Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog).
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It breaks my heart to see my child struggling and in this situation, especially when he has been provided multiple opportunities to get his life on track.
Boebert’s public comment on her son’s legal problems. Translation – “sorry for ya, not my fault.”
Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), who endorsed one of Robinson’s challengers in the GOP primary, said Wednesday that it’s up to the voters in his state to decide in November if they want him to be the governor.
Asked if he agrees with Robinson’s inflammatory rhetoric, Tillis told HuffPost, “Not at all.”
“Now that we’re past the primary … he just needs to go to the people in North Carolina, explain that and get their vote,” he said.
Real profile in courage there Thommy boy. It’s almost as if you support every single thing Robinson says, you just don’t like his tone. Whomp Whomp.
It came out in 2022 that House candidate John Gibbs had once written that women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Is this going to be a new thing now? The latest shift in the Overton Window? Out of all the lunacy and bigotry and conspiracy-mongering, I would think that advocating for more than half of the electorate to be disenfranchised would not be the smartest electoral strategy, but here we are.
Oh, they’ve been advocating for it for years. Most of it’s been ignored because it’s been nobodys. The only thing that’s different now is that people that support repealing the 19th amendment are now mainline Republicans in actual positions of authority.
Hell, I have a conservative friend who has argued with me that the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to women. He believes it only applies to black men. The Originalists, [dramatic swish]!
It came out in 2022 that House candidate John Gibbs had once written that women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Is this going to be a new thing now?
As a recovered right-wing fool, I can tell you it’s very far from a new thing over there. I remember hearing it over 20 years ago. But it seems the rise of Trump is encouraging those who hold the view to proclaim it loudly rather than behind closed doors.
@Kylopod: Many are defending Mark Robinson’s inflammatory statements with context, quoting full paragraphs. So far, these statements either sound much worse in context, or sound just like weird word salad.
Donald Trump called him MLK on steroids, but he’s more like another Georgia native, Herschel Walker on steroids. Or off steroids and on donuts and meth, as the case may be.
Oh, they’ve been advocating for it for years. Most of it’s been ignored because it’s been nobodys.
I remember Ann Coulter advocating it decades ago. Just not anyone running for office.
Hell, I have a conservative friend who has argued with me that the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to women. He believes it only applies to black men. The Originalists, [dramatic swish]!
I recall this was Scalia’s position as well. Ironically, one of the arguments used against the Equal Rights Amendment was that it wasn’t needed due to the 14th Amendment already protecting women’s equality, especially after the 1971 decision Reed v. Reed made that explicit.
If one is interested in some Finnish defense history, I recommend the latest podcast of Shield of the Republic: “How Finland Escaped Stalin’s Grasp” put out by The Bulwark.
Eric welcomes Finnish Professor Kimmo Rentala, Emeritus Professor of Political History at the University of Helsinki to the show to discuss his recently released book, How Finland Survived Stalin: From Winter War to Cold War (Yale University Press, 2024). The discuss Stalin’s plans for Finland, Finnish resistance to the Soviet Union, Sweden’s role in Finland’s survival during the twentieth century, changes in access to Russian archival material from the immediate post-Soviet period to Putin’s Russia, and what Ukraine can learn from Finland’s experience with a large hostile neighboring country.
HELSINKI — Patria will build a site in Finland for the assembly of F-35 Block 4 fighter jets, now that the government’s Ministerial Finance Committee has approved the Defence Ministry’s land and facilities lease proposal.
The project is linked to the $9.6 billion jet procurement contract reached between Finland’s MOD and the American company Lockheed Martin in February 2022. The deal covers the delivery of 64 F-35s to the Finnish Air Force.
Late in the 2016 campaign, polls indicated Lardass was doing poorly with women voters (I wonder why). Shortly after, the deplorables started carrying signs at rallies calling for the repeal of the 19th amendment.
BTW, to mix threads, the 19th amendment in full states: “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
So, by the logic of the current wingnut wing of the SCOTUS, this means no state need have let any women vote, unless Congress passed legislation about it?
Though I know a fair bit about the Suffrage Movement, just about all histories and comments about it end with passage of the 19th., as though that ended the matter.
If my choice was between being a drug addled career criminal and acknowledging her as my mother, I know which one would be less embarrassing to admit to my fellow felons.
Regarding McConnel, seriously, what kind of man are you and what kind of marriage do you have? The Republican party is more important to you than your own self-esteem and marriage. wtf!!
I recall this [14th applying only to Black men] was Scalia’s position as well.
It’s not entirely ahistorical. Before the civil war and the time that the 14th Amendment was being drafted, there was a lot of overlap between the suffragists and the abolitionists, and there were calls at the time to explicitly include women, and give women the right to vote and various other rights in with the reconstruction amendments.
The drafters, in their infinite wisdom and misogyny, decided not to do so, but they did use “persons” throughout (and male persons when referencing the vote) as a compromise.
Scalia just chose to be “originalist” by reading the writings of the complete shitheads, rather than a broader selection of arguments.
I don’t think the drafters of the reconstruction amendments specifically meant to include corporations. The argument that the 14th Amendment protects men and corporations but not women was a fairly novel interpretation that can only be justified by very carefully reading only specific documents and being a complete shithead.
It came out in 2022 that House candidate John Gibbs had once written that women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Is this going to be a new thing now?
As @Beth notes, this has been a thing for years. During my time in Missouri politics (in the mid-90s) I heard this a number of times. When Hillary was running, there were several “Repeal the 19th” groups that surfaced.
@Jen: My point, as I noted earlier, isn’t that such views haven’t been relatively common among Republican voters for a long time, but that I’ve rarely heard them expressed openly by a candidate running for office. Even Gibbs and Robinson didn’t say it on the campaign trail; they were comments dug up from their past.
The small voice in the back of my head is crying “oh geez let me just pull the covers back over my head and sing quietly until this all goes away. ”
Unfortunately, we all know that none of this is going away.
Boebert’s public comment on her son’s legal problems. Translation – “sorry for ya, not my fault.”
Real profile in courage there Thommy boy. It’s almost as if you support every single thing Robinson says, you just don’t like his tone. Whomp Whomp.
@Joe:
I thought she was admitting that her son is a career criminal.
It came out in 2022 that House candidate John Gibbs had once written that women shouldn’t have the right to vote. Is this going to be a new thing now? The latest shift in the Overton Window? Out of all the lunacy and bigotry and conspiracy-mongering, I would think that advocating for more than half of the electorate to be disenfranchised would not be the smartest electoral strategy, but here we are.
@Kylopod:
Oh, they’ve been advocating for it for years. Most of it’s been ignored because it’s been nobodys. The only thing that’s different now is that people that support repealing the 19th amendment are now mainline Republicans in actual positions of authority.
Hell, I have a conservative friend who has argued with me that the 14th amendment doesn’t apply to women. He believes it only applies to black men. The Originalists, [dramatic swish]!
@Kylopod:
As a recovered right-wing fool, I can tell you it’s very far from a new thing over there. I remember hearing it over 20 years ago. But it seems the rise of Trump is encouraging those who hold the view to proclaim it loudly rather than behind closed doors.
@Kylopod: Many are defending Mark Robinson’s inflammatory statements with context, quoting full paragraphs. So far, these statements either sound much worse in context, or sound just like weird word salad.
Donald Trump called him MLK on steroids, but he’s more like another Georgia native, Herschel Walker on steroids. Or off steroids and on donuts and meth, as the case may be.
@Beth:
I remember Ann Coulter advocating it decades ago. Just not anyone running for office.
I recall this was Scalia’s position as well. Ironically, one of the arguments used against the Equal Rights Amendment was that it wasn’t needed due to the 14th Amendment already protecting women’s equality, especially after the 1971 decision Reed v. Reed made that explicit.
If one is interested in some Finnish defense history, I recommend the latest podcast of Shield of the Republic: “How Finland Escaped Stalin’s Grasp” put out by The Bulwark.
Finland approves construction of Patria’s F-35 assembly facility
@Kylopod:
@Beth:
Late in the 2016 campaign, polls indicated Lardass was doing poorly with women voters (I wonder why). Shortly after, the deplorables started carrying signs at rallies calling for the repeal of the 19th amendment.
BTW, to mix threads, the 19th amendment in full states: “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
So, by the logic of the current wingnut wing of the SCOTUS, this means no state need have let any women vote, unless Congress passed legislation about it?
Though I know a fair bit about the Suffrage Movement, just about all histories and comments about it end with passage of the 19th., as though that ended the matter.
@Kathy:
@Kylopod:
@DK:
[Peeks out from under my blankies]
NOPE!
Lalalalalalalaaaaaasaaaa
Ducking back under my blankies
@Flat Earth Luddite:
@Joe:
@CSK:
If my choice was between being a drug addled career criminal and acknowledging her as my mother, I know which one would be less embarrassing to admit to my fellow felons.
@Flat Earth Luddite:
It’s too hot now to to seek refuge under blankies.
@Joe: I’m sure she’ll speak out soon against her colleagues and compatriots who have been trying to tie Hunter to Joe for years.
@Kathy: Not where Luddite and I live. Overnight low last night was 35 Fahrenheit.
Regarding McConnel, seriously, what kind of man are you and what kind of marriage do you have? The Republican party is more important to you than your own self-esteem and marriage. wtf!!
@Just nutha ignint cracker:
Same here.
@Kylopod:
It’s not entirely ahistorical. Before the civil war and the time that the 14th Amendment was being drafted, there was a lot of overlap between the suffragists and the abolitionists, and there were calls at the time to explicitly include women, and give women the right to vote and various other rights in with the reconstruction amendments.
The drafters, in their infinite wisdom and misogyny, decided not to do so, but they did use “persons” throughout (and male persons when referencing the vote) as a compromise.
Scalia just chose to be “originalist” by reading the writings of the complete shitheads, rather than a broader selection of arguments.
I don’t think the drafters of the reconstruction amendments specifically meant to include corporations. The argument that the 14th Amendment protects men and corporations but not women was a fairly novel interpretation that can only be justified by very carefully reading only specific documents and being a complete shithead.
@Kylopod:
As @Beth notes, this has been a thing for years. During my time in Missouri politics (in the mid-90s) I heard this a number of times. When Hillary was running, there were several “Repeal the 19th” groups that surfaced.
@Jen: My point, as I noted earlier, isn’t that such views haven’t been relatively common among Republican voters for a long time, but that I’ve rarely heard them expressed openly by a candidate running for office. Even Gibbs and Robinson didn’t say it on the campaign trail; they were comments dug up from their past.