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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. CSK says:
  2. Kingdaddy says:

    The Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court used the Bible to justify the recent “embryos are people” decision:

    Especially read the concurring opinion of Chief Justice Tom Parker on the meaning of the Alabama Constitution, which declares that “it is the public policy of this state to recognize and support the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children, including the right to life.” Parker cites Genesis (man is created “in the image of God”), the prophet Jeremiah (“Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you”), Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and other Christian thinkers to support his view that the state constitution adopts a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life.”

    It’s also worth reading about the consequences of that decision.

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  3. MarkedMan says:

    @Kingdaddy: I’ve always thought that there is a tendency to assume we don’t have to continuously and vigorously fight for our liberties because “the system” will mitigate the extremists. This unhinged Alabama decision starkly demonstrates the consequences of that laxity.

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  4. Jen says:

    I guess I’m sort of surprised that people didn’t see this ruling coming. It’s a completely logical outgrowth of the war on abortion rights. Those of us who pointed out the potential ramifications for fertility clinics were derided as alarmist and hyperbolic.

    Saying “we told you so” isn’t satisfying. It’s sad.

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  5. CSK says:

    @Kingdaddy:

    Your consequences link doesn’t seem to work.

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  6. Tony W says:

    @Jen: Not to worry, I’m sure Susan Collins is deeply disappointed.

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  7. Mikey says:

    @Kingdaddy: All that inane blather about “the sanctity of life” from a state Supreme Court that allowed this.

    When Alabama stops sentencing more people to death per capita than any other state, they can talk about the sanctity of life. Otherwise it’s just blatant hypocrisy.

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  8. Kathy says:

    @CSK:

    It’s not really that uncommon.

    There are two speeds to mind in this context. Airspeed, the seed at which a plane moves through the air (or the air moves past the plane), and ground speed, the speed at which the plane moves relative to the surface of the Earth.

    The high speeds here were ground speeds, which is common with high speed tail winds. But the airspeed of these flights was normal.

    That said, airspeed gets counter intuitive on takeoff and landing. A stiff headwind, for example, might not be a barrier for takeoff. It does push the plane back, but also provides much high speed air over the wings to generate lift. A mild tail wind does the opposite, and can stall a plane at landing speeds.

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  9. Kingdaddy says:
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    @Kingdaddy:

    That works. Thanks.

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  11. Moosebreath says:

    @Mikey:

    “When Alabama stops sentencing more people to death per capita than any other state, they can talk about the sanctity of life. Otherwise it’s just blatant hypocrisy.”

    When Alabama stops refusing Federal money to provide medical care to poor people…

    When Alabama stops refusing Federal funds to provide summertime lunches to poor children…

    When Alabama politicians have something other than “thoughts and prayers” to offer to prevent people being killed by guns….

    etc., etc.

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  12. Michael Cain says:

    @Kathy:
    Long ago I met an old rancher in outstate Nebraska who had a small, slow, lightweight plane. He told me that when he was young and foolish he had taken it up one windy day and when pointed into the wind with airspeed just above stalling, his ground speed was negative.

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  13. Scott says:

    @Jen: @MarkedMan: @Kingdaddy:

    This is all part and parcel of the push to put some people’s “religious liberties” over anybody else’s rights.

    Alito renews criticism of Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage ruling in rejecting Missouri jury case

    Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito renewed his criticism Tuesday of the high court’s landmark same-sex marriage ruling, addressing it in a five-page statement as part of an order explaining why the court declined to hear a case involving a Missouri lawsuit.

    The case in question, the Missouri Department of Corrections v. Jean Finney, involved a dispute where jurors were dismissed from the employment discrimination case after they voiced religious concerns about same-sex relationships.

    In his statement Tuesday, Alito said he agrees with the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear the Missouri lawsuit but said it “exemplifies the danger” that he anticipated in the 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges case.

    “Namely, that Americans who do not hide their adherence to traditional religious beliefs about homosexual conduct will be ‘labeled as bigots and treated as such’ by the government,” he wrote.

    As I wrote yesterday WRT Christian Nationalism: It coming, folks. Don’t be surprised. They are going to go all the way back to Griswold.

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  14. Kathy says:

    @Michael Cain:

    Some small planes with a propeller in the nose, can produce enough wind with the prop to lift off the plane at low ground speeds, or even when it’s standing still.

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  15. JohnMc says:

    @Kathy: There’s a story read long ago that when the first B29 strikes were made they were based in China (which is true). And they were astonished to arrive over target a hour or more early, only to take that long on their return. They had discovered the jet stream (that’s prob’ly questionable from more recent reading).

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  16. Kathy says:

    @CSK:

    One is that it would hugely complicate IVF. Any embryos left over would have to be put up for adoption for other people trying to conceive, or kept frozen indefinitely. Discarding them or using them for research would be murder. Selling them would be illegal, too.

    Also, IVF procedures often implant 2 to 5 embryos because many fail to attach. This can lead to multiple births, but far more often the result is a single birth. But if each embryo is a person, then this surely constitutes murder.

    And this is not an issue for IVF alone. Research shows many times an embryo coming down the Fallopian tubes to the uterus won’t attach to the uterine lining. And there are other types of natural miscarriages. Whom do you jail for this? The Christian God(s)?

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  17. Kathy says:

    @JohnMc:

    The B29 was the first large pressurized airplane made in large numbers. It flew higher than the older B17 and B24 bombers did. So maybe they did run into some phenomena higher up in the atmosphere before others did.

    On the other hand, high altitude atmospheric research using balloons predates the B29. But there were far more heavy bombers flying over far more atmospheric volume than could be observed with balloons.

    So, it’s plausible.

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  18. OzarkHillbilly says:

    In response to my anti Church rant the other day, I am given this:

    Texas: Roman Catholic priest faces child sexual abuse and trafficking charges

    Still not a drag queen.

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  19. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kingdaddy: the state constitution adopts a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life.”

    That should make it easy for the USSC to overrule it on 1st Amendment grounds, just not this not very Supreme Court.

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  20. Scott says:

    @Scott: BTW, what is the status of the cases that reproduction restrictions are a violation of specific people’s religious rights?

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  21. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JohnMc: It is “common knowledge” that the B-29s discovered the jet stream, tho I had not hears it was by planes based in China.

    “Common knowledge” in quotes because while I have heard that in many documentary shorts on the B-29 I can’t recall whether I have read it in any of the books I have read about them. (my old man flew B-29s in WWII and Korea so it’s a bit of an obsession with me)

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  22. gVOR10 says:

    @Michael Cain: @Kathy: Until catapults and arresting gear allowed heavier, faster airplanes, this was how aircraft carriers worked. Even the low stall speed airplanes of the 20s and 30s (or one of Doolittle’s B-25s) couldn’t accelerate to takeoff speed in the short length of the flight deck, but crank up the speed of the ship and turn into the wind and acceleration + wind speed + ship speed was enough.

    It’s also a reason our B-29s shifted from high altitude daylight bombing of specific Japanese targets to low altitude night bombing of cities. At 30,000 feet they were relatively safe from flak and fighters, but they might get into the jet stream, the wind that allows those commercial jets to make fast ground speed. There were reports of B-29s seeming motionless over the ground. But bomb sights couldn’t compensate for the unknown varying wind the bombs would pass through while falling six miles out of the jet stream.

    ETA: Howdy, Ozark, a tie. I’ve read in various serious history books that it was a factor in LeMay’s decision to go low. Wiley Post is usually mentioned as discovering the jet stream before WWII.

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  23. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: But if each embryo is a person, then this surely constitutes murder.

    Following that logic to it’s inevitable conclusion, God is the greatest mass murderer of all time.

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  24. Kathy says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    If the Bible is true and inerrant, this was established in the Flood.

    Then confirmed in the first Passover.

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  25. Kathy says:

    @gVOR10:

    Carriers still turn into the wind for air operations. I don’t know if they accelerate the ship, though. For that matter airport runways are laid out so the known prevalent winds will go provide headwinds.

    Winds vary, however. So it’s common to lay runways in several directions, to close some temporarily for adverse winds, and to change take off and landing directions according to changing winds.

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  26. MarkedMan says:

    @Moosebreath: @Scott: (This reply will eventually be about the Alabama decision, I swear)

    When I was younger, for a time I was fascinated by paradoxes, whether verbal, visual or sound based. But I gradually came to believe there is no such thing as a paradox, merely that we misapply an analogy that, while useful, can never perfectly map to the real world. We haven’t created a 3D waterway that seems of flow uphill, but rather discovered where the tricks of drawing a 3D object on 2D surface breaks down. And over the years I’ve gradually expanded this observation to things other than paradoxes. It boils down to this: if someone continuously does something that seems to defy common sense, it is possible that they are incompetent or crazy, but it is more likely that I am misapplying my values framework on them. What is ridiculous by my values may make perfect sense if I apply theirs. Which brings me to the Alabama decision. (See! I promised!)

    If you think the primary role of government is to make it easier for people to live their lives in peace, enjoy as much personal freedom as possible without encroaching on others’ freedom, obtain needed healthcare without being cheated or tricked, determine whether a person or company is legitimate or not, and a thousand other things that I happen to believe is at least the partial purview of government, then this ruling flies in the face of all of that. But instead if you believe that the primary role of government is to preserve the position and wealth of the powerful and that the best method of doing that is to enforce a strict social hierarchy according to an arbitrary ranking of groups, and to do so by goading the people even slightly higher up the hierarchy to view those lower down as the cause of all problems, then this decision makes sense. It sets hierarchies: A highly specific form of “christianity” on top. Women under the control of others, especially but not solely men. Setting groups against each other.

    Makes perfect sense.

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  27. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    @Kingdaddy:

    ***
    @Flat Earth Luddite:

    ***
    Late to the daily, but I read top to bottom usually, and commented here first. But now it’s time for coffee. And to cower under my blankies and keep thinking, “nah…”

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  28. Paul L. says:

    Government protects Government.
    Qualified, Prosecutorial and Judicial Immunity.

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  29. Moosebreath says:

    @MarkedMan:

    “But instead if you believe that the primary role of government is to preserve the position and wealth of the powerful and that the best method of doing that is to enforce a strict social hierarchy according to an arbitrary ranking of groups, and to do so by goading the people even slightly higher up the hierarchy to view those lower down as the cause of all problems, then this decision makes sense.”

    While I am not going to argue with that comment, it adds a new layer to their hypocrisy, as that statement is diametrically opposed to Jesus’s teachings.

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  30. Paul L. says:
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    @Moosebreath:

    that statement is diametrically opposed to Jesus’s teachings

    That’s why I didn’t capitalize “christianity” and put it in quotes. I think I was a teenager when I realized ol’ Jeebus was really onto something when he observed that those who display their religiosity the most are the most likely to be complete phonies. Of course, it doesn’t just extend to religion.

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  32. Paul L. says:

    @MarkedMan:
    Introduction to Political Science page 406.

    A government can be defined as a set of organizations, with their associated rules and procedures, that has the authority to exercise the widest scope of power—the ability to impose its will on others to secure desired outcomes—over a defined area. Government authority includes the power to have the final say over when the use of force is acceptable, and governments seek to exercise their authority with legitimacy…
    A government both claims the right and has the ability to exercise power over all people in a defined geographic area.

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  33. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Paul L.: Thanx for the additional data point! Still not a drag queen.

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  34. just nutha says:

    @Paul L.: So what’s your end comment owning to: an assumption based on a bias or making sh*t up?

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  35. Scott says:

    Once upon a time, conservatives decried government bullying. This is what authoritarianism really looks like.

    Ken Paxton sues to revoke an El Paso nonprofit’s state registration after it didn’t immediately hand over client records

    A Catholic nonprofit that operates several shelters in El Paso sued the Office of the Attorney General earlier this month to delay the release of records after the state agency demanded the immediate release of extensive documentation about the immigrant clients that it serves along the border.

    The Consumer Protection Division of the attorney general’s office launched an investigation into Annunciation House on Feb. 7, demanding the release of documentation within one day, the small nonprofit requested an extension to review what information the organization was legally required to turn over.

    The state denied the extension, so the Catholic nonprofit sued the state, requesting a court rule on which documents the group must hand over to the attorney general. Additionally, to buy time, Annunciation House also requested a restraining order against the attorney general to grant the Catholic organization relief from the state’s immediate demands.

    In turn, Attorney General Ken Paxton announced his office was suing the organization for failing to comply with the demand and suggested the religious nonprofit of “worsening illegal immigration.” If a judge sides with the state, the lawsuit could prevent the group from operating in Texas, which it’s done since 1976.

    Also a violation of religious rights.

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  36. DK says:

    @Paul L.:
    Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

    Article doesn’t mention it, but the liable rapist is the leader of the Republican Party — and someone who has praised Jeff Epstein and repeatedly sexualized his own daughter.

    And still not a drag queen, either.

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  37. Paul L. says:

    @just nutha:
    How the media reports crimes by Politicians.
    Republican is mentioned in the 1st paragraph.
    Democrat is mentioned after the middle of the article or not at all.

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  38. Paul L. says:

    @DK:
    liable rapist

    A jury found Trump viable for sexual assault because she could not identify if Trump inserted his finger or penis .. Kaplin said, that was a technicality.. to all intense and purposes it was rape.

    So Nifong should not dropped the rape charges against the credibly accused?
    I can use the same credibly accused talking points for the accusers E. Jean Carroll, Christine Blasey Ford, UVA/Rolling Stone Jackie Coakley and Duke Lacrosse Crystal Gail Mangum.
    Some are more credibly with a specific date, time and location.

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  39. DK says:

    @Paul L.: Yeah, you certainly can use some irrelevant talking point from 2006. Won’t change a single vote in 2024.

    Back to 2024, where Republicans keep losing elections, Traitor Trump is a liable rapist who bragged about grabbing the crotches of other men’s wives, proudly admitted walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants, praised Jeff Epstein, and repeatedly made disgusting comments about his sexual attraction to his own then-underage child.

    Perverted orange pedophile Trump is your king? Big yikes.

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  40. JohnMc says:

    @Paul L.:
    Q — is that you?!

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  41. Daryl says:

    I haven’t been around much lately and so i don’t know if the arrest of this guy Smirnov has been discussed. He’s the long time FBI informant who fed the House Committees Russian lies about Biden and his son.
    So bottom line, Gym Jordan and Comer Fudd colluded with a Russian Agent to try and remove a sitting US President. Seems like this should get a lot of attention.

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  42. Kathy says:

    So as not to derail the thread on the latest idiocy from Alabama, I’ll post about what constitutes life here.

    There are a number of criteria to label things alive or not alive. There is no one simple definition. One can say life engages in metabolic activity. but then viruses and most seeds would not be alive. Another is whatever is capable of biological activity, such as self-powered movement, reproduction, metabolism, etc., even when dormant. This includes seeds and viruses, but also computer viruses.

    So we can add “carbon-based” to the definition above. Ok. This excludes computer viruses, but what about amino acids and proteins? Get amino acids together and they’ll coalesce into proteins. Some proteins can change the shapes of other proteins, so they’ll be like the first protein. We call them prions. and they are involved in certain brain diseases like mad cow disease.

    This all illustrates Kathy’s First Law: Biology is messy.

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  43. MarkedMan says:

    Just a personal pet peeve: tomorrow I have to drop someone off at National Airport and it always sticks in my craw when I see the sign. All we needed to know about the Republican Party was demonstrated by their intense desire to kick the Air Traffic Controllers Ronnie Reagan fired in the balls and strut around in a dominance display by re-naming the DC airport for the former Screen Actors Guild union head who was secretly informing on his membership to the House Unamerican Activities and the FBI. Shitty people doing shitty things.

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  44. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy: Not to mention that there are different understandings of what “alive” means, or perhaps a better way of putting it is that there are different gradations of “alive”, ranging from the “self aware entity” down to “cell”. Even by those gradations, there are many that consider viruses not alive.

    As for me, I wonder if ants are alive in any useful moral or philosophical definition of the word.

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  45. Paul L. says:

    @MarkedMan:
    Joseph R. McCarthy was right but too much of a drunk to get the communists.
    FBI are not the heroes that they and the DOJ claim they are?
    Jack Smith, special counsel in classified documents case, defends his work

    “In conclusion, I would like to thank the dedicated public servants of the Federal Bureau of Investigation with whom my office is conducting this investigation and who worked tirelessly every day upholding the rule of law in our country.

    “I’m deeply proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. Thank you very much.”

    Hilarious Gina Carano is using the Hollywood California communist protection laws to sue Lucasfilm, Disney for wrongful termination.

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  46. Kathy says:

    Lardass has been making 8th amendment noises.

    I could go into why it doesn’t apply, as he hasn’t been asked to post bail, he hasn’t been fined, and he’s not being punished, but instead I’ll state the following:

    Fraud lawsuits are good and easy to win, and Lardass will pay for them.

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  47. Jen says:

    @Daryl: I mean yeah, you’d think it would, especially since he’s been released from pretrial detention.

    I hope he stays away from windows.

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  48. Paul L. says:

    @DK:
    Since events from 2006/2007 are old news and not worth mentioning.
    When did Trump do those acts you listed?

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  49. Kathy says:

    @MarkedMan:

    About the least messy definition of “life” I can come up with is a Campbell Jr style diktat: life is what biologists study*.

    If we go from definitions to categories, and define cells as the least unit of life, leaving out prions and viruses but not seeds, we come up on questions like “are the cell’s components alive’ You know, chromosomes, ribosomes, genes, cell membranes, etc. And what about mitochondria, which have a genome of their own and reproduce in their own time and not the cell’s?

    I don’t think nature likes shortcuts.

    *Taken from “Science fiction is what science fiction editors buy”

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  50. wr says:

    The FBI arrested Al Capone.
    Al Capone was Italian.
    Samuel Alito is Italian.
    Duke lacrosse rape trial.

    Sorry, trying to think like Paul L for a moment to see if I could understand him, but it’s all still just a mess of incoherent words.

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  51. Daryl says:

    @Daryl:
    Oh yeah, I forgot, also a Chinese Agent – Gal Luft, I think was his name.

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  52. DK says:

    @Paul L.: Trump will be a major party nominee for president in 2024. Unlike those from 2006/2007 you’re obsessing over, in your desperation to change the subject from Republicans lining up behind a rapist and unlikeable career criminal who wants to bang his own daughter. Yuck.

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  53. Paul L. says:

    @DK:

    Looks at every basic element of due process in a civil case and says “Yeah, we’re going to take the under consideration” i.e ignore it. requiring Trump’s attorney to pre-vett questions to limit what he says. To limiting the questions they can ask of E. Jean Caroll. Limiting Discovery and just frankly looking at a bunch of inconsistencies that are not allowed to be pointed out in E. Jean Caroll’s story.

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  54. Paul L. says:

    @wr:
    #MeToo logic.
    Believe all women.
    The trauma of rape mean that women will make mistakes in their recall of events.
    There are no false rape allegations. (except when the accused is a powerful democrat)
    Prosecutors and Police never commit misconduct.

    Duke lacrosse rape trial.
    THAT SUBJECT IS VERBOTEN!!! Amanda Marcotte statement: “I do not support Mike Nifong’s choices in this case and wish generally that rape cases could be handled with due process instead of tried by a public that has politicized what should be a matter for the criminal justice system. Any suggestion that I feel any way about this case outside of that is false.”

    It is my view that like Covid, the people who were wrong refuse to acknowledge it and pretend they were right all along.

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  55. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Paul L.:
    Trump is a rapist.

    You’re a pimp for that rapist.

    So how about shut the fuck up about rape.

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  56. gVOR10 says:

    @Kathy: IIRC it was Marked Man who remarked that many arguments come down to what words mean. Anyone who says “life begins at conception” should be challenged to define what he means by life. Occasionally you could get one of the naive holy rollers to say it was because that’s when God implanted a soul. Most anti-abortionists avoided saying that as it put the issue obviously on the wrong side of church/state. Seems like the guy who wrote the opinion in question was betting it’s no longer obvious to the current Supremes.

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  57. Kathy says:

    How about we all agree to stop feeding the troll, until the Wizard grants him some minimal reading comprehension skills.

    Meantime, I’ve decided to try a second version of bean soup. The first iteration was fine, but it definitely needs some black beans as well as the lighter beans I used.

    One thing I wanted to add was marrow bones. I couldn’t find any then for some reason. usually the stores have plenty. I’m less sure whether I want to add shredded chicken this time. That would be more like a bean-chicken stew.

    We’ll see. It’s still only Wednesday.

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  58. DK says:

    @Paul L.:

    Believe all women.

    Or believe rapist Trump’s own words, where he himself admitted walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants, he himself admitted grabbing the private parts of other men’s wives, he himself praised Jeff Epstein as a “terrific guy,” and he himself admitted he finds his daughter sexually attractive. Gross.

    Or is it that Trump never commits misconduct — despite his repeated admissions that he is a pervert, pedophile, and serial sex criminal?

    And by all means, if the MAGA plan to sell this demented orange groomer to voters in 2024 is running on something something Mike Nifong, they should do so. I could only hope the right would settle on a strategy even more useless and self-defeating than their current one of defending the Jan 6 terrorists, blocking their own border bill, and conspiring with Putin against the US and its allies.

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  59. DrDaveT says:

    @Scott:

    “Namely, that Americans who do not hide their adherence to traditional religious beliefs about homosexual conduct will be ‘labeled as bigots and treated as such’ by the government,” he wrote.

    Now, substitute “miscegenation” for “homosexual conduct”, step back in time 70 years, and now you understand the mind of Alito.

    Yes, Sam — bigots will be recognized as such, no matter how traditional their bigotry.

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  60. DrDaveT says:

    @MarkedMan:

    I have to drop someone off at National Airport and it always sticks in my craw when I see the sign

    You’ll love this story then. A few years ago I was riding the metro home, and we passed through National Airport station. The signs had recently been modified to read “Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport”. A kid a couple of rows behind me turned to the woman beside him and asked: “Mom, who was Ronald Reagan Washington?”

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  61. Gustopher says:

    @Paul L.:

    Qualified, Prosecutorial and Judicial Immunity.

    Corned beef, pastrami, and salami.

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  62. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy: This particular troll is more than just annoying. A quick scan tells me he is going on about rape again. There is something dangerous and wrong with that obsession, and goading him into anger and frustration about it seems irresponsible to me.

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  63. MarkedMan says:

    @DrDaveT: The sooner he sinks into history’s oblivion the better. Move over Martin Van Buren and Rutherford B Hayes!

    Although I have to admit when I posted that he was an FBI and HUAC informant, I did it from memory, only looking up to see which organization he cooperated with (it was both). But after I posted I read a few of the articles more closely and have to admit that it appears I was unjust to him. As much as I dislike him and find him morally repugnant, in his role as inside man he doesn’t appear to have said anything in private that he wasn’t saying publicly. He was publicly anti-communist, and knew from personal experience that American Communists had taken over two organizations he served on and were using it to launch diatribes against the President and other government officials and to denounce capitalism. He disagree with this vehemently and resigned and spoke publicly about his reasons for resigning. He also did privately talk to the FBI and HUAC when they came calling but the records indicate he didn’t really have much more to say than what he had said publicly.

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  65. Kathy says:

    @gVOR10:

    There’s biology, and then there’s psychology and sociology (also messy), and philosophy (net, but limited in most cases*).

    What the debate concerns is what level of development constitutes an individual human life with all the rights legally and morally attached. This can be argued endlessly, too, even if we confine ourselves to verifiable, scientific facts.

    America had a reasonable compromise. Much of the rest of the world still regards viability as a reasonable cutoff point, with some reasonable exceptions added. One can hope for a return to sanity, but that seems unlikely any time soon.

    *Have you ever heard of anyone calling for a task force of philosophers to solve some real problem?

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  66. Mister Bluster says:

    “If you’re not ready to die for it, put the word ‘freedom’ out of your vocabulary.”
    — Malcolm X

    Assassinated on this day in 1965.

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  67. Scott says:

    @Kathy:

    America had a reasonable compromise. Much of the rest of the world still regards viability as a reasonable cutoff point, with some reasonable exceptions added. One can hope for a return to sanity, but that seems unlikely any time soon.

    Don’t know why but Bene Tlielax and Axolotl Tanks immediately came to mind.

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  68. al Ameda says:

    @MarkedMan:

    Just a personal pet peeve: tomorrow I have to drop someone off at National Airport and it always sticks in my craw when I see the sign. All we needed to know about the Republican Party was demonstrated by their intense desire to kick the Air Traffic Controllers Ronnie Reagan fired in the balls and strut around in a dominance display by re-naming the DC airport for the former Screen Actors Guild union head who was secretly informing on his membership to the House Unamerican Activities and the FBI. Shitty people doing shitty things.

    My recollection is that the Air Traffic Controllers were going to strike, and their Union head, Duane Poli had the Union endorse Ronald Reagan prior to the 1980 election, he made a fatal calculation that Ronald Reagan wouldn’t do what he ultimately did – break the Union.

    Unions that endorse today’s brand of Republican candidates are like chickens endorsing
    Colonel Sanders.

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  69. dazedandconfused says:

    @al Ameda:

    Mixing narratives a bit here, but I felt it worth mentioning that these kind of jet-stream events may not get you to the airport any sooner. Reason being is the busy terminals like Heathrow have only so many landing slots..you will see the planes lined up on 3-4 minute intervals on approach for hours on end. Suddenly, you, Mr Controller, have got a stream of planes all arriving 20-30 minutes early? They must be stacked in holding patterns…or all told to reduce airspeed by 100 knots enroute. Saves a lot of kerosene though.

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  70. Stormy Dragon says:

    Nonbinary teen allegedly beat to death in Oklahoma school bathroom after state bans gender-neutral restrooms in public schools: Non-binary teenager dies a day after alleged assault at Oklahoma school

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  71. CSK says:

    @Stormy Dragon:

    I saw this. So tragic. I have never understood why anyone gives a damn how anyone else identifies. It’s their business, and theirs alone.

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  72. anjin-san says:

    @Paul L. – As others have pointed out, Trump has bragged about walking in on 15-year-old girls who were changing. How is was sort of a right for him.

    Question, why weren’t you done with him, right then and there?

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  73. CSK says:

    @anjin-san:

    Don’t forget that Trump gloated over how those girls couldn’t hide from him, because he owned the pageant.

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  74. just nutha says:

    @Paul L.: You should have explained your point. I’d have never guessed that was the point you were failing at making.

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  75. anjin-san says:

    @CSK:

    It really makes you wonder about fanboys like Paul L. Every few years, I catch a football game at my old high school. Around the time I turned 30, I noticed that the cheerleaders started looking like children to me, and their moms were suddenly looking pretty good.

    That a grown man should stop seeing young girls as objects of desire as they reach the age when said girls could be their daughters seems just blindingly obvious.

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  76. Kylopod says:

    @Kathy:

    There’s biology, and then there’s psychology and sociology (also messy), and philosophy (net, but limited in most cases*).

    There’s a strong element of the is-ought fallacy in anti-abortion arguments–the notion that their moral conclusion flows directly from the scientific definition of what “life” is, which is why they try to pretend it’s some kind of hard boundary.

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  77. Gustopher says:

    @Stormy Dragon: And for two weeks the police have been saying that they don’t know if this child was killed because their head was smashed against a bathroom floor or whether they had some kind of “underlying condition.”

    They’re just shitty people with shitty values, as the late Teve used to say.

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  78. Beth says:
  79. Gustopher says:

    @Beth: From the article you link to:

    Some factions within the Republican Party have increasingly indicated that targeting transgender individuals is a top priority and may view a shutdown as worth the political risk over transgender issues. Representative Dan Crenshaw stated in June that such bans are the “hill we will die on.”

    I’m seeing a lot of words but not a lot of action with respect to Crenshaw dying on a hill. I don’t really care what hill he dies on, I just want him to be quick about and die already.

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  80. Bill Jempty says:

    @Gustopher:

    Corned beef, pastrami, and salami.

    Rigatoni, Paganini, Fettuccine.

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  81. Kathy says:

    @Beth:

    I’m seriously hoping a majority of the House has no apetite for Nuremberg Laws.

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  82. Beth says:

    @Gustopher:

    I particularly despise Crenshaw. I lost a dear friend to his macho bullshit. We were really close and he was having a rough time. He had a lot of anger and other issues that he didn’t deal with. He started with Crenshaw and moved on to Jordan Peterson. I freaked out and lost contact during the Pandy. Once I got my brain back together I sent my friend a multi-page handwritten letter. I wrote about my bottom surgery experience and how his admiration of Crenshaw and Peterson freaked me out. I never heard back from him. That was like 2 years ago.

    The hard right can kiss my ass.

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  83. Beth says:

    @Kathy:

    Oh, you and I both know they do. I really hope the Dems don’t cave in this. Mostly for obvious reasons, but also because it’s bad politically. It tells the left that the dems won’t protect them and it gives the GOP a stick to beat them with.

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  84. Paul L says:

    @Beth:
    Still waiting. Just like I was told obese Trump would be dead from a heart attack by now.
    https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-fall-of-kiwifarms

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  85. Senyordave says:

    @Beth: The only thing the modern Republican party is good at is figuring out how what groups are ripe for demonizing, and how to go about doing it. It became unfashionable to go after blacks so they went after homosexuals. Then it turned out that most everyone has a gay friend or relative so they had to look elsewhere. The trans population is smaller, and a lot of people don’t know anyone personally who is trans (or don’t realize they do). The GOP found out that there is a large portion of the population who need someone to hate. Unfortunately they know how to feed into that need for hate.
    I live in a 55+ community in South Florida. Its actually pretty liberal (largely Jewish, with lots of Canadians), but there are some people who constantly talk about how America is going to hell in a handbasket. A few months ago I was at the gym and heard the tail end of a conversation that came about because JK Rowling was in the news with her latest anti-trans rant, and a guy opined that they can do what they want, but he has a granddaughter and if one of them went into a public restroom with her he would kill it. The venom in his voice was very unnerving. I was hesitant to say anything since I see this jackass almost every day. I finally said that I guess we can provide a the police a lead if something like that happened.

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  86. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Bill Jempty: Category error here: Paganini is a violinist, not a pasta. 🙁
    Be best. (Or at least better.)

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  87. Bill Jempty says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    Category error here: Paganini is a violinist, not a pasta.
    Be best. (Or at least better.)

    I was making a joke. Like here from the television series Benson

    Frederick Selby: We’re taking a short break now. But when we’re back, we’ll be playing a delightful little piece entitled, Bravura renditions on a theme from Moses in Egypt.
    Marcy Hill: I love Paganini.
    Denise Stevens: I prefer fettuccine.
    Benson DuBois: What are you two talking about?
    Miss Gretchen Wilomena Kraus: [Kraus walks into the room carrying a food tray] Lunch!

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  88. Barry says:

    @Scott: “BTW, what is the status of the cases that reproduction restrictions are a violation of specific people’s religious rights?”

    People of the wrong beliefs have no rights.

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