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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Stupid is as stupid does: A dramatic video released by Colorado authorities shows the moment a freight train hit a police patrol cruiser parked on the train tracks with a person handcuffed in the backseat.

    The video, which was released on Friday by the Platteville and Fort Lupton police departments, shows how Yareni Rios-Gonzalez, 20, was hurt after officers from both agencies detained her in a patrol car on 16 September as they searched her pickup truck for weapons.

    The officers were responding to a report of a road rage confrontation that involved a gun in Fort Lupton. A Platteville police officer stopped Rios-Gonzalez’s truck near a set of railroad tracks and parked the patrol vehicle atop the tracks.
    …………………………………
    An edited excerpt of body-camera and dashboard-camera footage posted online shows officers searching the pickup truck and the surrounding area for firearms before a train’s horn is heard in the distance. The officers appear to take at least 15 seconds to realize a Union Pacific train was incoming.

    Once one of the officers grasps that the train is approaching the patrol cruiser, they yell while another officer tells his colleague to “stay back”. An officer is then shown turning around a few times near the patrol vehicle before ultimately running for cover as the train slammed into the car, pushing it several yards down the tracks.

    Oooopps.

    After about 20 seconds, a Platteville police officer is heard repeatedly saying: “Hey, was she in there? Was she in there? Was she in there?”

    “Oh my God, yes, she was,” the Fort Lupton officer yells back before calling for medical emergency assistance. Both officers run towards the cruiser that the train hit.

    Pretty safe to say these guys aren’t in the running for the Nobel Prize for Policing.

    According to her attorney Paul Wilkinson, Rios-Gonzalez was unconscious by the time she arrived at the hospital. She suffered numerous injuries, including a broken arm that required surgery, nine broken ribs, a fractured sternum, and a wound to her back and head.

    “She saw it coming and could hear the horn,” Wilkinson told the Denver Post. “She was trying to get the police officers’ attention, screaming at them. She tried unlocking the door. She had her hands behind her back and was frantically trying to unlock the door.

    And is now about to become very very well off.

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  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Wm. Brett Hill wrote a book@magisternihilMy wife made a point the other day that all of these devices with assistants (Alexa, Siri, etc.) all come as women by default so we’re training a whole new generation to see women as “staff” and I can’t stop thinking about that.

    There is a reason for this. In general, a woman’s voice is not as threatening as a man’s. Imagine for a second if you inquired “Siri, will you open the front door for me please?” And it answered in Hal’s voice, “I’m sorry Dave, I can not open the pod bay door.”

    Shit… I know I’d freak out.​

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  3. Jon says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: My dad set the GPS directions voice to Homer Simpson’s voice at one point, and my mom refused to get in the car till he changed it.

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  4. MarkedMan says:

    @Jon: Someone, maybe the “Bowling Alone” author, has commented on how television characters lessen our need for social interaction with real people. They are friends of a sort, but always beautiful, always funny, completely undemanding, and when you get tired of them you can walk away with no emotional aftereffects.

    So what happens when our Siris and Alexas can engage in witty banter, ask you sympathetically how it is going at work, or tell you about a book they just know you would like?

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  5. Jon says:

    @MarkedMan: Heh, my Amazon Echo thingy already tries book recommendations, it just mostly seems to be stuff I don’t care about; random new releases, best-sellers, and things of that nature.

    And I catch myself all the time saying “please” and “thank you” when giving it commands; I like to tell myself it’s just me re-enforcing the good habit of *always* saying “please” and “thank you” irrespective of to whom (or what) I’m talking, but I have my suspicions …

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  6. OzarkHillbilly says:

    “I will explain to the Russians what is happening in Russian, Fifty-five thousand Russian soldiers died in this war in six months. Tens of thousands are wounded and maimed. Want more? No? Then protest. Fight back. Run away. Or surrender to Ukrainian captivity.

    “These are the options for you to survive.”

    – Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelenskiy

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  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jon: HA! If I were ever to have one, I’d probably opt for the Norman Bates option.

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  8. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jon: And I catch myself all the time saying “please” and “thank you” when giving it commands; I like to tell myself it’s just me re-enforcing the good habit of *always* saying “please” and “thank you” irrespective of to whom (or what) I’m talking, but I have my suspicions …

    Which is one of the many reasons I will never have such a thing.

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  9. MarkedMan says:

    @Jon:

    my Amazon Echo thingy already tries book recommendations

    Whoa. Yet another reason not to own an Alexa. I’m the kind of guy who listens to a ball game on the radio and turns the volume all the way down at the first syllable of a commercial. I can’t imagine not throwing an Alexa across the room if it started piping up with one on its own.

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  10. Jon says:

    @MarkedMan: Eh, commercials don’t bother me. It’s how the stations make money so they can show me the soccer or baseball or whatever for free (on my end at least). I’ve mostly learned to tune ’em out. Same with the Echo occasionally recommending books; it only happens in the context of something else I’ve asked it to do (mostly timers, alarms, or weather anymore) and never completely out of the blue. I’d guess there’s a way to turn it off, but honestly that seems like more trouble than just letting it speak its piece 🙂

  11. CSK says:

    My 15-year-old nephew was killed last night in an auto accident.

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  12. charon says:

    https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1574011211901026310

    thread:

    Sunday Update. Russia (finally) mobilizes with the worst mobilization process in modern history. Plus why it wont matter that much unless they properly train and equip the forces and why people are being fooled by one vision of WWII and the Eastern Front.

    snip

    If they really are going to give these poor conscripts two weeks of training and send them to Ukraine with old crappy weapons, it will probably make things worse, as logistically moving and maintaining them will hardly be worth their combat value.

    snip

    Actually, Putin seems to be desperately trying to recreate the Stalinist experience in WWII, but he is fooling himself about that (as I would argue he and many others have fooled themselves about just how important the Eastern Front was in defeating the Nazis).

    So much of his and other people’s view of WWII has been dominated by the argument that the was was decided on the Eastern Front with the engagement of the Red and German armies, that they have focussed on the wrong variables–numbers of soldiers.

    When people say the war was decided on the eastern front, they invariably turn to numerical Army size. And yes, most German infantry was engaged on the Eastern front from June 1941 until the summer of 1944.

    However, numbers of soldiers has ceased being the key metric since the industrial revolution. Since then the key thing is the army with the best trained and motivated forces provided with the best equipment.

    During WWII, the Germans actually sent a remarkably small % of their military production to the Eastern Front. Basically they always prioritized aircraft production and the land war was secondary. ie, in an industrial/technological assessment, the Eastern Front was secondary.

    snip

    Long story short, the numbers of troops in and of itself is a poor indicator of success and failure in modern technological, industrial warfare. As said above its about the number of well-trained, motivated, equipped and supported forces.

    The Russian mobilization process seems deliberately operated to create the opposite of this, poorly trained, disaffected soldiers with crappy equipment and poor logistics.

    The big story this week was not Russian mobilization, but that Ukraine continues grinding on. The Russian front around Lyman looks decidedly ropey, and should fall in the coming days.

    Russian forces on the west bank of the Dnipro are still getting methodically chewed up and are difficult to supply.

  13. Jon says:

    @CSK: Oh my god, I’m so sorry.

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  14. Jax says:

    @CSK: So sorry to hear this! Big hugs to you and your family. 🙁

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  15. EddieInCA says:

    @CSK:

    Oh damn! So so so sorry to hear that. My thoughts are with your family.

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  16. Mister Bluster says:

    @CSK:..terrible news…my sincere condolences to your family.

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  17. CSK says:

    @Jon: @Jax: @EddieInCA: @Mister Bluster:

    Thank you all so much. The cliche is true: It feels like a horrible dream.

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  18. charon says:

    @charon:

    Relevant book:

    https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/how-war-was-won

    How the war was won

    Phillips Payson O’Brien / 3 Sep 2019

    Allied victory in WWII is usually viewed through the lens of large land battles, from Stalingrad to Kursk to D-Day. However, battlefield losses of equipment in these ‘great’ land battles were relatively small and easily replaceable. This column demonstrates that the real effort of the major powers was put into the construction of air and sea weapons. The Allies used their air and sea power to destroy the Axis’s in a multi-layered campaign. This was the true battlefield of WWII: a massive air-sea super battlefield that stretched for thousands of miles. Victory in this super-battlefield led to victory in the war.

    Every aspect of WWII is discussed in a vast literature. Considering its diversity, explanations of why Germany lost the war are surprisingly predictable. It remains widely argued that the Nazis were beaten mostly by the Soviet Union’s powerful Red Army (Hastings 2005: 508, Kennedy 2013: 183).

    From June 1941 to May 1945, German ‘power’ was supposedly engaged and destroyed by the Russians. At some points, more than two-thirds of German infantry were engaged against the Red Army. The famous battles of the Eastern Front, such as Stalingrad and Kursk, supposedly caused the Germans’ crippling losses. The upshot of this lopsided deployment was that most German soldiers died in the East. Fighting against the Americans and British, conversely, is often portrayed as a secondary concern (Roberts 2010: 573).

    This battle-centric view, like much history of WWII, is old-fashioned. Historians of strategy have moved away from seeing battles as determinative. Nolan (2017) has argued that attrition losses are more important than battle losses in explaining outcomes.

    The battle-centric analysis implies that infantry deployment is the best way to analyse effort. Yet, human-power was rarely the key factor in deciding combat in WWII. Equipment and specialised training mattered more. Possessing and operating the largest stores of modern weapons, not only tanks and artillery but also aircraft and naval vessels, determined the course of battles and the war.

    etc., etc.

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  19. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: So sorry to hear

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  20. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And is now about to become very very well off.

    Only if she recovers. If she has any serious permanent injuries/disabilities from the deliberate stupidity “accident,” she’ll only be able to afford the continuing care she needs.

    Maybe. 🙁

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  21. Michael Reynolds says:

    @CSK:
    Jesus. That’s tough news to get.

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  22. Sleeping Dog says:

    @CSK:

    Very sorry to hear that, my condolences to you and your family.

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  23. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @MarkedMan: There will be a lot more people like the guy in Japan who entered into a virtual marriage with (IIRC) and anime character. 🙁

  24. CSK says:

    @MarkedMan: @Michael Reynolds: @Sleeping Dog:

    Thank you. I appreciate it.

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  25. @CSK: I am truly sorry to hear this and my heart goes out to you and to his parents.

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  26. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Jon: I would guess that the recommendations that you get from Amazon Echo are of a kind with the emails that Amazon Kindle sends to my email box several times a day. The advantage to the emails over Echo is that I can delete them without even opening them. That puts me ahead, I think.

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  27. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: I’m sorry to hear that. My condolences to you and your extended family at this tragedy.

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  28. CSK says:

    @Steven L. Taylor: @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    I very much appreciate your condolences.

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  29. Jon says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: Heh, it’s not a competition 😉

    And yeah, probably the same stuff but it only happens once, maybe twice, a month. Maybe not even that much; I don’t actually pay much attention. I can also stop it mid-nag by saying “no thanks” or “stop.” Overall it is dramatically less intrusive and/or annoying than I think y’all are taking it to be. It is more interesting (to me) in how I respond to it, not that it does it in the first place.

  30. Moosebreath says:

    @CSK:

    Really sorry to hear that.

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  31. CSK says:

    @Moosebreath:
    Thank you.

  32. JohnSF says:

    @CSK:
    That’s so horrible.
    My condolences to you and your family.

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  33. becca says:

    @CSK: I am so so sorry.

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  34. CSK says:

    @JohnSF: @becca:

    Thank you very much.

  35. Beth says:

    @CSK:

    That’s awful. Sorry for your family’s loss.

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  36. Gustopher says:

    @CSK: That’s horrible. I’m so sorry.

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  37. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Jon: I have no idea about the technology at all. Then again, the technology has no appeal for me whatsoever, either. I don’t see the utility.

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  38. CSK says:

    @Beth: @Gustopher:

    I appreciate it.

  39. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Shit. So very sorry. Always a shock but 15 is way too young.

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  40. SC_Birdflyte says:

    @CSK: Very sorry to hear such dreadful news.

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  41. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @SC_Birdflyte:

    Thank you very much.

  42. Mister Bluster says:

    I rarely click on eMails unless I know where they are from. My curiosity got the best of me when an item from YELP! titled: Best Sports Bars Near Me in Carbondale, IL showed up at my In Box.
    “Click”
    The first listing was for a local swill hole that has TVs and they feature baseball and football games.
    I can’t say much for YELP!’s targeting me with this as I haven’t been in the place since I was thrown out in 1983.
    The next YELP! listing of local sports bars was…Taco Bell?!?. The Bell doesn’t even have a TV let alone sell alcohol.
    I scrolled down to check a few more listings. Almost all of them are in neighboring towns and the local Pappa Johns has been closed for months and was always a carry out store. No TV or booze there either.
    I just wonder who pays who for this kind of “advertising”?

  43. Mu Yixiao says:

    There is–rightfully so–a lot of talk about China in OtB.

    There are only a handful of us who have actually lived there and have an understanding of the culture.

    While there are plenty of things that we would consider “wrong” about their culture, please remember that the Chinese government is, absolutely, not representative of the Chinese people.

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  44. Mikey says:

    @CSK: My deepest condolences to you and your family. May his memory be a blessing.

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  45. CSK says:

    @Mikey:
    Thank you.

  46. Mister Bluster says:
  47. Lost in Quebec says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    I rarely click on eMails unless I know where they are from. My curiosity got the best of me when an item from YELP! titled: Best Sports Bars Near Me in Carbondale, IL showed up at my In Box.
    “Click”
    The first listing was for a local swill hole that has TVs and they feature baseball and football games.
    I can’t say much for YELP!’s targeting me with this as I haven’t been in the place since I was thrown out in 1983.
    The next YELP! listing of local sports bars was…Taco Bell?!?. The Bell doesn’t even have a TV let alone sell alcohol.
    I scrolled down to check a few more listings. Almost all of them are in neighboring towns and the local Pappa Johns has been closed for months and was always a carry out store. No TV or booze there either.
    I just wonder who pays who for this kind of “advertising”?

    Don’t have a clue.

    I received the same type of email from Yelp but for Watertown NY. The last time I was to a sports bar was 2000 or 2001 and I was in Dallas TX at the time and only because it was the eating establishment for the hotel I was staying at.

  48. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Say, how ’bout dem Cubbies… 21.5 games back of the Cards in the last week of September. Some things, the more they change, the more they stay the same. 😉 😉 😉

  49. dazedandconfused says:

    @CSK: Sad, sad news. Best wishes.

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  50. OzarkHillbilly says:

    This is just too on the nose:

    Dad Jokes
    @Dadsaysjokes

    I taught my kids about democracy tonight by having them vote on which movie to watch and pizza to order.

    I then picked the movie and pizza because I’m the one with the money.

    Don’t be surprised if I post this again tomorrow.

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  51. grumpy realist says:

    @CSK: Sincere condolences to you and your family. Only 15? What a total shock.

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  52. Stormy Dragon says:

    @CSK:

    Sorry for your loss, I hope his memory will be a blessing for you

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  53. Mister bluster says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:..Cubs…
    it has been another long year. I am sure that if the Cubs were playing real baseball with no DH that they would have done better. I am certain that a pitch clock next year will make the game even worse. what is the penalty for not throwing the ball fast enough? besides me puking in my popcorn. at least I have 2016. my daddy lived to be 85 and never saw the Cubs win a World Series. His daddy, my grandfather, was 21 in 1908. they did not even have radio then. he had to read about it in the newspaper!

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  54. Franklin says:

    @CSK: Oh, geezus, I am so sorry to all those who must be devastated. Sincere condolences.

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