Friday’s Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Headline of the day? Beer brand and leather store unwittingly named after Māori word for ‘pubic hair’

    Canada’s Hell’s Basement and a shop in Wellington both thought the word ‘huruhuru’ meant ‘feather’ – they were wrong

  2. de stijl says:

    Maori language aka te reo is fascinating.

    Kia ora is the equivalent of hello and means basically “be well”.

    Sounds like kyora.

  3. de stijl says:

    I have not owned a pair of blue jeans since 1980.

  4. de stijl says:

    Elliott Abrams named as special envoy to Iran.

    Yes, that Elliott Abrams. Iran-Contra guy arguably a war criminal.

    Thanks, Trump!

  5. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: Heh. I have one pair of jeans. They are my “dress” pants. Otherwise I wear carpenter whites. After 35 years they just feel normal.

  6. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Trump told supporters Biden is ‘following the radical left agenda. Take away your guns, destroy your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God.’

    Maybe one of trump’s many evangelical supporters can explain to trump that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and immutable. That it is in fact impossible for a mere puny human to “hurt God.”

  7. de stijl says:


    I reckon we may have different reasons.

    Back then people I liked wore trousers; people who thought I was weird wore jeans. I sided with people who did not dislike me.

    Obviously, there is nothing wrong with jeans.

    But, back then I went to vintage stores and bought out their stock when I had money.

    After a bit it became habit.

    Also, no shorts unless it is above 85 and just to the store. No social stuff in shorts.

    I am weird about pants.

  8. Sleeping Dog says:


    I do need to ask. While trying to suppress a smirk. These wouldn’t be the bib overhauls version of carpenters whites? 🙂

  9. de stijl says:

    There was a Maori NZ group who was a one hit – OMC.

    How Bizarre

    A really interesting song structure. OMC was fooling on Otara Millionaires Club when Otara was the crappiest joint in Aukland where mostly Maori lived.

    What was interesting is that the background go-go girls are white and blond. It was an inversion of typical white bands with black back-up singers.

    That was a provocative eff you. You objectify us? Back at ya.

    It is an odd song, but really oddly catchy. I appreciate it; kinda love it.

    There is a lot going on here: the band name, the suave guy, the hype girl, the blond dancers, the non-western song structure.

  10. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: Well, people like to say there is something wrong with me so you are probably the normal one.

    I hardly ever wear shorts. About the only time I do is when I’m on a river on a hot summer day. In fact, I went floating with my son and GD a couple weeks ago and I had to buy new shorts because I couldn’t find my old ones.

  11. de stijl says:

    I am totally on board with man skirts.

    Not as a provocative statement about gender and clothes, just I want to be comfortable when it is 95 and the dew point is 78.

    I want comfort and practicality, gender norms be damned!

    Berbers and Bedouin wear loose garb.

    The Greeks and Romans wore skirts as armor.

    I demand man skirt acceptance! 🙂

  12. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Sleeping Dog: No, they are too hot for me.

  13. Jen says:

    @de stijl: Men in kilts are stunning.

    I think I was right about DeWine. A subsequent test showed he was negative for coronavirus. He was just avoiding a Trump visit.

  14. Teve says:

    @de stijl: a long time ago I was in the theater watching the remake of The Island of Dr. Moreau, and Val Kilmer appears in a sarong, and my reaction was “ What is that and how can I wear them for the rest of my life…”

  15. OzarkHillbilly says:

    A long read: Rural Missourians Protested for Black Lives — And Were Met By Armed Neighbors

    Main Street Memories, a small shop in Fredericktown, is best known as a vintage and antique gift store. But, in a pinch, it can also serve as a perfectly fine sniper’s nest.

    That’s the impression one might get from the scene that played out on the evening of June 24, when a group of protesters aiming to shed light on racism in the small southeast Missouri city were met by a larger group of counterprotesters — many armed to the teeth.

    Photos and video from the event show that gun-wielding townspeople were joined by members of the Three Percenters — a group described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as an anti-government militia — dressed in military fatigues and tactical vests. They carried rifles, pistols and zip ties similar to the ones used by law enforcement in lieu of handcuffs. A man spotted on the roof of the antique shop even had a suppressor on his gun.

    And on the other side, ostensibly in defense of the protesters, Hawaiian-shirt-sporting Boogaloo Bois, a loosely organized group that believes a second American civil war is impending, carried their own rifles and tactical gear.

    Not everyone had guns, though. Some townsfolk brought bladed weapons. At least two arrived on the scene with broadswords. Others wielded two-by-fours.

    For Frederick Dorsey Jr., the 21-year-old who had organized the protest, the weaponry was a little much. But it was nothing compared to the blatant racism hurled at him by many of those same armed townsfolk.

    “A lot of Confederate flags,” Dorsey, whose mother is white and whose father is Black, says of the scene. “And I also saw people threaten to hang me from a noose. A few people were making monkey gestures and telling me I needed to go back to my own community, when I’ve lived in Fredericktown for sixteen years. I got called many racial slurs. And then my own mother was protesting against me.”
    “Me and my mom have never had a close relationship. Before this protest I haven’t seen her in several years,” Dorsey, who lives with his dad, says. “And she was on the other side, I guess you could call it the Back the Blue, pro-Trump side, saying that I was just doing all this to show my ass, and I’m putting my life at risk and everything. And then my stepdad and his kids said they were gonna kill me because I’m doing all this. He kept calling me stupid and saying I needed to grow up. And I was like, if anything, this is the most grown-up thing I’ve done.

    “I didn’t say anything back, because it wasn’t worth my time, because I feel like what I’m doing is right,” Dorsey adds. “And it’s much needed.”

    Fredricktown is about an hour away from me, and yeah, it’s all that. The story however ends on a hopeful note:

    By all accounts, the protest in Fredericktown on July 10 was a much tamer affair than the one held in June.
    Dorsey’s assessment is largely the same.

    “I think it was more that they realized we weren’t there to cause a riot; we were there to make a change and educate people,” he says. “And I guess they’re like, ‘OK, maybe they’re not as bad as we thought.’ So I guess people came into the mindset of wanting to listen and maybe change.”

    With July’s protest so carefully regulated and organized as MOSA continues to hone its tactics, Hindrichs agrees that they were simply better able to get people to listen to what they had to say. And that’s already paying dividends. Hindrichs says the group has since had a number of people reach out to them through the group’s Facebook page, as well as some of the pages of the individual organizers, to learn more of what they’re all about.

    “And I think that’s great, because it gets us out of that situation of high stress, tensions being thick, and I think with how the protest went it was easier for people to reach out to us afterwards without feeling threatened,” she says.

    All told, it’s heartening for Dorsey, a young organizer who just wants the best for his hometown.

    “I feel like change is coming,” he says. “And I think people are finally listening instead of just writing us off.”

  16. @OzarkHillbilly: Omniscient, omnipotent, immutable, camera, TV.

  17. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Steven L. Taylor: OK, now I have my laugh for the day. Thank you.

  18. de stijl says:


    The Scots would be appalled at linen or cotton “summer” kilts, but I am absolutely on board.


  19. de stijl says:


    Sarongs are cool in both meanings.

    That was such a bizarre movie. Kilmer was supposed to be a major star. Thewlis (watch Naked if you have not seen it).

  20. de stijl says:


    I own a kilt. It is scratchy. Wool is not summer friendly.

    I do look pretty fetch if I do sport it.

    This is very bizarre, but a billion years ago I won best legs (guy) in the senior class yearbook.

  21. Moosebreath says:

    @de stijl:

    “Elliott Abrams named as special envoy to Iran.

    Yes, that Elliott Abrams. Iran-Contra guy arguably a war criminal.”

    Right here is the best argument for why prosecution of members of the Trump Administration will be necessary. If we don’t do so, the same folks will come back to public office again and again, in spite of having performed illegal acts.

  22. Kylopod says:


    I think I was right about DeWine. A subsequent test showed he was negative for coronavirus. He was just avoiding a Trump visit.

    Alyssa Milano says she had a horrible case of Covid-19 (horrible in the sense of highly unpleasant–I don’t think she was hospitalized), yet she twice tested negative on the PCR test and once on the antibody test–until finally coming up positive on the antibody test.

  23. Jen says:

    @Kylopod: Yes–I was being facetious and glib.

    I read about Milano’s experience, and have heard several personal anecdotes along the same lines. The antibody test being the least reliable, but definitely the PCR test too. I am also familiar with a person who continued to test positive for 59 days (meaning, continued to test positive every time after recovery up to day 60, when he finally tested negative). The testing is imperfect but it’s all we have right now.

  24. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: Overheard at a birthday party where one scantily clad OzarkHillbilly jumped out of a cake:

    Guy 1: You know, for an ugly mf’er he has some nice legs.
    Guy 2: Yeah, but the beard just doesn’t do it for me.

  25. de stijl says:


    Think about scruff instead of full beard.

    I have an electric shaver with all the attachments. I am .5 on face and 0 on neck. 1 on sides. Modified low fade 2 to 4 up top.

    Once a year I just get bored, let it grow and do a ‘hawk for a few months.

    People respond differently to you when you have a mohawk. It is really fascinating. I am exactly the same person. People see me as provocative.

    I meet more interesting people when I have stupid hair because I am bored. Good for dating.

  26. de stijl says:

    @de stijl:

    One thing I have definitely noticed is that my lower legs have become hairless and have bent that way as I have aged.

    I have zero problem with people who shave every bit. I ‘scape the crucials, and knock back the chest hair.

    Once I totally shaved my chest and stomach. I looked so much like Willem Dafoe in Platoon it was spooky. Never again. I will knock it back, but not to the skin.

    I do not want to be Willem Dafoe stapled to a seal’s body.

  27. de stijl says:

    Surely hope the GA chapter of the ACLU is contacting the two students who were suspended after posting photos from Paulding High School in Dallas, Georgia.

  28. Bob@Youngstown says:

    crowed school hall in GA

    What part of this don’t the schools understand? Regardless of length of time that students might pass one another, all it takes is ONE sneeze in a situation as depicted for the virus to be spread to dozens of students.
    The CDC recommendation of ‘intimate contact for 20 minutes or more’ is unrealistically applied to this situation.
    BTW, good on Hannah Watters for having courage and actually caring for her classmates!

  29. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @de stijl: I meet more interesting people when I have stupid hair because I am bored. Good for dating.

    my hair is the way it is because I am lazy. I hate sitting for haircuts, so I wait until it bothers me too much and then shave it off. With my beard I do the same except I leave a goatee. In between I keep my mustache of my lips. It drives me nuts. Now in my old age I have to trim my eyebrows too.

    Back in my rough and rowdy days I found that the more outlandish my clothes were, the more attention I got from the ladies. No matter how far I took it, it never seemed to be too far.

    ETA: The ACLU has it’s hands full these days. I don’t know where the GA schools BS would line up on their scale but I can’t necessarily blame them if they decide to pass on that one.

  30. Bill says:

    The Florida headline of the day-

    3 South Floridians accused of fraudulently obtaining millions in PPP loans

    My small business got a four figure loan from SBA. I paid both my editors but still have most of the money. The pandemic hurt my book business at first but I got a big boost recently so I am not hurting. If that status continues, I’ll re-pay the loan in full.

  31. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Bob@Youngstown: The interesting thing in the CNN clip that went with the link was the district spokesman saying that masking is a personal choice that the district can’t enforce. Living in a place where when the measles outbreak happened last year our school districts were able to enforce a no vaccination record/no attendance policy just fine, I’m having trouble understanding why such a visible thing as masking would be unenforceable.

    Then again, as I noted earlier here, I live in a Demonrat-infested socialist hell hole, so I may be more used to my freedoms being trampled upon (and more afraid of being infected by some a$$hat 🙁 ).

  32. Bill says:
  33. Bob@Youngstown says:

    @Bill: Glad to see that, but my greater point is that the notion to the students are not close to one another for more than a short period of time obviates the need for masks, is just stupid. The written statement from the School Superintendant rationalizes: “Students are in this hallway environment for just a brief period as they move to their next class”.

    And a sneeze takes what?, 1 second to create a virus laden bloom that dozens will breath as they move through.

  34. Bill says:


    If that status continues, I’ll re-pay the loan in full.

    Before someone takes me to the wood shed. I meant I’d pay it in full the first opportunity I get. The SBA won’t be sending me a bill till next year. My business owes no other money and with my health, I prefer to keep it as close to that as possible.

  35. Mister Bluster says:

    I wore jeans and steel toe pull on boots to jobs till I just got too fat to get them on in the morning without a struggle. Must have been all the beer I used to drink after work while I was traveling to 14 states and living in motels all those years. Dickies makes some nice Flex work pants that I still wear.

    I can’t remember what TV western in the ’50s that featured a character that sported a mohawk but I do know that some kid came to school one day with his haircut like that. Fifth grade maybe. Would have been 1957- 58? Everybody was impressed with how cool his mom had to be to let him do that!
    My mom said no.

    As far as body hair is concerned. All I can say is that no women ever shrieked in horror when she saw me nekkid.
    The supreme embarrassment occurred one morning when I woke up in all my threads on not my couch and she was sitting in a chair across from me drinking tea dressed to go to work.
    “You fell asleep…”

  36. Michael Reynolds says:

    If you’re just desperately bored I have a long (loooong) interview with some Georgetown kids talking Animorphs.

  37. MarkedMan says:

    @Bob@Youngstown:That makes as much sense as “We decided there is no need for a condom because the orgasm takes such a short period of time”

  38. MarkedMan says:

    @Michael Reynolds: Just watched the first couple of minutes after you joined, mostly to hear what you sounded like. You might just take this as an insult, but you sounded much more urbane than I expected.

    Anyway, good on you for spending that much time with them. I expect you made their day.

  39. Gustopher says:

    Sometimes you just accidentally give someone a Heil Hitler:

    Christenson claimed that after Hendriks told him, “No, no straight arm, you have to bend your arm,” he said, “Oh, I see what you mean, oh no, it’s like ‘Heil Hitler.’ ”

    “I apologize for everything,” Christenson said to the San Francisco Chronicle.

    “I’m cringing inside picturing myself,” Christenson told the newspaper. “Of course I’m sorry for it — it’s like standing there with my middle finger up. Anyone should know better.”

    “Obviously I wasn’t doing that intentionally,” Christenson told the Chronicle. “I just blacked out, my mind wasn’t there and I spaced out. I’m sure it looks terrible. I did it but it was not intentional. I don’t know what more to say.”

    And that is how you apologize for accidentally doing something really offensive. It’s kind of refreshing to see someone not try to dodge and claim to be misunderstood, or be sorry if people (somehow) took offense… Just a simple “Wow, I guess I did that. Holy shit that’s offensive. Sorry.”

  40. Michael Reynolds says:

    Well, I was talking to fans. Those people made my career, so I try to be on my best behavior. Only said ‘fuck’ twice.

  41. Gustopher says:

    @Michael Reynolds: I’ll second @MarkedMan in that you do not sound like I expected.

    I think I was expecting more of the booming voice from the heavens laying down commandments and instead you’re just kind of this guy who sounds a lot like my NYC friends — urbane, Jewish-ish, whatever. So weird.

    (Next up, someone will find a video of de stilj, and we will discover he does not sound exactly like Gonzo from The Muppets…)

  42. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    Just seen on Twitter…no real confirmation.

    Jerry Falwell Jr has been asked to take an indefinite leave of absence from his roles as President and Chancellor of Liberty University.

    This is after he posted a picture of himself and a much younger woman with their pants undone.

  43. Daryl and his brother Darryl says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:
    He may have decided he wants to spend more time with his pool-boy.

  44. sam says:
  45. de stijl says:


    In my mind I am totally normal.

    It’s all y’all who are weird.

    Besides Gonzo talks like a normal person. I am kinda a normal person.

  46. Kylopod says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl: You know the funny thing about this? There’s absolutely nothing remarkable whatsoever about an evangelical leader getting caught with a young woman or poolboy or whatever. That sort of thing is almost boring by now. What’s amazing is that he didn’t get caught by someone else–he freely posted the picture himself. And didn’t just post it, but commented on the drink he was holding. (It’s what TV Tropes calls “comically missing the point.”) That’s just effing bizarre, and a sign of the postmodern world we live in.

    Next thing you know, we’ll have a POTUS sending tweets bragging about engaging in a Nixonian coverup or presiding over the deaths of 200,000 people. Oh, wait….

  47. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Daryl and his brother Darryl:

    the announcement came after Falwell apologized for posting photos on social media that critics said were distasteful, including one that showed Falwell with his pants unzipped and his arm around a young woman.

    I really though you might be embellishing for the hyperbole of it, but WA!!! who does that? EEEEEWWWWWW!!!

  48. de stijl says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    I watched the first half hour.

    That is really fascinating. Like others, I expected a different voice. I have always liked to meet folks IRL when I had only been phone or e-mail buddies with beforehand.

    I had expected a Mike Ehrmamtrout gravel and world-weariness. You surprised me.

    I had a really nice irl long distance relationship with a super cool woman from SF I had chatted with for a year before I met her. She met a dude in her neighborhood so we let go. All the best to her.

    Next trip to the library, I will grab a Michael Grant book. Recommendations for a flat newbie?

    Library shutting down during lockdown was my biggest bugbear. I need it. I want it. It keeps me sane.

    Animorphs seems like a big commitment. Gone, perhaps?

  49. de stijl says:


    Give a man a fish: he eats for a day.

    Give a man electric clippers, he invents new behaviors of personal grooming.

    I have not paid for a haircut in decades.

    DIY. Works for many little life issues.

  50. de stijl says:

    Along the lines of #manskirts, I shave my pits.

    I hate my underarm hair. I know it is morphologically natural, but it strikes me as gross. The texture is wrong.

    So, no. Away it goes.

  51. Grewgills says:

    @de stijl:
    and it’ll make you stink less in the hot months

    re: pants v shorts
    I’m the opposite, shorts only unless I must cover my calves for some reason.

  52. de stijl says:


    Good on ya. Be you.

    I have no prob with folks who choose shorts. Just not my thing.

    I do object to jorts though. C’mon man! Were you raised by wolves? Jorts scratch my judgey place.

  53. Mister Bluster says:

    @Michael Reynolds:..Only said ‘fuck’ twice.
    Not to worry. I’m sure they never heard the word before and have no idea what it means.

    I don’t understand the confusion.
    Michael Grant sounds just like I thought Michael Reynolds would sound.

    I can’t count the times that younger than me citizens (at 72 that’s a lot of people) have apologised for saying “fuck” within my earshot like they have done something wrong.
    “No problem.” I say to them. “I invented that word. Starts with f and ends in uck and it’s not “fire truck”.

  54. de stijl says:


    WTF is up with eyebrows?

    Thing that was so constant you ignore it for your whole life suddenly goes bonkers.

    Now, once a month I have to knock back the wild ones. I suspect they object to aging and are having a midlife crisis. Doing the eyebrow equivalent of buying a Corvette.

  55. Gustopher says:

    @de stijl: I have been enjoying my bushy eyebrows, but it might just be that I haven’t gotten old enough to have really bushy eyebrows.

    Everytime I would go for a haircut, back when people did things like that, the barber would always ask if I wanted my eyebrows trimmed. Good lord no, they are the most expressive things on my face, constantly showing what I am thinking.

    Now, those random little hairs that start growing on the ear where there really wasn’t hair before… those can go away.

  56. de stijl says:


    There is obscure video of me on youtube.

    Goddamn, we were so average. So adequate. Looking back, surprised anyone showed up at all. Basement parties are a blast, though.

    And I had fun.

    Cannot disavow it, but I was pursuing a path I could not compete in. Totally outclassed. I’m glad I tried though.

  57. Gustopher says:

    @de stijl:

    I watched the first half hour

    I only watched a few minutes, because it apparently will spoil the ending of Animorphs, and I might want to read that series at some point. On the other hand, I’ve read books about the fall of Srebrenica, despite knowing how that turns out (it falls, lots of people die), so it might be fine.

  58. An Interested Party says:

    So if you are a female who is raped in Arkansas, you now have to notify your rapist before you can have an abortion…and if you are a minor female who gets pregnant by a male adult, he gets to decide if you can have an abortion…that kooky John Roberts, apparently he knows exactly what he’s doing…

  59. Liberal Capitalist says:

    If I were a republican, and Trump was a democrat, I would SO Willie Horton him on this:

    1) You horrendously mismanaged Covid

    2) Your “liberal” policies resulted in early prison releases due to Covid

    3) Now, Karla Elizabeth Dominguez Gonzalez is dead.

    (Insert darkened picture of Ibrahim E. Bouaichi here.)

  60. de stijl says:


    Do not even get me started on effing wild ass ear hair!

    Bane of my existence. And nose hairs can fuck right the fuck off too.

    I pluck you root and branch! Doesn’t that usually mean you cannot regrow?

    Plus the nose itself is too squishy to give it a proper scrub. It always wiggles away.

    I like my huge pores with detritus snuggled in. No! Not the Biore strip! Gahh! Run for your lives.

    The aftereffects of the Biore strip are really gross but fascinating.

  61. Teve says:


    One thing Trumpites never seem to notice is how much contempt Trump has for their intelligence. He acts like he’s conning an audience of the dumbest, most gullible people on Earth.

  62. Teve says:

    At 44 I’ve been doing my eyebrows for a couple years now. Every three weeks, clipper guard number two and Just For Men medium brown.

  63. de stijl says:


    Missed that earlier. Good news!

    I imagine the school board and the administration folks saw the amount of shit on them now and the potential for future shit and decided that jk was the appropriate choice.

    Obvs they screwed up the initial action, but responded. Many initially will not.

    We will be throwing kids, teachers, staff, and admin into the Covid grinder this next month because we are too stupid to withdraw when the enemy has our number.

    Like Russian conscripts in Stalingrad we advance. We are trying to bullrush a virus.

    I like being an American. We have a lot of cool traits. Sometimes we are idiots and assholes. A crisis embiggens both our good and bad behaviors.

  64. de stijl says:


    littlegreenfootballs used to be Bush43 central in the early to mid aughts. Not as noxious as Flipping Aces or Gates of Vienna, but up there.

    The owner had a change of heart / politics. Akin to Balloon Juice John Cole.

    It’s very cool those guys stepped into the scales falling from their eyes. I applaud it. But they needed blatant inadequacy shoved in their face daily to make the turn. An observant person would not have needed the obvious unfit screw up like Dubya to see where this going and how it got there.

    The lgf guy is unfortunately named Charles Johnson so gets confused with the other Charles Johnson who is a human colostomy bag.

    I have no beef with where those guys got to, but why did it take that long?

    Was the Southern Strategy not a great big neon bedazzled indicator you were a baddie?

  65. Jax says:

    I am encouraged by my tiny community. Everybody who is sane is enrolling in virtual academies and setting up “safe socialization pods”, it’s mostly the parents of athletes and “hoaxers” who are encouraging school to open regularly.

    I wonder about those parents. Those athletes could be facing a draft to Vietnam, would they still be so excited about going back to school if that’s what the end entailed?

  66. de stijl says:


    Once in college my gf went too far on her eyebrows and decided to just say fuck it and she shaved ’em off entirely.

    It was really cool. It brought out her eyes and hers’ were stunners, but it was oddly distracting. I didn’t focus the same on her when we were talking.

    It was not my place to comment – her body, her choice. But I did notice it.

    You never notice eyebrows unless they are weird or absent.

  67. Teve says:

    @de stijl: John Cole regularly beats himself up over that. I don’t know if Charles Johnson does because I only follow him on Twitter, I find something about his site just unpleasant and don’t go there very often.

    I quit going to the Washington Monthly Political Animal blog because it some point years ago some writers started writing there who just wrote these interminable boring posts, but I’ve been going back there for the last two weeks and it actually had some pretty good stuff.

  68. Jax says:

    @Teve: Which Charles Johnson? The red headed Furby guy, or the one who runs LGF?

  69. Teve says:

    @Jax: LGF.

    By the way, Trump is apparently claiming he’s going to sign an executive order that requires insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. Will it surprise you when I tell you that I’ve already seen at least three Trumpers praise him to the heavens, one of which said the best president ever!

  70. CSK says:

    @Jax: @Teve:
    The photo I saw accompanying one article was of the redheaded Furby, who’s quite young.

  71. Jax says:

    @CSK: Furby Johnson is a real piece of work. Slimier than the Project Veritas fools.

    @Teve….same on LGF. Kinda like the Palmer Report. Something just doesn’t sit right with me about either. Too obviously biased in my direction, I guess? Probably also why I hang out here, where I at least know the hosts are gonna give me something to think about. 😉

    Does anybody else get sad on Twitter when they see Doug’s robo-posts, new blog updates here at OTB, but no Doug himself?

  72. de stijl says:


    WaMo was a big deal. I read that daily.

    Then the lead guy skedaddled.

    Was that Steve Benen? Went to Maddowblog?


    Yep. Twas.

  73. de stijl says:


    I was trying subtly to backhand one of our hosts.

    Perhaps too subtly; no one picked up on it.

  74. Teve says:

    @Jax: it’s not so much the political content at little green footballs it’s everything else that annoys me. The site design is overbusy, I don’t care about any of the music, the Bob Cesca podcast he plugs is jarring to my ears and after 10 minutes I couldn’t listen to another second, the Seth Meyers and John Oliver clips I would already have seen on YouTube, and that’s 95% of the posts. So there’s just no reason for me to go there. He’s good on Twitter though.

  75. de stijl says:


    I have read LeTourneau in the past and Longman, but crikey that UI is god awful at WaMo. Maybe only on mobile.

  76. de stijl says:


    LGF when it was pro Bush and anti Muslim was a cesspool commentariate. They had LGF MC patches and creepy meet-ups.

    Then those folks buggered off when Johnson turned his coat. No one else really shuffled in to fill the gap because it was a site that routinely called us traitors and idiots.

    I would dip my toes occasionally and it was just xenophobic and anti-Muslim garbage.

    Why would I trust a guy who trafficked in hateful shit for years before coming around?

    Cole and Balloon Juice was weird. Cole was a righty but 80%+ of the commenters were lefty and continually gave him crap about logical errors and willful ignorance a la early Doug M.

  77. Teve says:


    The Postal Service has informed states that they’ll need to pay first-class 55-cent postage to mail ballots to voters, rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate. That nearly triples the per-ballot cost.

  78. de stijl says:


    Just wait until you get gray hairs “down there”.

    It makes you re-evaluate.

  79. Michael Reynolds says:

    Well, IRL it happens I actually am an elderly semi-Jewish man able to fake urbanity. Though that is my ‘nice guy’ talking-to-fans voice.

    @de stijl:
    GONE would be the thing. Or FRONT LINES if you like WW2. Thank you! Cha Ching! Another three dollars.

    @Mister Bluster:
    The problem is never with the kids, as you say, they’ve heard ‘fuck’ once or twice before. It’s always the teachers and parents. I had this one Texas librarian terrified she’d lose her job because I was honest with an audience of middle school kids about my past.

  80. de stijl says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    Gone it is, then.

    Earmark my $3 for booze or weed.