.

    We have one unified goal. Get busy helping.

    People who self-identify as an MBA – generally a nuisance. People who help make things better and you incidentally find out 7 months later have an MBA are appreciated. Sometimes godsent.

    Not all MBAs are assholes.

    Later in life I ran into a guy who led off the discussion that he was a Wharton School grad. Talked about alpha curves, or beta. I don’t fucking know.

    I seized up. Nope. You might be highly credentialed, but you led off the exchange with that. I do not trust you. You are giving off bad vibes to me. Not getting my business.

  23. MarkedMan says:

    @Mu Yixiao: I’ve always had a problem with the way the medical profession relies way too heavily on correlation rather than admit they don’t have causation. “African Americans are more likely to get heart disease.” How is that in any way useful? Unless it is directly linked to melanin this is just a random statistic. Is it diet? Okay that’s useful. Is it genetic? Okay, we can screen for the genes. If we don’t know? Put on your big boy pants and admit it.

    I suspect screening by race provides no actionable information whatsoever and instead diverts time and resources that could be spent on something useful.

  24. CSK says:

    @de stijl:
    We’ve all encountered a guy who brags about being a Wharton graduate. His name is Donald Trump.

  25. de stijl says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    OMG. That was utter 60s crap. I kept expecting them to break into Puff The Magic Dragon. The male lead singer made me want to shoot myself after shooting them.

    Debbie was the voice that pulled me out of that murderous reverie. That is a really cool find!

    My best Blondie song?



  26. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: They nearly all have some level of douchebaggery indoctrinated into them, the mastering of douchebaggery being a requirement for graduation with many/most of them writing their masters thesis on one form of douchebaggery or another. The amount of DB does vary from one MBA to the next and I suppose it is always possible that there are MBAs in which it is entirely lacking but unfortunately, not in my experience.

    Still, as always, when I make a generalization about a demographic, feel free to insert Jim Wright’s “Emergency Not All” at the beginning, as in, “Not all MBAs are douchebags, but it’s the way to bet.”

    ftr, I have a very good friend from HS days (one of the few) who is an MBA. He’s still a really good guy on some levels, but he was trained in school to think of employees as not really human, just numbers. When he and I get together and dawg forbid the discussion might turn to business, it is cats and dogs.

  27. Sleeping Dog says:

    How Does This End?

    When The Washington Post recently asked Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, when the pandemic would end, she replied: “It doesn’t end. We just stop caring. Or we care a lot less.” She added, “I think for most people, it just fades into the background of their lives.”

    A good article with some recommendations for factors to consider.

  28. Sleeping Dog says:

    @de stijl:

    My best Blondie song?



    Whatever Debbie sang, was mesmerizing. Off I’d go to male fantasy land.

    Actually, I didn’t mind Wind in the Willows, probably because psychedelia was the background music of my youth and I was into bands like Pentangle, The Incredible String Band and Fairport Convention.

    I’m 15-20 years older than you so different influences. I have your reaction to Willow, when I hear 50’s rock

  29. de stijl says:


    I gave my business to Wharton grads assistant. I was her first client. Katie from St. Cates. We bullshitted a bit when I was in the waiting area waiting for slick dude.

    I knew I wanted to invest there, just not with that Wharton guy. Way to slick for me. Nope.

    I’m not much of a client. I rarely do income generating activity. I pretty much suck as a client. Stay as is.

    Katie is now Wharton guy’s peer. She rocks.

    Office as big as his. If you need a personal / investment banker I can hook you up. She kicks ass in a very professional manner.

  30. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Texas principal forced to resign over critical race theory

    A more honest headline would be, “Texas School District Proves that Critical Race Theory is Absolutely Correct”.

    COLLEYVILLE, Texas — The Black principal of a majority-white Texas high school who has been embroiled in a controversy over critical race theory was forced to resign after months of accusations that he indoctrinated students. The Grapevine-Colleyville Independent School District board of trustees voted Monday to part ways with the principal, James Whitfield, who was suspended this year at Colleyville Heritage High School in the Fort Worth area. The school board had voted in September not to renew Whitfield’s contract, NBC Dallas-Forth Worth reported.

    “This is beyond me,” he said in an interview Monday with NBC News. “I’m hopeful that we can use this to move forward and to progress and get some true meaningful change and for people to be OK with teaching truth, people to be OK with embracing inclusivity and diversity, celebrating every student that walks through the doors of our schools.”
    Parents accused Whitfield of pushing critical race theory, or CRT, which has become a flashpoint for people who say efforts to teach America’s difficult history on race and to make classrooms more comfortable with diversity have become too divisive.

    There is no evidence that Colleyville Heritage High School or Whitfield taught critical race theory, but a host of incidents made him a target in recent months, including allegations of insubordination and accusations that he deleted emails as public records and did not cooperate with an internal investigation, NBC Dallas-Forth Worth reported.

    His real sin?

    After Whitfield was named principal, some parents issued unspecified complaints about photos of him and his white wife celebrating their anniversary that were kept in album on his Facebook page. Other parents grew outraged after he took part in a district-approved presentation on diversity. Some parents were particularly angry after he wrote an email about George Floyd’s murder in which he said systemic racism was “alive and well.”

    Yep, he has a white wife and hasn’t been quiet about the fact of his blackness.

    “It’s going to sound crazy, but for those who have been following this, this is Christian nationalism. This is white Christian nationalism. That’s what I think is happening here,” said a parent, Laura Leeman. “I think that a lot of people who really support public education and do support diversity have been asleep at the wheel. And there’s no time for us to sleep.”

    There are other parents voicing objections to this ouster in the article, so yeah, definitely not all.

    via Betty Cracker at Balloon Juice

  31. gVOR08 says:

    Cancel culture strikes again.

    The black high school principal in Texas who was targeted for removal by white conservatives on bogus charges that he indoctrinated children with critical race theory was forced to resign.

  32. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @gVOR08: Nyah nah nyah nah nah… Beat you by thiiiiisss much. 😉 😉 nudge nudge.

  33. de stijl says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Chrissie Hynde. I fell in love with her voice.

    Talk Of The Town

    I am not even that big a The Pretenders fan. I like 3 songs. The rest, kinda meh.

    Shirley Manson with Garbage, too. Man!

    She explicitly calls out Chrissie in Special near the end. I was so smitten with her.

    Special is a great song too, not just for the call out.

    I like feisty, fiery women. Burned my butt a few times, but I hold by it true. It is my thing.

  34. CSK says:

    Trump wants DeSantis to make a public pledge that DeSantis won’t run against him in 2024.

    Just another manifestation of Trump’s overwhelming insecurity and need to be the alpha male.

  35. Mimai says:


    It’s incredibly complex. Not just rodents to humans. But between rodents. Rats != mice. Enormous differences in physiology, cognition, social behavior, etc.

    In many respects, rats are so much easier and accommodating of hypothesis testing. But when genetic engineering first came on board, mice were prioritized and remained so. Until CRISPR!

  36. de stijl says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    I love 50s rock, rockabilly, some of the country, some of the pop.

    I think there is this thing that makes you disdain and dismiss the thing that came directly before you achieved full sentience of music you like and respond to.

    Got into that with The Stooges which had a anti-hippie vibe.

    When I discovered punk I started hating the recent past. Chipmunk Love can bleep my bleep. Fuck off with that nonsense bullshit. Air Supply can bleep off, too.

    Burn the house down, especially the recent additions. Took me years to appreciate CCR. I was taught to be prejudiced against a time-frame. I was taught to hate pop.

    I got over it eventually. In fact, I was the “softest” of my cohorts. Thank deity, btw. I had way better and more inclusive tastes eventually than my peers.

    For example, I liked Blondie. The Pretenders. Et alia.

  37. Kathy says:

    I think I found a bargain. A Philips 43″ 4K for $300 Us (approx.) at walmart. In amazon it was listed at over $500, but who knows how many markups that includes.

  38. Mister Bluster says:

    @Sleeping Dog:..Considering that no one was injured or endangered by this caper, can it be considered a win for the little guy?

    Which little guy? You?
    Have you gained somethig from this criminal act?
    Just askin’.

  39. Erik says:

    @MarkedMan: correlation does allow medical professionals to look for/prioritize different diagnoses for groups that those diagnoses are correlated with, even if they don’t know the specific mechanism. Better tools would be great, and you have to do the best you can with the tools you have, while also recognizing the limitations of those tools. I do agree with your general point though.

  40. Sleeping Dog says:

    @de stijl:

    I think there is this thing that makes you disdain and dismiss the thing that came directly before you achieved full sentience of music you like and respond to.

    I agree with that. In the middle to late 60’s, my high school years, I developed a strong dislike for doo wap and similar. I was ok with rockabilly, but late 50’s and early 60’s country, nah. I love Chet Atkins as a guitar player, but as a producer, not so much. He came close to turning country into Lawrence Welk. I can dislike Elvis, but that is mostly due to the hagiography that exists around him. Once I get past that I can enjoy his music.

  41. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    Me, my only semi-regular crime is speeding.

    The rhetorical little guy.

  42. de stijl says:


    Go for it.

    I have found that if you wait for the perfect deal in electronics, it never comes.

    Pick good enough for now at a price you are comfortable with.

    Good enough for now is bad advice for personal shit, but it works for a tv / monitor.

    You aren’t marrying it. Discard it in 4 years when the tech gets better.

    I never buy brand spanking new gear. New game console, new display tech, whatever. Wait for a year. You get better gear at a cheaper price.

    The early worm gets burned in this arena.

  43. de stijl says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    I hated Elvis. Thought he was a sick, bad joke.

    3 years later I was into his very early stuff. I decided to ignore the white jumpsuit stage. His version of Blue Moon hits the spot. Perfect camping song.

    A few years after that I was into the white jumpsuit stuff. Give me some Suspicious Minds please and thank you.

    I did the Graceland tour when I was in Memphis age 29 or so. It was gloriously hideous. Man needed an interior designer desperately. I loved it.

    Dwight Yoakam does a killer cover of Suspicious Minds. Younger me would never have listened to Dwight Yoakam just on principle. Younger me can suck my bleep.

  44. Kathy says:

    @de stijl:

    I did 🙂

    I’d been browsing on and off for weeks now, and the next best thing I saw was a 40″ HD at around the same price. So, this seemed good enough.

  45. JohnMcC says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I am reading Ian Toll’s trilogy on the Pacific in WW2. In the last lingering phase of the battle for Iwo Jima there were Nissei civilians who were trying to talk the last Japanese soldiers out of their caves. Some even walked unarmed into those caves.

    Many had been recruited right out of the internment camps.

  46. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Crooks, creeps and indecent proposals: Emily Ratajkowski on being paid to hang out with rich men

    To be paid $25,000 to show up to an event was the most ridiculous thing I’d ever heard. In 2014 my manager at the time, Evan, informed me that the billionaire financier behind The Wolf of Wall Street was offering to pay me that much to go to the Super Bowl with him. He explained that this person, Jho Low, “just liked to have famous men and women around” and there would be other celebrities going too. “He’s just one of those insanely rich guys from Asia.” Jho Low’s fortune came from family money, Evan said.

    “I’m sure Leo will be there, and a bunch of other people you’ll know, or, er, recognize. You know their movie is up for five Academy Awards next month?”

    “I don’t have to, like, do anything specific, right?” I asked. Was being at the Super Bowl my only task or was there some other more covert expectation? Evan told me he’d insisted that he accompany me, “Just to make sure you feel comfortable.” I knew Evan was coming along as a chaperone; but what he was protecting me from exactly, I wasn’t sure. The money, of which he got a 10% commission, would be wired ahead of time.

    It gets pretty gross.

    After an hour or so, Evan finally indicated that I’d stayed long enough. I peered around. Who had released me?

    As I walked toward the exit, I passed a group of people dancing. I saw that Jho Low’s face had grown red and sweaty. He was drunk. A tray of shots appeared in front of him, and he grabbed two, handing one to the Victoria’s Secret model. She had ignored me and the other guests, her attention focused on Jho Low. Now she kept her eyes locked on him as he took his shot, throwing her head back dramatically as he did, only to quickly toss the alcohol over her shoulder. When he faced her again, her eyes sparkled and the famous dimples appeared on her cheeks. Damn, I thought, what a manoeuvre.

    I liked to think that I was different from women like her and Kim. But over time, it became harder to hold on to that distinction or even believe in its virtue. I watched models and actresses guarantee themselves financial success and careers by dating or marrying rich and famous men.

    I couldn’t help but wonder whether those women were actually the smart ones, playing the game correctly. It was undeniable that there was no way to avoid the game completely: we all had to make money one way or another. So they were the hustlers, and I was – what, exactly? I posted paid Instagram ads. And I was no stranger to commodifying my physical presence, posing next to CEOs in their suits at their store openings and parties. Wasn’t I hustling just like they were?

    No judgements from me, I sold my body for over 35 years. I had my limits and walked off a number of job sites when somebody transgressed them. I hope ER is able to do the same.

  47. Sleeping Dog says:

    @de stijl:

    My wife dragged me to Graceland about 20 years ago. In the era of McMansions, my view was, it is a pretty typical suburban house, suffering from overwrought 70’s decorating. God that lounge room with the pleated fabric ceiling… But across the road in the Welcome Center, they played a looping tape of Elvis performing, about 5 minutes of it was a clip of him doing acapella harmonies with 3 other guys in a hallway somewhere. It was amazing. I’ve never been able to find that clip on YouTube, but if I did, I’d bookmark the link.

    I enjoy Dwight Yoakam, he puts on a great show.

  48. Neil Hudelson says:


    The last three tvs we’ve bought have been Phillips. They seem to always hit the nexus or price vs quality. Nothing to complain about after a decade or so of having only Philips tvs. Bonus: they are easy to repair with off the shelf components. When lightning took out my bedroom tv, my wife took it apart, found the parts that were blackened from the electric surge, and used Google image search to identify them. One week and $35 later we had a working tv again.

  49. de stijl says:


    Sometimes good enough is good enough at the right price.*

    You gave me a kick in the butt. I need to get an Xbox series X in the very near future.

    * This does not apply to intimate personal relationships. Hold out for the right one, there.

  50. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: I love Dwight Yoakam. I’ve liked everything I’ve heard him do..

  51. Neil Hudelson says:

    @de stijl:

    This does not apply to intimate personal relationships. Hold out for the right one, there.

    Messrs Crosby, Stills, and Nash disagrees.

  52. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JohnMcC: The book I just finished mentioned that the few who went to the Pacific ended up serving in intelligence, mostly working as interpreters/translators. Not surprising at all to me that some were called on to do that.

    I’m gonna have to get that trilogy. My old man was one of 10 children. My uncle Walt was the only one who ended up in Europe (From Utah Beach on D-Day+3 all the way to Germany). All my other Uncles ended up in the Pacific along with the old man or on the home front for those too old. One, my Uncle Alex even got a mention in a YA book about “Frogmen of World War II” for some stuff he did during the invasion of Saipan. They all made it back except for Joe (Navy). I never did learn what happened to him. They just never talked about it.

  53. de stijl says:


    The more I learn about Emily Ratajkowoski the more I think she is a truly smart cookie. Probably too smart to be “successful”.

    Harvey Weinstein might be gone, but that objectifying coercive male presence is not. Hopefully, new people will not put up with that bullshit at all. More power to em. Please.

  54. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: TBH, beyond perusing the pages of SI’s swimsuit issue, I don’t pay much attention to super models. Her book definitely looks worth a read but I wonder If I could get thru it. Just that short excerpt had me tasting bile.

  55. Mister Bluster says:

    @Neil Hudelson:..Messrs Crosby, Stills, and Nash disagrees.

    Along with a few other lovers. Per WikiP.
    Stephen Stills: lead vocals, guitar, organ, steel drum, percussion
    Calvin “Fuzzy” Samuels: bass
    Jeff Whittaker: congas
    Rita Coolidge, Priscilla Jones, John Sebastian, David Crosby, Graham Nash: background vocals

    Love the One You’re With

  56. de stijl says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    I strongly disagree with CSN. I hate that song.

    Love the one you love. I tried to be a playa, a man about town, whatever. Sow my wild oats for about three weeks.

    Utter disaster. Humiliation. Perhaps I should have not tried to woo two women who knew each other. Worst personal humiliation ever.

    I deserved it. It wasn’t me. I am a strictly monogamous person. It is how I am built. I cannot and should not play the field. I need to be true blue.

    Anything else is heartache and pain. Even at the beginning when things are fluid I need to be monogamous. Solely directed.

    My brief foray into playahood was not bad per se. That works for people – just not for me. I was bad at it, and getting caught out was not the worst thing. I was going against my nature.

    Yes, getting busted sucked pretty hard too. I had two women yelling at me during a party where basically everyone I knew was there and watching. I felt 1mm tall.

    I am the worst playa eff boy ever. Being 20 is not an excuse. I knew my nature. I was acting against type.

  57. de stijl says:


    I like that Ratajkowski has a lot to say about what it is like to be sexually objectified.

  58. CSK says:

    The taste of bile is what you get when you read about women being treated as disposable commodities.

  59. de stijl says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    A Thousand Miles From Nowhere gets me everytime. The perfect roadtrip song when you’re driving through northern Nevada.

    Next stop 108 miles. Big empty.

    Guitars, Cadillacs, and Hillbilly Music

  60. Mikey says:

    @de stijl:

    Chrissie Hynde. I fell in love with her voice.

    A good friend of mine met her once and she invited him back to her hotel to party. She said she’d registered under an assumed name: “Hoochie Playful.”

    My friend didn’t go but probably wishes he had. He says she was pretty cool and genuinely nice.

  61. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: We’re all disposable commodities. I got disposed of at the ripe old age of 55. My wife at 60. shrug

    There is something particularly gross about what these rich fat fcks do around these women. Not even to them (tho I am sure there is plenty to object to there too) just around them. Flaunting their disregard for any and all social norms. It’s all a big laugh.

    When I was a young man I’m pretty sure I thought most of that kinda shit entertaining to watch, tho I would have partaken in very little of it (too much Catholic upbringing I guess). There came a point where I just couldn’t tolerate it any more. I was at a Fat Tuesday parade in Soulard and of course several young women were flashing their tits. That didn’t bother me but when one in particular who was riding some guys shoulders started getting groped by numerous guys in the crowd (she was laughing throughout) I couldn’t watch anymore.

    “If I don’t leave I’m gonna end up getting my ass kicked.” So I did. Which was a good thing because as I walked away the cops moved in and it turned into a near riot. I’ll never know why they let me go.

    Anyway, my tolerance for that shit has grown so minuscule in my old(er) age as to be almost nonexistent.

  62. de stijl says:


    These women have names.

    Desires. Goals. Dreams. Lives.

  63. Scott says:


    BTW, Jho Low, has a Wikipedia page. Entirely predictable biography. Another argument to soak the rich.

  64. gVOR08 says:

    The Fifth Circuit ruled against Biden’s OSHA vaxx mandate. The Guardian quotes the opinion, written by a Federalist Society Trump appointee. Reads like a fracking GOP political ad.

    Engelhardt said “the mere specter of the Mandate” had stoked “workplace strife” and “contributed to untold economic upheaval in recent months”.

    “Rather than a delicately handled scalpel, the Mandate is a one-size fits-all sledgehammer that makes hardly any attempt to account for differences in workplaces (and workers) that have more than a little bearing on workers’ varying degrees of susceptibility to the supposedly ‘grave danger’ the Mandate purports to address.”

    Judge Engelhardt said the Biden business requirement potentially violated the commerce clause of the US constitution.

    “The Mandate imposes a financial burden upon [businesses] by deputising their participation in Osha’s regulatory scheme,” he wrote, “exposes them to severe financial risk if they refuse or fail to comply, and threatens to decimate their workforces (and business prospects) by forcing unwilling employees to take their shots, take their tests, or hit the road.”

    The other two judges involved are a Trump and a Reagan appointee.

    The bit about “varying degrees of susceptibility” is the GOP framing that the vaccine is solely about individual protection, not limiting spread, and therefore purely a matter of individual choice. And I love the scare quotes around “grave danger” and the capital M in “Mandate”. Using the Commerce Clause to attack OSHA, not just on vaccines but on it’s very existence, is straight out of the FS playbook. They intend to use the Commerce Clause and the Equal Protection Clause to destroy corporate regulation.

    We are in deep shit when senior judges are as much under the thrall of FOX “News” as any rube in Arkansas. The article notes there are similar cases in other circuits and that the cases will be combined and go to the Supremes, six of whom are also FS Stepford Judges.

  65. CSK says:

    Of course we’re all disposable commodities. But as you yourself say, “there is something particularly gross” about what these guys do.

    The pleasure these men get from ordering up women like take-out pizzas isn’t so much sex-related as it is the knowledge that they can treat the women as sub-human. That’s what’s gross. Beyond gross. Women = used Kleenex.

  66. Just nutha ignint cracker says:


    2 tier staffing never makes sense. It breeds dissension as those new hires make less doing the same work side by side with those making significantly more. Only an idiot would think it might be a good idea. Unless of course, breeding dissension is the goal.

    I would agree, but I also would note that in the past history I’m familiar with that 2-tier wage scales have been about creating conditions where wholesale reductions in salary become possible as the second tier becomes 51% of the labor force. The dissention created is simply a bonus. The goal is chopping wages by 40 or 50% over the longer term. (I would note that the 2-tier wage agreements I saw in the past had the second tier never catching up to the prevailing wage–usually capped at about 70-75%.)

  67. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Ifn’s anyone is interested: Copping an Attitude
    Riot police led by St. Louis Police Chief Ronald Henderson bring a violent end to 1999 Soulard Mardi Gras festivities

    It largely agrees with my recollections, tho of course, I have no idea of what happened after the cops moved in.

    After the motorcycle-cop fracas, the police reacted quickly with a three-pronged attack, according to witness accounts. First came a corps of officers, wielding billy clubs and flashlights, repelling the crowd with chemical sprays; then the mounted patrol, a virtual cavalry, used the hooves and flanks of their horses as weaponry; finally, a phalanx of mobile reserve officers in full riot regalia, including helmets and shields, swept up Geyer Street. In a very real sense, the objective of the maneuver was to take no prisoners. Instead, the police seemed set on dispersing the inebriated horde through sheer terror. Anyone too drunk or confused to understand those conditions risked a beating.

    Aside from the altercation involving the motorcycle officer and the subsequent property damage to a few vehicles, the most heinous offense among the young revelers appears to have been the baring of several pairs of adolescent teats. With these notable exceptions taken, the only other explicable purpose behind the unreasonable police action would seem to be an attempt to enforce the event’s 10 p.m. street curfew, a ridiculous rule in itself.

    According to Henderson, however, female torsos were not all that was being flaunted. “They bared other parts of their bodies,” says the chief. “I think it tended to psych the crowd; I mean, they were egging on other young ladies to do likewise. It was just a combination of the behavior of the crowd and the demeanor and things that went on. There was property damage; there were concerns for other people that were at the event,” says Henderson. “We repeatedly used the megaphone on our car and told them to disperse. Now, if they were in that crowd that was throwing beer bottles, throwing beer and rocks, you know, that was a situation where we had to take control. We didn’t just arbitrarily go there and decide to take on the crowd. We ordered them to disperse and gave them ample time to leave.”

    But Chrismer’s and Lane’s accounts contradict Henderson’s appraisal. “They gave no warning whatsoever,” says Chrismer. “Even if you went up to a cop and asked them what they were doing or why they were doing it, they wouldn’t tell you anything. They would just point and say, ‘Go.’ If you didn’t go, then they would just start using excessive force.”

    For those trapped in the crowd, the marching orders were a catch-22. There was no place to go, no escape. “They would beat you and Mace you, and make you go down the street, and you’d get down there and they would beat you and Mace you … and make you go back the other way,” says Lane. “It was nuts. It was just out of control. Their command center had no idea what was going on. It was the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen.”

    I never saw any “baring other parts of their bodies,” but it was pretty chaotic and I could have easily missed it. The cops kettled the crowd but there was never a command to disperse via megaphone. They just quietly moved in and started pushing. Naturally enough, people panicked. Some pushed back and things went from bad to worse.

    It was a close call, something I’ve had a number of over the years. As often as not just dumb luck but a few times I picked up on something. This was one of them.

  68. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: The pleasure these men get from ordering up women like take-out pizzas isn’t so much sex-related as it is the knowledge that they can treat the women as sub-human.

    Always, it’s about power. “I can do anything I want and you just have to accept it.”

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: Yep, that has been my experience.

  69. wr says:

    @Neil Hudelson: “Messrs Crosby, Stills, and Nash disagrees.”

    Not to be pedantic — oh, screw it, to be totally pedantic — that was just Stills… (Although to be even more pedantic, C and N sang back up on this Stills solo single…)

  70. wr says:

    @gVOR08: “We are in deep shit when senior judges are as much under the thrall of FOX “News” as any rube in Arkansas.”

    But remember, per JJ, it’s only when you have three Democrats on a panel it threatens to call into question the objectivity and fairness of the judiciary.

  71. Gustopher says:


    I’ve always had a problem with the way the medical profession relies way too heavily on correlation rather than admit they don’t have causation. “African Americans are more likely to get heart disease.” How is that in any way useful? Unless it is directly linked to melanin this is just a random statistic.

    African-American man comes in presenting with signs of heartburn.

    Except the symptoms of heartburn and heart attack are overlapping. Being very aware that African-Americans are more likely to have heart disease means you are more likely to not miss other symptoms and ask about them without waiting for the patient to bring them up. Symptoms the patient might just think are normal for an out of shape 50 year old.

    Is the cause genetic, dark skin blocking healing light from getting to the heart, stress from a lifetime of racism, traditional African American foods like deep fried sticks of butter…? Doesn’t matter, the correlation is useful as is.

    Understanding the causation would be more useful, as we could then change the trend rather than react to it, but knowing the correlation is useful.

  72. Sleeping Dog says:

    @de stijl:

    What’s great about Yoakam is that not only does he capture the Bakersfield sound, but hearkens back to the country sound of Hank Sr., Lefty Frizzel and others.

  73. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Neil Hudelson: The only version of Love the One You’re With is Steven Stills only backed by a band called “Manassas” IIRC. Then again, my record collection is mostly Classical, so most popular music I’ve listened to is limited to what plays on the radio.

    Or are you making another reference?

  74. Kurtz says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    Oh… and certain populations aren’t “vulnerable” to COVID. They’re “oppressed”.

    There is a chart in the AMA document that lists alternatives to “vulnerable.” The word “oppressed” doesn’t appear in it.

    When I read pieces like this, I find myself getting frustrated, because these things get retweeted and linked all over the place. The value of citation is the ability to check the interpretation of the author.

  75. Kurtz says:


    Yeah, I know. My position is not to get rid of animal testing. But the criticisms of it are valid.

    The arguments about overuse are legitimate. That is what I meant by inertia.

  76. Mister Bluster says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    You be pedantic, I’ll be repetitive…
    See my post in this thread at 13:09 or click here.

    I saw Stills with Manassas live in the ’70s. They kicked ass.

  77. dazedandconfused says:


    Trump wants DeSantis to make a public pledge that DeSantis won’t run against him in 2024.

    Just another manifestation of Trump’s overwhelming insecurity and need to be the alpha male


    That’s about defending campaign grift/donation turf. He just can’t think of another way to check the Rs big money people’s efforts to groom someone to replace him.

    Perhaps there is no other way…

  78. Michael Cain says:

    For some reason, I just checked the web site where my local power authority posts their source mix for the past 15 minutes. 87% of the current mix is wind, hydro, and solar. Of course, days like this don’t happen very often.

  79. Kathy says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    I was a bit surprised Philips still sells TVs.

    @de stijl:

    Good luck with that. The last game system I had was Super Nintendo, sometime before the stone age.

  80. JohnSF says:

    @Michael Cain:
    Current UK 9:50pm 13/11/2021:
    16.7% wind/solar/hydro (=wind/hydro, cause solar is zero)
    46.8% fossil fuels (42.5% gas)
    20% nuke
    10% interconnectors (mainly from France)

    The British Isles simply do not have the insolation in winter for solar power to work.
    And we also have a “cloudy high” meaning both insolation and wind speed are in the weeds.
    And as for economic storage of renewable energy, that has been promised for thirty years and still doesn’t cut the mustard.

    Compare France: 90% CO2 free, of which 77% is nuke.

  81. Mu Yixiao says:


    @Mu Yixiao: I’ve always had a problem with the way the medical profession relies way too heavily on correlation rather than admit they don’t have causation. “African Americans are more likely to get heart disease.” How is that in any way useful? Unless it is directly linked to melanin this is just a random statistic. Is it diet? Okay that’s useful. Is it genetic? Okay, we can screen for the genes. If we don’t know? Put on your big boy pants and admit it.

    So many people want to insist that medicine is a hard science–like mathematics or physics. It’s not.

    And while the notion that “race” actually describes well-delineated genetic groups is false, it does give us soft delineations that are very useful.

    If African-Americans are more likely to get heart disease, then we need to look at various factors.

    And… I need to point out a fallacy that you seem to believe: “African” is not an ethnicity–and it’s certainly not a singular genetic group. “African-American” is an entirely social designation.

    If raw data shows that “African-Americans” have a higher incidence of X, then the first thing to do is to look at others who live in the same area, look at diet, look at all the other common factors and eliminate them from the equation.

    Guess what? The scientists have done this.

    They’re not sitting around saying “Dude… the black dudes have more heart attacks. Must be because the black dudes are black.”

    In Africa–where ethnic groups have less inter-breeding (because of culture and geography)–it might be easier to separate out genetic groups with a vulnerability to certain medical conditions. In the US (or EU) were there’s a greater mixing of genetic lines, “black” (or “white” or “Asian” or “Middle Eastern” or “Mediterranean”, or…) can be a reasonable first-line indicator for decision making.

    I have zero issue with the fact that a doctor can look at me and–at the first line–rule out Tay-Sachs or sickle-cell-anemia because I’m Slavic-White.

  82. JohnSF says:

    And for music:
    Toni Halliday and the noise-gods Curve:
    Coast is Clear

  83. CSK says:

    I think you’re right about that. But it’s possible the big donors are growing disenchanted with him.

  84. JohnSF says:

    @Mu Yixiao:
    Talking to a biogeneticist earlier this year.
    There is more genetic variation, averaged out, within Africa, than outside of Africa.
    Even taking the rough ethnic indicators (height, build, nose shape, cheekbones, hair, etc) if you discount being”not pasty” in skin colour, various African ethnicities are much more divergent than, for instance, Europeans compared to South Asians.

  85. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Michael Cain: Cool.

  86. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JohnSF: That is to be expected in the birthplace of humanity. They’ve had more time to genetically diversify than any other place on the planet.

  87. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I am not a student of music. More of a “I know what I like when I hear it.” guy. I had read of the Bakersfield Sound before but I don’t think I ever actually looked it up before now (if I did, I forgot it). Imagine my surprise (s//) to find that 2 more of my favorites (Buck Owens and Merle Haggard) were big in it.

    Dwight rules. Not Bakerfield, but so does George Jones. I know more than a few can’t stand him, but for down in the dumps, drowning my sorrows in a bottle ’cause I done screwed up so badly she’ll never take me back again drinking songs, nobody beats George.

  88. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mister Bluster: Oh, I saw it, just not before I posted. (And I am pedantic enough to note that if Crosby and Nash did back up vocals on it, CSN counts, at least partially, as accurate.)

  89. Barry says:

    @MarkedMan: “I’ve always had a problem with the way the medical profession relies way too heavily on correlation rather than admit they don’t have causation. “African Americans are more likely to get heart disease.” How is that in any way useful? Unless it is directly linked to melanin this is just a random statistic. Is it diet? Okay that’s useful. Is it genetic? Okay, we can screen for the genes. If we don’t know? Put on your big boy pants and admit it.

    I suspect screening by race provides no actionable information whatsoever and instead diverts time and resources that could be spent on something useful.”

    Speaking from my 29 years of experience as a statistician, epidemiologists and statisticians are not just running massive correlation matrices and pulling out the biggest values. And note that ‘screening for genes’ is a rather nontrivial process.

  90. Barry says:

    @MarkedMan: ” I’ve always had a problem with the way the medical profession relies way too heavily on correlation rather than admit they don’t have causation.”

    BTW, causality from observational data has advanced a lot. Send me your e-mail address and I’ll send you some PDF’s covering the techniques.

  91. grumpy realist says:

    @de stijl: I seem to remember that Bjork is the only popular singer who has ever written something in the Lydian mode. (There are quite a few explanations on YouTube.)

    It’s a very weird scale.

  92. de stijl says:

    @grumpy realist:

    Bjork is a genius at her job.

    Technical and emotional.