Sunday’s Forum

James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. Sleeping Dog says:

    Elon Musk Has Used Illegal Drugs, Worrying Leaders at Tesla and SpaceX
    Some executives and board members fear the billionaire’s use of drugs—including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine—could harm his companies

    The world’s wealthiest person has used LSD, cocaine, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, often at private parties around the world, where attendees sign nondisclosure agreements or give up their phones to enter, according to people who have witnessed his drug use and others with knowledge of it. Musk has previously smoked marijuana in public and has said he has a prescription for the psychedelic-like ketamine.

    In 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.

    That Musk suffers from bi-polar disorder has long been an explanation for his behavior and use of street drugs, particularly psychotics, is often a method of self medication. Or maybe he’s just a doper.

  2. Sleeping Dog says:

    Earlier @CSK was wondering about snow totals. Here at the beach, we had about 3″ at 5 AM

  3. DK says:

    @Sleeping Dog: Can be both. One can be a fiend and also seek legit, therapeutic self-mediation solutions.

    I bet you’re just shocked, shocked to learn there’s gambling in Casablanca rampant drug use and abuse among the rich and famous, and in the techbro subculture.

  4. Jim Brown 32 says:

    If one remembers the Swiftboating of John Kerry (Who could forget?)

    I’ll know the Biden machine is up for a fist fight when I see released J6ers an reformed Q nuts in swing state campaign commercials about how believing the fraud destroyed their lives.

  5. MarkedMan says:

    @Sleeping Dog: Musk has shown the behavior of someone spiraling on drugs for a while. Impulsive, self destructive behavior.

  6. MarkedMan says:

    James, why is it called “Sunday’s Tabs” today instead of “Sunday’s Forum”? Perhaps you had a pemonition that the first post would be about LSD?

  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Election denier Kristina Karamo voted out as Michigan Republican party chair

    That headline makes it sound like she was kicked out because of her election denialism.

  8. James Joyner says:

    @MarkedMan: I probably saw Steven’s “Saturday’s Tabs” post right before creating this.

  9. MarkedMan says:

    @James Joyner: Makes sense, but you gotta admit mine is the more interesting answer!

  10. Kurtz says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    As someone who has some experience with some . . . um . . . substances, my first inclination is to say, “who cares?”

    The thing that kept me from spiraling is keeping a healthy amount of respect for the substance. At the same time, I’ve seen people really spiral. Some people can do it; some people cannot.

    It’s not hard to imagine that someone who otherwise holds a lot of power and shows behaviors that suggest a lack of respect for others would have trouble respecting what drugs can do to a person.

  11. Jen says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, that’s what it sounds like but the bigger problem is that she promised to stop taking money from big-dollar donors, and that stupidity has pretty much bankrupted the Michigan GOP. If she continued to bleat on about election denialism but raised the money they need (to even pay the staff and bills), my guess is that they would have looked the other way.

  12. OzarkHillbilly says:

    After offering sympathy and emotional support for the victims of the shooting in Perry, Iowa, and their families, Trump said at the event in Sioux Center: “It’s just horrible – so surprising to see it here. But we have to get over it. We have to move forward.”

    Trump’s comments on the shooting that occurred about 36 hours earlier were the first he had made addressing the violence.

    It’s who he is.

  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jen: If she hadn’t espoused election denialism she never would have gotten the job to begin with. It’s a requirement.

  14. DK says:

    Trump mocks Biden over stutter | Washington Post

    Donald Trump ridiculed President Biden over the economy, immigration and foreign policy before turning to personal mockery during an Iowa event on Friday night.

    A few hours after Biden had given a sweeping denunciation of Trump, calling him a sore loser and a threat to American democracy, the former president made fun of Biden’s childhood speaking impediment.

    “Did you see him? He was stuttering through the whole thing,” Trump said to a chuckling crowd on Friday in Sioux Center, Iowa. “He’s saying I’m a threat to democracy.”

    “’He’s a threat to d-d-democracy,’” he continued, pretending to stutter. “Couldn’t read the word.”

    The remark was not true; Biden said the word “democracy” 29 times in his speech, never stuttering over it.

    It’s 2024, and Drama Queen Donnie is determined to remind voters why they hate him. Hope Biden’s surrogates jump all over this for a news cycle or two.

  15. Modulo Myself says:


    Yeah, doing coke or club drugs or psychedelics once every so often is hardly an issue. In my experience in some people the urge to do most of those wanes after a night of fun. In others it can become their life.

    Nb–with fentanyl in everything you have to be careful as hell. I’m old, and glad I’m not remotely connected to a world with everything is a possible OD.

  16. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Thanks. That’s about what was predicted for the NH coast, right?

  17. Jax says:

    @Modulo Myself: Ha! Same. I don’t know why they had to ruin perfectly good illegal drugs by adding fentanyl to everything. Back in MY day…..(Gives long, snooty stare and mentally tells the kids to get off my lawn) 😛 😛

  18. CSK says:


    And…Trump also said the Civil War could have been “negotiated.”

  19. MarkedMan says:


    I don’t know why they had to ruin perfectly good illegal drugs by adding fentanyl to everything.

    Because fentanyl is highly addictive and that’s the business model?

  20. Modulo Myself says:


    No, because it’s an easy way to cut pure drugs while giving a high. They aren’t selling coke or ecstasy laced with Fentanyl in order to get you hooked on Fentanyl. People who deal drugs are not concerned about the demand in that way, and the dealers on the street almost certainly don’t know what’s in the product they’re selling, which may have been cut many times. It’s not an intentional thing. No one is like hell yeah I want potentially to kill my customers or really get them hooked on this trumped-up ecstasy.

  21. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: He should tell SC that. And AL and TX and LA and GA, and…

  22. CSK says:


    Trump also said that he is “so attracted to seeing” the Civil War. Pray, what the hell does that mean?

  23. Joe says:

    Trump said to a chuckling crowd on Friday in Sioux Center, Iowa.

    I am at least as creeped out by he audience reaction, @DK, as I am by Trump’s predictable rhetoric.

  24. Slugger says:

    The Boston Globe is reporting 4-8 inches of snow with some local accumulation. Killington ski area reports 5 inches of new snow. Not much of an apocalypse.

  25. MarkedMan says:

    @Modulo Myself:

    No one is like hell yeah I want potentially to kill my customers or really get them hooked on this trumped-up ecstasy.

    ”No one” seems to be working pretty hard here. There’s a reason why heroin dealers give the first taste for free.

  26. Beth says:


    Even heroin dealers don’t necessarily want dead clients. They want them hooked for a long time.

    In my experience I can’t imagine wanting to do. Psychedelics every day. A standard 12 hour LSD trip where you can’t sleep is fun for a couple hours and then gets annoying. Also, tolerance builds rapidly. If on day 1 you need one tab to trip on day 2 you’re gonna need like 4 to get the same effect. Which will also be janky and uncomfortable. Day 3 would be like 12-15 and be awful.

    I also doubt guys like Musk are worried about fentanyl in their drugs. I bet he has easy access to research purity psychedelics. Bastard. Hell, while I’m concerned about quality or the fact that something is what it claims to be, I’m not particularly concerned about fentanyl. It’s relatively easy to get testing kits.

    lol, coming up from the D.A.R.E. era it’s been a trip learning about all the stupid ass drug lies. As an adult it’s wild to realize there are responsible cocaine users out there. I know some. Not me though, I won’t touch it. I know I wouldn’t be able to use it responsibly. That’s a hard line for me.

  27. gVOR10 says:

    Mostly for Kathy, Mistermix at Balloon Juice links to a story that in addition to having to ground the 737 MAX 9 because of the deactivated exit door blowing off Boeing has been unable to complete certification of the smaller MAX 7. They’re trying to get an exemption with a shaky workaround for a potentially catastrophic failure of the de-icing system.

  28. Kathy says:


    Too busy today trying out the new multifunction pot (so far,t he saute thing works better than I’d expected), so this will be short. I haven’t been following the travails of the certification for the MAX 7 and the MAX 10, but have gathered there are lots of issues, and the FAA is very closely checking anything Boeing shows or claims. They don’t want a repeat of the MCAS tragedies.

    We’re seeing what happens when consolidation goes too far, and one half of a duopoly (Boeing and Airbus) gets its priorities mixed up. So far the only plausible remedy seems to be China’s COMAC, and they’re off to a slow start.

    I wonder if there’s any thought to promoting one of the other US aerospace companies to enter the commercial aviation market. Lockheed surpassed Boeing in that regard before the jet age (look up the Lockheed Constellation).

  29. Mr. Prosser says:

    @Kathy: I have always thought the Constellation was the most pleasing to look at of all the commercial aircraft. I know looks aren’t important but it sure was pretty

  30. Matt says:

    @Modulo Myself: Indeed this is why a lot of ODs happen. The user gets some product that is uncut and then ODs because it’s far more potent than normal. Or the opposite they get a product that is cut with something without the user knowing. THe unpredictable nature of street heroin and such is a major cause of ODs.

    @MarkedMan: I have never seen that happen in the wild. Probably because there’s absolutely no guarantee that the user will come back to the same dealer once addicted. Unless you’re in some small town hellhole (<200 people) you're going to find a lot of options for connections.

    The first hit is free thing is something that sounds reasonable and "smart" to someone who has no experience in the illicit drug market.

    @Mr. Prosser: The connie is a beautiful plane with a light show at night. I love the sound of big radial engines so the conny and various ww2 era bombers are absolute ear candy for me.

  31. Kathy says:

    @Mr. Prosser:

    I place it third, behind the Concorde and the 747. Rounding the top 5 are the Lockheed L-1011 and the various iterations of the DC-9.

    So Lockheed has two of the top 5 best looking airplanes.

  32. CSK says:


    Where are you located? We got 15.6 inches. in extreme northeastern Mass.

  33. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Matt: The first hit is free is a relic from the early days of Teen Challenge and The Sword and the Switchblade. That and Tom Lehrer’s song about The Old Dope Peddler. Even by my day–mid 60s and on–if someone was hooking you up, they were subsidizing you for their own reasons, but drug dealers were not doing the equivalent of the Avon lady, Mary Kay, or Tupperware parties.

  34. Matt says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: Thanks for the history lesson on possible origins for the “first hit is free” myth. I have wondered for some time where people get that crap from because it’s not happening on the actual streets.

    Your last sentence is comedy gold 😛 My response took extra time purely because I had to spend a couple minutes to imagine a drug dealer having a drug party like an avon lady lol.

    Now I need to mosey on over to the headline thread to see how ridiculous the reaction has been there…

  35. Modulo Myself says:


    The ‘first hit free’ might have happened if you knew a small-time dealer who was probably dealing and using, but that guy wasn’t touching what he was selling. The open-air drug markets where people lined down the street to go into unmarked buildings were not doing that.

    And anyway adding opiates to MDMA, cocaine, or ketamine in the hope of the making the user addicted to a substance they don’t think they’re getting doesn’t make a lot of sense. The reason fentanyl is being added to non-opiates is because it’s a cheap way of cutting the drug.

  36. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Matt: In other news of “leavin’ nothin’ but the dead and dyin’ back in my little town,” it became sunny in the late afternoon, so I went out for a walk and to smoke a cheroot (or three) and noticed on my way back that Longview/Kelso has reached the saturation point in the weed market. We have a third weed store now that has a for rent sign in the window. All late comers, and all on the Kelso side of town (Kelso being, officially, number 3 or 4 in the bottom 10 for average income statewide).

    Great place to be from. Or so it would seem…

  37. MarkedMan says:

    @Matt: I’ll admit that my direct knowledge of the illicit drug market is very out of date, but you in turn seem out of touch with the drug market in poor city neighborhoods. Those dealers very definitely are going for repeat customers.

  38. MarkedMan says:

    @Modulo Myself: Open air drug markets are for suburbanites.

  39. dazedandconfused says: