Clinton ‘Interested in Acquiring Delegates, Period’

Hillary Clinton Interested in Acquiring Delegates, Period Dave Schuler, Alex Knapp and I had a long discussion about a possible fight for delegates at the Democratic convention on last night’s edition of OTB Radio. Unless Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton suddenly break away — which is exceedingly unlikely given the way their party allocates delegates — the superdelegates and the fate of the banned delegates in Florida and Michican may well prove decisive.

A few days ago, Alex predicted that sanity would prevail.

Hillary Clinton is no fool. She has to know that a Democratic convention where Obama has the majority of pledged delegates, but she wins the nomination by virtue of superdelegates is a convention that she does not want. It would alienate a substantial portion of her own party, and if John McCain is the Republican nominee, not only would a Clinton nomination rally the Republican base, but an ugly convention win might bring moderate Republicans and Independents into the GOP fold. She’s smart enough to avoid that scenario by ceding the contest to Obama if he has a majority of pledged delegates.

Apparently not.

Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in “pledged” delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton’s communications director, Howard Wolfson.

“I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,” Wolfson told reporters in a conference call. “We don’t make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,” Wolfson said. “And we don’t make distinctions when it comes to elected officials” who vote as superdelegates at the convention. “We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,” he added.

Clinton advisers rejected the notion that the candidate — and the party — would be badly wounded in the general election if the nominee were essentially selected by a group of party insiders.

“This is a nomination system that exists of caucuses, primaries, superdelegates and also the issue of voters in Florida and Michigan,” states whose delegates currently will not be seated at the convention because they broke party rules by moving up their primaries to January, said Mark Penn, senior strategist for the Clinton campaign. But “whoever the nominee is, the party will come together behind that nominee,” he said.

While Wolfson’s comments have something of the air of desperation, he’s really not saying anything novel. The superdelegates have been part of the Democratic Party nomination process since well before Bill Clinton made his first run for the presidency. Of course Hillary will take their votes. Superdelegates always count and as Dave has noted before, superdelegates always decide the Democratic nomination, at least technically.

Further, the Clinton campaign has a point, however self-serving:

“Could we possibly have a nominee who hasn’t won any of the significant states — outside of Illinois?” Chief Strategist Mark Penn said. “That raises some serious questions about Sen. Obama.”

Howard Wolfson, communications director, pointed out, “We do better the more voters vote. The largest turnout primaries, by in large, are the ones that have favored us. …The presidential election is not a caucus; it’s an election for the most people to get out and vote.”

Still, this is going to be touchy. The Clinton-Obama fight has gotten surprisingly personal and there are some unique issues in this race.

First, we’ve got the potential ugliness of the Florida and Michigan situation. Both states violated the rules to which everyone had agreed to in 2004 and were rightly punished for jumping the line. All candidates had agreed to be bound by the rules and to refuse to campaign in those states.

Clinton violated those rules and won two uncontested races in big states. Now, she wants the delegates.

It’s true that “everybody knew” those delegates would eventually be seated. But the expectation was that it would happen late in the convention and serve as an empty gesture of conciliation. Few expected that the nomination would still be in doubt this late, let alone by the time of the convention. For Florida and Michigan to actually be decisive would quite reasonably create a backlash from the Obama camp.

Second, we’ve got the so-called “politics of identity.” We’ve got the first person of color and the first woman with serious chances of getting a major party nomination. While he’s decidedly not running as The Great Black Hope, Obama has excited the Democratic Party’s exceedingly important black voting bloc in a way that has never happened before. If they feel that Hillary has stolen the nomination from their guy, they’re going to be mighty angry. Enough to vote for John McCain in November? Not likely. Enough to stay home? Quite possibly.

Of course, as Alex also noted, the superdelegates’ “pledges aren’t worth a Confederate nickel. Their votes can change at any time, and I suspect that that they will as soon as they determine which way the wind is blowing.” So they may well decide to switch their votes to Obama if they think that gives them the best chance in November.

But we’ve got the potential for something ugly. While I admire Alex’ faith in the basic decency of Hillary Clinton, I don’t share it. She’s ruthless enough to do whatever it takes to win.

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  1. DL says:

    “Superdelegates?” Isn’t that like a super perversion of the famous 3/5 vote?

    Oh Well – “one man one vote” brought Hamas to power officially and I suppose we get three liberals to pick from by the same democratic process.

  2. Pug says:

    She’s ruthless enough to do whatever it takes to win.

    You got that right. Her strategy is going to come down to Michigan, where Edwards and Obama were not even on the ballot, and Florida, where there was no campaign, and the super delegates.

    Hillary Clinton will do whatever it takes to get the nomination. Ironically, if she gets it this way, it won’t be worth a damn thing.

  3. Hillary2008 says:

    This all seems a bit hypocritical to me. Senator Obama’s fans want it both ways and I understand that it’s because they want him to win.

    Senator Obama’s supporters preach that Senator Clinton must play fair by the rules and not try to have the delagates from Florida and Michigan seated at the convention. After all, those are the rules that the National Democratic Party created.

    But is was the same party that created the super-delegates. The super-delegates are there to help in a situation when the nomination process doesn’t create a clear cut nominee that they will choose which candidate has the best chance of winning in the general election.

    The same people who decided to allow rules that would effectively disenfranchise the 4th and 8th most populated states in the country also upheld the super delegates. A delegate is a delegate. You complaints are with the system. You should be taking this up with Howard “I Have a Scream” Dean and the decision makers within the party for 2012. Be consistent please. This is a train wreck in progress headed right into Denver. This is going to be one wild ride.

  4. Anderson says:

    I think there is something sexist in these mean-spirited photos of Hillary. McCain and Obama do not seem to receive similar treatment, in the media or at OTB.

  5. James Joyner says:

    I think there is something sexist in these mean-spirited photos of Hillary. McCain and Obama do not seem to receive similar treatment, in the media or at OTB.

    Heh. Mostly, I try to find photos that illustrate the mood of the post. There really aren’t a lot of bad pics of Obama out there. I’ve used some doozies for McCain, though, including the recent one with the Muppets.

  6. Michael says:

    Ok, I did some quick, highly unscientific math, and here’s what I got:

    If the remaining super delegates who have not pledged their vote to a candidate split with the same statistic as those who have (highly unscientific), then Clinton gets 242, to Obama’s 163, a 79 delegate advantage for Clinton.

    Now, if the remaining pledged delegates split with the same statistics (again, highly unscientific), then Clinton gets 537, to Obama’s 603, a 66 delegate advantage for Obama.

    That puts the totals at 1990 for Clinton and 2019 for Obama, a difference of only 29 delegates. This gets even more interesting because Edwards already has 26 delegates, who I believe can switch their vote to another candidate if the first round doesn’t give anyone a majority.

    Personally, I believe that the remaining super delegate split will not lean towards Clinton as much as the already pledged ones have (given Obama’s surge and Clinton’s losing the “inevitability” factor), but that the remaining pledged delegate split will favor her more that those already selected (Obama just coming off a streak of friendly states, with Clinton projected to do better in Texas and Ohio).

    So my *official* projection is: “Who the hell knows, but it’s going to be a fun ride.” Bottom line though, Obama needs to do well in Texas and Ohio (he doesn’t have to win, but keep Clinton from getting an advantage in pledged delegates) and Clinton needs to keep super delegates favoring her, especially those who already pledged their support.

  7. Triumph says:

    I think there is something sexist in these mean-spirited photos of Hillary. McCain and Obama do not seem to receive similar treatment, in the media or at OTB.

    As Nigel Tufnel would say, “Well, so what? What’s wrong with bein’ sexy?”