Wednesday’s Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. Kylopod says:

    Given my bout with probably-not-Covid last week, I have to ask for those who happen to have any knowledge: does sticking the swab in for under three seconds yield a less accurate result?

    Frankly, I’m starting to wonder if the antigen tests I perform on myself using the kits at home are more accurate than some of the PCRs given by professionals at this point.

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Yesterday in the Code Red thread, @wr asked,

    Just wondering… I seem to recall that before the hearings began there were some here who were saying they’d be useless, that no one would pay attention, that they wouldn’t make any difference, and that the Democrats were just wasting their time again.
    Can’t remember which commenters here were saying that… but I’m wondering if you still feel the same way.

    I don’t think I ever said it, but I felt that the hearings wouldn’t make any real difference in the voting. I still feel that way. At least in the immediate future. It may change things around the margins, but right now the country is too deeply divided for any kind of real shift.

    As far as the hearings being a waste of time, I never felt that way. They had to be done, history demanded at least that much. I also now feel a spark of hope that in the years to come there may be an accounting, not that I have any idea of what form that may take.

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Steven Taylor bait: War on drugs prolonged Colombia’s decades-long civil war, landmark report finds

    The punitive, prohibitionist war on drugs helped prolong Colombia’s disastrous civil war, the country’s truth commission has found, in a landmark report published on Tuesday as part of an effort to heal the raw wounds left by conflict.

    The report, titled “There is a future if there is truth” was the first instalment of a study put together by the commission that was formed as part of a historic 2016 peace deal with the leftist rebels of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc).
    But the report found that “the union of the interests of United States and Colombia led to the construction of Plan Colombia”, a massive multibillion-dollar military aid programme that began in 2000, “which merged together the counter-insurgency, anti-terrorist and anti-narcotics programmes with the war against narco-terrorism”.

    The report found that a “substantial change in drug policy” should be implemented and that a transition “to the regulation of drug markets” should follow, while also placing some of the blame at the US, who funded Colombia’s armed forces during the war.

    “We cannot postpone, as we did after millions of victims, the day when ‘peace is a duty and a mandatory right’, as expressed in our constitution”,” said Francisco de Roux, the truth commission’s president at a ceremony in Bogotá.

    I know you are every bit as shocked as I.

  4. Michael Cain says:

    Broadly speaking, the Big Lie extremists had a bad day in the Colorado Republican primaries yesterday. “Day” is a misnomer, since the very large majority of votes are cast by mail ballot before election day. Based on that, yesterday’s hearings’ effects were probably non-existent. Rep. Boebert, who was out-crazied on the subject of elections, got the spotlight back over the weekend by announcing she was “tired of this separation of church and state junk” and that the church ought to be setting policies for the government.

  5. Jax says:

    I’m very sad Bobble Head Boebert won her primary.

  6. OzarkHillbilly says:

    But now, thanks to a large and increasingly dunderheaded minority, it would appear that the show with the worst fans alive is currently Amazon’s The Boys. These fans have just twigged that the show’s main villain is actually a villain, and they’re absolutely furious.

    For those of you who haven’t watched it – and, really, you should – The Boys is a satirical comic book adaptation about a team of vigilantes tasked with taking down the unchecked powers of a band of superheroes. The de facto leader of the superheroes is Homelander, a Superman analogue dressed in a Stars and Stripes cape. Homelander presents a smiling, all-American front to the public, but in private uses his powers to intimidate and murder his rivals. He is, without exaggeration, one of the most terrifying TV villains for years.

    The problem is, some of Homelander’s behaviour this season has seemed a little familiar. He’s given an open platform on a rightwing news network. His popularity soars after he starts saying the worst things possible. He becomes the head of an over-reaching corporation and immediately finds himself out of his depth. He’s a self-destructive mixture of professional ambition and personal insecurity. In other words, as if it needed to be spelled out, Homelander is Donald Trump.
    And yet, a small but vocal band of right-leaning fans have only just realised that they’re the punchline. As well as Homelander’s misdeeds, this season also introduced Blue Hawk, a Blue Lives Matter superhero who kills an unarmed Black man. And last week, writer Ryan Broderick posted some outraged screengrabs from Reddit. One read: “Was really liking Blue Hawk until the end of his speech’. Another read “There’s no need to apologize for helping eliminate criminals.” These fans, Broderick claimed, have been patiently waiting for Homelander’s redemption arc. Now that it seems as if it won’t be coming, they’re angry about being tricked into liking the villain.

    If this is true, it’s mind-blowing. Homelander has never been anything but the arch-villain of the entire show. The very first episode ended with him murdering the mayor of Baltimore (by blowing up his plane, no less) to quell a potentially negative news cycle. He is as unequivocally, irredeemably evil as any character you will ever encounter, and the fact that people have been missing this is truly bewildering.

    Not bewildering to me.

    eta, linky:

  7. Scott says:

    Another kind of warfare going on.

    A rather banal press release from DoD. Made me wonder why it was released at all.

    Reports of Disinformation Campaign Against Rare Earth Processing Facilities

    The Department of Defense is aware of the recent disinformation campaign, first reported by Mandiant, against Lynas Rare Earth Ltd., a rare earth element firm seeking to establish production capacity in the United States and partner nations, as well as other rare earth mining companies. The department has engaged the relevant interagency stakeholders and partner nations to assist in reviewing the matter.

    Googling a little more, there is this.

    Pro-China digital campaign targets mining firms – cybersecurity report

    A pro-China propaganda campaign used fake social media accounts to try to stir up opposition, including protests, against mining firms that challenge China’s business interests, U.S.-based cybersecurity firm Mandiant said on Tuesday.

    While politically motivated disinformation campaigns on social media have grown increasingly common, researchers say, such an operation targeting a specific industry of strategic importance to China is rare.

    The digital campaign, known to researchers as Dragonbridge, flooded Twitter and Facebook in recent months with posts raising environmental and health concerns over the operations of three major mining firms: Australia’s Lynas Rare Earths Ltd(LYC.AX), Canada’s Appia Rare Earths and Uranium Corp(API.CD), and USA Rare Earth.

    The present and future of warfare.

  8. Scott says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’ve been watching The Boys since the beginning. It is gloriously demented. It is a total guilty pleasure and makes me laugh every time.

    Apparently, it is a sign of the times that there are disturbed humans out there that will take it seriously.

  9. Scott says:

    Here is Biden completely reversing Trump’s undermining of NATO. It is a long read so I won’t quote the whole press release. Besides reiterating what we have done to support Ukraine militarily, it goes on:

    Today, President Biden announced at the NATO Summit in Madrid the following additional long-term commitments to bolster European security:

    Poland …
    Baltic Region…

    All of these combat-credible forces and enablers are supported by significant investments in the long-term U.S. presence in Europe. In Fiscal Year 2022, DoD continues to execute $3.8 billion in European Deterrence Initiative funding (with another $4.2 billion requested in FY23) for rotational forces, exercises, infrastructure (construction of storage facilities, airfield upgrades, and training complexes) and prepositioned equipment. Our robust exercise program also complements our forces that are forward-stationed or rotating through the theater, and serves to increase our presence while building interoperability with NATO allies.

    FACT SHEET – U.S. Defense Contributions to Europe

  10. Jen says:

    Sounds like a decent group of kids was on that derailed train:

    But Eli was just one of the Scouts helping, he added. Some performed first aid on their own scoutmasters who had been seriously injured. Others hauled passengers on backboards from the crash site to ambulances. When paramedics stopped them from doing that for the more seriously injured patients, the Scouts stripped out parts of the train car that might block rescue workers from getting people out of the wreckage.

    “I teach emergency preparedness and first aid, and I don’t know that I would have thought of that,” Skrypczak said. “They had the demeanor to think of that. [I’m] so very proud of them.

    From WaPo: A Boy Scout escaped Amtrak wreckage and comforted a dying truck driver

  11. Mu Yixiao says:


    I heard about that on local radio. The troop was from Wisconsin, so it made the news around here.

    Amazing kids.

  12. Mu Yixiao says:

    Lunch today is bratwurst tacos.

    #CulturalAppropriation. 😀

  13. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: WA! They’re watching something on Amazon TV and can’t connect the dots. Not exactly rocket surgeons, eh?

  14. Beth says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    Every once in a while, usually when no one else is home, I’ll make myself caned corned beef hash tacos. Mostly because I have terrible taste and am a worse cook.


  15. Mister Bluster says:

    Congratulations to Van Ikner. He needed 400 write in votes to win the Democratic nomination to be on the ballot in November for Illinois State Representative District 118. He got 454. Since there was no other Democratic candidate on the Primary Ballot for that seat the nomination is his.
    Since the 118th Illinois State Represntative District has been recently redrawn Ikner’s Republican opponent will be Paul Jacobs who was the 115th District Representative. The former 118th District Representative Patrick Windhorst is now representing the 117th District.
    The best map that I can find of the new 118th Illinois State House District is here.
    Since the main Democratic stronghold in the new district, Jackson County*, has been chopped up between the newly redrawn 118th and the newly redrawn 115th I will give Van Ikner my vote in November and my best of luck.

    *Jackson County was the only county in Illinois to go for McGovern over Nixon in the 1972 Republican landslide.

  16. Kathy says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    A taco is anything wrapped in a soft cornmeal tortilla.

    So that’s fusion.

  17. Mu Yixiao says:


    A taco is anything wrapped in a soft cornmeal tortilla.

    These were in small flour tortillas.

  18. Mister Bluster says:

    @Kathy:..A taco is anything wrapped in a soft cornmeal tortilla.
    So what have I been eating when I make a chicken taco in a crunchy shell?

  19. Mu Yixiao says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    According to some Latinx-friendly gender-non-determinative white college students in Berkeley, it’s an abomination of cultural appropriation based on a history of genocidal colonialism.

    For the rest of the world, it’s a taco. 🙂

  20. MarkedMan says:

    “Reply All” was one of my favorite podcasts, until it was destroyed from the inside by the purity police. Basically what happened was that there was a movement to unionize and PJ Vogt, one of the two creators of the Podcast long before it joined the Gimlet company, thought that was a bad idea and said so. The more junior employees decided that made him an oppressive white male, using his position of authority to inflict aggressions on them, and after weeks of endless meetings, drove him from the show. It continued on for a while and I tried to give the other host, Alex Goldman, and a third host they had added sometime before the kerfluffle, Emmanuel Dotzi, a chance to figure out the dynamic. It was tough, because what had been an interesting and quirky program about two oddball friends diving down deep into obscure corners of the internet soon became a mishmash of whatever idea some associate producer had that week. It didn’t have the same intimacy or the same vibe. It may be that they eventually found their footing and achieved a balance but before I found out, Gimlet went to Spotify and I couldn’t get it via Apple Podcasts, so I stopped listening. I just found out that Alex and Emmanuel have left the show too. Perhaps the show will continue in some fashion, but as of now there is nowhere to tune in to hear Alex track down why his US based father suddenly had a bunch of charges for Moscow Uber rides when he woke up one morning, or why a particular house in the midwest keeps getting angry visitors looking for their stolen cell phones, or why Alex’s and PJ’s boss (another Alex) is clueless about a tweet that has Hillary Clinton winning an 8-bit video game with a “half-A”.

  21. Kathy says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    Then it’s a burrito or a quesadilla.

    @Mister Bluster:

    Well, it’s not a taco.

  22. Stormy Dragon says:

    Item #1:

    Alabama cites Roe decision in urging court to let state ban trans health care

    Item #2:

    NEW: The Attorney General of Texas, Ken Paxton (R), just said that the Supreme Court should overturn Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down laws that banned LGBTQ people from having sex. If this happened, 16 states have laws banning “sodomy” that would immediately go into effect.— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) June 28, 2022

  23. Mu Yixiao says:


    @Mu Yixiao:
    Then it’s a burrito or a quesadilla.

    Burritos are completely wrapped, tacos are just folded over. And quesadillas require cheese (queso! You heathens in Ciudad de Mexico are completely wrong; the proud tortilla patriots in Juarez understand how it works).

    @Mister Bluster:
    Well, it’s not a taco.

    It’s a taco. Old El Paso says so.

    As WWI started because of a sandwich, herein started the Second Mexican-American War.


  24. Scott says:

    @Stormy Dragon: I wonder if there are any laws left on the books that would apply to the adulterer Ken Paxton.

  25. Mu Yixiao says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    Referencing “cultural appropriation” and “that’s wrong” food…

    Jamie Spafford of SORTEDfood* received actual death threats for making a “paella burrito” on the “ultimate burrito battle” episode.

    He claims he has received threats of violence – including being warned of an axe attack – and he has even been reported to the police over his recipe.

    And this Reddit thread is just wonderful.

    *Look them up on YouTube. They’re absolutely fabulous.

  26. Scott says:


    Then it’s a burrito or a quesadilla.

    San Antonio (America’s Taco Capital) would disagree.

  27. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Scott: I’m gonna have to look it up.

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: Every now and again I get to point and laugh and not feel guilty for it.

  28. Gustopher says:

    Per Fox: Trans skateboarder who won first prize against 13-year-old girl is a combat vet, dad who was rejected from the Olympics

    You go girl!

    Fox is not being particularly supportive of our vets here.

    @Mu Yixiao:

    According to some Latinx-friendly gender-non-determinative white college students in Berkeley, it’s an abomination of cultural appropriation based on a history of genocidal colonialism.

    Find me those Latinx-friendly gender-non-determinative white college students in Berkeley who object, motherfucker.

    “Is a hotdog a sandwich or a taco?” is one of the great debates among the youth, with battle lines drawn haphazardly on issues such as whether the taco shell can be made of bread (the materialists), and whether a hot dog will be transmuted from a taco into a sandwich if the bun splits (the topologists), or whether the initial taco state is immutable (the originalists).

    Many an herb was torched in these debates.

    Also, dandan noodles are deconstructed spaghetti and meatballs.

  29. Gustopher says:


    A taco is anything wrapped in a soft cornmeal tortilla.

    So that’s fusion.

    And an hour later, we will have finally achieved cold fusion.

  30. MarkedMan says:

    @Gustopher: I love the image of The Topologists brawling with The Originalists! 😉

  31. Stormy Dragon says:


    The Sandwich Alignment Chart

    “Radical Sandwich Anarchy” is a favorite phrase of mine ever since I saw it.

  32. Stormy Dragon says:


    I wonder if there are any laws left on the books that would apply to the adulterer Ken Paxton.

    Given he’s been indicted for seven years now with no trial, does it matter?

  33. BugManDan says:

    @Gustopher: Taco = Sandwich = Taco thus a hotdog on a bun is both. A hotdog sans bun, as my daughters prefer them, is neither. It is just solidified old cow soup.

  34. Kathy says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    You can take two slices of Wonder bread, turkey, tomato, and lettuce, and call it a turkey hamburger, too. There’s no equivalent to the Gazpacho police to stop you.

  35. CSK says:

    I may be one of the few people in North America who’s never eaten so much as a slice of Wonder Bread. My mother refused to buy it.

  36. @OzarkHillbilly: I haven’t started the current season, but the idea that anyone didn’t understand that Homelander was the main villain (and, as noted, a truly terrifying one) has some serious comprehension problems (or they might be a neo-Nazi).

  37. Jay L Gischer says:

    @Stormy Dragon:

    “[N]o one — adult or child — has a right to transitioning treatments that is deeply rooted in our Nation’s history and tradition. The State can thus regulate or prohibit those interventions for children, even if an adult wants the drugs for his child,” Marshall wrote in a court document.

    Pro-Life my ass. I’m never calling them that again. This is more like Pro-Hate. Or Pro-People-Just-Like-Me.

    The courts had a lot of work when it came to figuring out how to adjudicate the 14th Amendment. What followed is something Americans can rightly be proud of, and is fairly complex. The courts have developed the three levels, the least of which is “rational basis”. Which is to day, the State is required to have a reasonable reason for placing restrictions on some subgroup of citizens.

    But there is no rational basis here for restricting care for trans children – just as there is no rational basis for restricting access to early term abortions. There is only a religious basis-the belief that a 5-week-old blastocyst has a soul.

    This piece shows just how terrible the reasoning in this opinion is.

  38. wr says:

    @Gustopher: “Find me those Latinx-friendly gender-non-determinative white college students in Berkeley who object, motherfucker.”

    Oh, there may be one or two of them. And then they are used constantly by smug conservatives who cry “cancel culture” while ignoring Republican legislatures literally determining what can be said at college campuses and firing those who won’t toe their line.

    But remember, if you mention this, it’s because you have no sense of humor.

  39. wr says:

    @Steven L. Taylor: “I haven’t started the current season,”

    In the first two seasons he was a proto-fascist, but in the third he becomes Donald Trump, even holding board meetings where everyone present goes around the table to say what an honor it is to serve under him and firing anyone in the company who is competent in favor of those who will cover up and flatter.

  40. wr says:

    @MarkedMan: “Reply All” was one of my favorite podcasts, until it was destroyed from the inside by the purity police. Basically what happened was that there was a movement to unionize”

    Let’s see if I correctly understand this terrible injustice that happened to you.

    There was a bit of free entertainment that you liked listening to. But apparently some percentage of those involved in making this entertainment felt they were being so badly mistreated they needed to unionize, despite the huge obstacles the government and corporations put in the way of that. The fight got ugly, presumably because the owners didn’t want to let the workers organize, and eventually one of the entertainers whose work you enjoyed left.

    Man, it sucks when those purity police destroy your fun simply because they are risking their livelihoods and careers to fight for a better work environment for themselves and every other worker. You have every right to be bitter.

  41. Mu Yixiao says:


    Find me those Latinx-friendly gender-non-determinative white college students in Berkeley who object, motherfucker.

    I’m not sure if you understood that I was being facetious, and I’m not sure if you are being facetious with this comment. Sarcasm on the internet being what it is. 🙂

    But… while I was using hyperbole (and ticking off all the buzz words I could think of), there are people out there who have that attitude. The story that comes to mind was two women who spent a year traveling through Mexico learning how to make tortillas from old grandmothers, then took that knowledge back to Portland (IIRC) and opened a food truck. The backlash they got from some extremists was so bad that they had to shut down.

    Yep. Found it. Portland. Death threats over “cultural appropriation” of tortilla recipies.

    Then there was the incident I posted about above with Jamie Spafford getting death threats about a paella burrito.

    I’ve read about other such incidents, but don’t have enough info (or energy) to search for them. It’s not common, it’s not pervasive, but there are just enough “culture warriors” out there to make a stink (and death threats! WTF??) and make people afraid.

  42. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steven L. Taylor: (or they might be a neo-Nazi).

    Ding ding ding ding… I think we have a winner! Neo Nazis by and large are not the brightest bulbs in the box. If they were, they wouldn’t be Neo Nazis.

  43. CSK says:

    Stephen Breyer is retiring as of tomorrow.

  44. Beth says:

    @Stormy Dragon:
    @Jay L Gischer:

    Wow, they really want us dead. That’s what they mean by history and tradition, dead queers, everyone else knows their place. I’m guessing that most of the Confederacy will be absolutely off-limits to people like me soon.

    I’m so glad I got my surgery scheduled before the end of the year. We’re about to find out what explicit fascism is like.

  45. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @wr: That was depressing.

  46. MarkedMan says:


    Let’s see if I correctly understand this terrible injustice that happened to you.

    Nope! Wrong in all important respects.

    Some of the employees wanted to unionize. I’m always for unions and wished them the best with that. One of the employees, not an owner (but maybe management? You would know better than me if talent is considered management on a show) thought unionizing was a mistake and thought he should be allowed to speak out just like anyone else. They disagreed with his thoughts on unionization and I have no problem with them telling him he was full of BS. But he was a white male, older than most of the employees and he failed to see that his negative attitudes towards unionization was really an aggression against people of color, and he needed to acknowledge his white privilege and apologize to all, over and over again, but it was never enough and required so many, many meetings and eventually he just left. Complicating this was the fact that another person forced to bow and scrape and profess their sins to the People’s Committee and who eventually had enough and left was a woman of color. But she was the head producer (executive producer? Main producer?), so I assume she was management (?). And she wasn’t African American, but came by her color another way. And so she was deemed equally privileged and equally in a state of perpetual sin.

    Hey, nothing lasts forever and it had 6 good years, an eon in Podcast years. It may have gone down the toilet anyway, or if not on its own, then been driven there by the Spotify crap. So I’m only mildly grousing about that aspect. But I don’t hold that there are people who, by the color of their skin or their sex or their age, are not allowed to express an opinion but are only there to obsequiously defer to others. And if they disagree they must be humiliated and then ejected. It’s disgusting behavior. So yes, that part pisses me off.

    And to be honest, despite all of this I hope that all the younger employees fared well as it shrunk in audience and, so I presume, staff. And for the second time in just over a year they are going on sabbatical and will return some undetermined months later with different leads and a somewhat different format. I think it’s likely that will go about as well as it does when TV shows go through the same type of turmoil, and I sincerely hope that when the show folds they all land on their feet and are able to get jobs at Gimlet or somewhere else as good or better.

  47. Gustopher says:

    @Stormy Dragon: The claim that a pop tart is a sandwich is just wrong. It’s a ravioli — Filling between two sheets of wheat product, sealed at all edges.

  48. Gustopher says:

    @Mu Yixiao: Is Berkeley part of Portland? No it is not. My point stands.

  49. Mikey says:

    RE: tortillas.

    I’m visiting my daughter in Tucson and she introduced me to Sonoran tortillas. What a revelation. Now I will never enjoy a standard flour tortilla again.

  50. Mikey says:

    @Steven L. Taylor: Wait…there are people who didn’t get that Homelander is the bad guy? That was obvious like three episodes into Season 1. Wow.

  51. Kathy says:


    I’m less pessimistic about this, given the 2020 decision, where Gorsuch and Roberts joined Breyer, Kagan, Sotomayor, and Ginsburg, to the effect that Title VII applies to LGBTQ+ people.

    I’m not optimistic about it. Just less pessimistic. Optimism died with Roe.

  52. Mu Yixiao says:


    @Mu Yixiao: Is Berkeley part of Portland? No it is not. My point stands.

    You have no sense of humor and don’t understand over-the-top blatant satire. Got it.

    But why, oh why, would I choose Berkeley as my stereotypical “progressive” campus? Gee… I don’t know… let me think:

    Progressive/very liberal. 37% · Liberal. 48% · Moderate. 9% · Conservative. 2% · Libertarian. 0% · Not sure. 5%

    We’re having a fun, playful argument about “what is a taco?” and you throw in “motherfucker” at me because I described a fictitious stereotype? Seriously?

    Now you go sit in the corner. There will be no peanut butter and jelly lamb tacos or halal vegan mojitos for you until you think about what you’ve done and learn how to play with others.

  53. Mu Yixiao says:


    I’m very fortunate in that I can love a well-crafted specialty food, but still enjoy the cheap version.

    For example: When I was in China, there were a few times that I really wanted lasagna*. I was able to get the pasta at a German grocery store (Metro), ground/minced pork at the supermarket (no ground beef for a 1000 km radius), and all the veg at the local “traditional market” (“farmers’ market” for you city folk).**

    But cheese? I could get very little good cheese over there (but somehow found Colby from Wisconsin!), so I made my lasagna with a European version of Kraft Singles.

    Give me a home-made tortilla and I will relish it. But for stuff I’m making on a Tuesday night after work? The La Bandarita tortillas I get at the Piggly Wiggly are just fine.

    * Interesting. Spell check doesn’t accept “lasagne” as a valid spelling.

    ** Though it was always fun to watch the “aunties” who were shopping at the same time as me, as they watched me buying several kilos of tomatoes (to cook down into sauce). I’d just smile and say “Mei Guo cai” (American food) or “Mo Xi Ge cai” (Mexican food), and they’d go “Ahhh!” and nod and smile, and go back to their shopping.

  54. Beth says:


    I wish I could share your lesser pessimism, but I think Bostock was an abberation due to Gorsuch being a crank.

    I’m pretty sure what’s going to happen is that Paxton is going to persecute someone for being gay. the Texas court will agree, forcing the defendant to appeal. A radically different SCOTUS will say that gay sex is not protected under our “history and traditions” and therefore Lawrence is overruled. The question will be whether or not they immediately overrule Obergafell at the same time.

    Another thing about the “history and tradition” crap that Alabama and others are/will be peddling is that so called “anti-crossdressing” laws are quite prevalent and long standing.

    These will be used against us. This is why it will eventually be illegal for me to be present in many states. As will traveling with my meds.

  55. Just nutha says:

    @Beth: Hey! I would eat those.

  56. Just nutha says:

    @Mister Bluster: Congratulations!

  57. Gustopher says:

    @Mu Yixiao: Dude, it was just a joke. Why are you sensitive?

  58. Just nutha says:

    @Beth: Congratulations to you, too! Two people here getting what they wanted! A red letter day!

  59. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    Hey, Beth, I frequently bought canned corned beef from prison commissary because I could avoid the ptomaine and botulism laden kitchen. If we’d only had tortillas I’d have been set. Had to make do with Ritz crackers. OTOH, I also drank shine made from fermented and distilled grapefruit. Yes, hangover was lethal. But the lifer’s club did make me an honorary member, so it was all good.

    Yes, my earlier life made herding attorneys relatively easy, and the pay wasn’t half bad.

  60. Just nutha says:

    @Gustopher: He doesn’t get internet humor? Someone else had the same problem yesterday. Hmmm…

  61. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    And in further news that not all is wrong with the world, I would note that purported singer R. Kelly has been sentenced to 30 years in prison. Well I’m glad I’m not there, it certainly will be interesting when he introduces himself to his fellow inmates. I’m imagining it’ll go something like this:

    RK I’m R Kelly, I’m a rich successful singer/mogul.

    Inmates Response: no you’re my b****.

    See, not everything sucks!

  62. Mister Bluster says:

    Illinois Republican Governor Primary
    Richard “I’m their worst nightmare” Irvin, backed by one Republican Millionaire and who led the field in early May came in third losing to Trump backed State Senator Darren Bailey who is backed by another Republican Millionaire. Bailey 58%. Third place Irvin 15%.

    While I can not predict the future I can guess that incumbent Democratic Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker will be reelected in November.

  63. Mister Bluster says:

    @Just nutha:..Congratulations!..

    I can only take credit for one vote.
    There are 453 other Illinoians out there equally responsible for this victory.

  64. Mu Yixiao says:


    Dude. I specifically asked if it was a joke, and you doubled down on the “being nebulous”.

    And… I denied you PB&J lamb tortillas and told you to go sit in the corner. You think that’s me being serious?

  65. Beth says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    I can’t tell you how happy I am that Irvin lost and Griffen got chased out of the state. I hope he gets one ass cheek bit off by an alligator.

    As for Pritzker, I have a friend who’s a devoted communist and does nothing but bitch about how stupid and awful Democrats are. She loves him and will be voting for him. How did we get lucky enough to get a billionaire governor who isn’t incompetent and trying to steal everything?

    @Just nutha:

    Thanks. I cried and blasted the Star Wars soundtracks on my way home. At least once I get it done they can’t take it away from me.

    @Flat Earth Luddite:

    That sounds intense.

  66. Mu Yixiao says:

    I leave you with my #CulturalAppropriationDinner:

    Cultural Appropriation Tacos (they needed some Sriracha).

    Flour tortillas (Mexico)
    Fried in olive oil (Italy)
    Tzatziki sauce (Greece)
    Leftover shakshuka (Israel)
    Mozzarella (Italy)
    Chicken drumsticks seasoned with Lawry’s (American)
    Kimchi (Korea)
    Spritzed with lime juice (Florida (that’s a foreign culture…right?)

    Washed down with Orange Pekoe iced tea (China)
    And followed by a Scotch made in the USA.

  67. Just nutha says:

    @Mu Yixiao: How about lao gan ma instead of sriracha?

  68. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    Well, I deserved every minute of the nickel, but 40 years later, I’m largely content with my life. I joke with Cracker that the idea that I spent 30+years in law after that is a sign of true mental illness.

  69. Mimai says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite:
    In such contexts, attempts to achieve mastery can be a sign of mental illness or health. Depends on the nature (and in some sense, “success”) of the attempts.

    [sorry to butt in on your conversation with Beth]

  70. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    No no no, no need to apologize. Somehow I missed the exit ramp. An attorney I’ve known for decades once said I suffer from obsessive compulsive AND anal retentive disorders, and I’d require meds if I worked for non lawyers. Personally, I thought law was “the great game,” and I (mostly) had way more fun than allowed on a workday.

    Spent a lot of time reading and navel gazing in my cell, and a significant time with a shrink after I got out.

    I wasn’t the typical con. But aside from Cracker (who knew me years earlier) and SWMBO, never a topic for discussion, except for my over sharing here. L

  71. Jen says:

    @Mu Yixiao:

    followed by a Scotch made in the USA.

    As long as we’re all being cranky/pedantic/tongue-in-cheek, isn’t “Scotch” by definition always made in Scotland? It’d be a whiskey (with an ‘e’) made in the USA, no?

  72. Mu Yixiao says:


    As long as we’re all being cranky/pedantic/tongue-in-cheek, isn’t “Scotch” by definition always made in Scotland?

    I was mistaken on this one. It’s actually bottled in Scotland from a distillery in Glasgow.

    @Just nutha:

    How about lao gan ma instead of sriracha?

    From a cultural appropriation angle, that would be better. But from a flavor angle… nah. Sriracha.

    There are limits to how far I’ll go. 🙂

  73. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Mu Yixiao: Fair enough! I don’t care for lao gan ma either. Or sriracha for that matter. Got used to gochujang in Korea and prefer either it or Tabasco (capitalized to indicate the brand). But I don’t do spicy often.