Tuesday’s Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. Kylopod says:

    George Santos
    6:58 PM · Aug 30, 2021

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kylopod: The GOP in a nutshell, “I know you are but what am I?”

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Trump seems to have a large war chest – but is he struggling to raise money?

    Long story short, “Maybe.” He is playing legally dubious shell games with his many different yet similarly named campaign funds/SuperPacs etc. Not that he will ever be charged for any such crimes:

    That could prompt another complaint from the Campaign Legal Center, but it’s unlikely to go anywhere: with an equal number of Democratic and Republican commissioners, the agency has been stuck in partisan gridlock for years.

    “These are serious violations because the federal system is designed to be insulated from spending outside of limits,” he said. “But the FEC rarely enforces the laws, and in the case of Trump they have a particularly awful track record, so I don’t expect that they’re going to change here. Obviously I hope they do as this is a clear violation, but we recognize what we’re up against.”

    Same song, different day.

  4. Mikey says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Every accusation is actually a confession.

  5. Mikey says:

    I don’t watch a lot of football, and wasn’t watching last night’s Bills vs. Bengals game, but coincidentally saw the replay of Bills safety Damar Hamlin collapsing on the field after a play.

    He had just completed a tackle and apparently an impact to his chest happened at just the right (wrong) time, and it stopped his heart, an occurrence termed commotio cordis.

    According to news reports, CPR was performed and an automated external defibrillator applied to restart his heartbeat. He’s in the hospital in critical condition.

    Hopefully he was not without a pulse for too long and will recover, although he may never play again.

  6. Scott says:

    So on brand:

    McCarthy Proposes Gutting Office of Congressional Ethics in Bid for Speaker

    But buried in the text was another provision that could be highly consequential for the new Congress being sworn in on Tuesday: language that would effectively gut the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE), as the independent panel faces pressure to investigate lawmakers who participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mikey: Yep, pure projection.

  8. daryl and his brother darryl says:

    My thoughts are with Hamlin, a solid kid and victim of a freak accident. Details are sketchy but it appears he will survive.
    Meanwhile on Elon Musk’s Bluebird Cesspool, formerly known as Twitter, is abuzz with anti-vaxxers claiming that, without question, the incident is vaccine related. And anyone who cannot see that is a conspiracy theorist.

  9. daryl and his brother darryl says:

    In other news, water is wet.

  10. Kathy says:


    That was a terrible thing to happen.

  11. Sleeping Dog says:

    In today’s chapter of Mr. Santos goes to Washington. Of course R’s will seat him and stripping power of the ethics committee will protect him, at least from his peers. The emerging Federal and State criminal investigations will complicate his life, but R’s will rally behind him, claiming that Dems are persecuting him.

    But then there is this little tidbit: Brazilian Authorities Will Revive Fraud Case Against George Santos

    But an older criminal case may be more pressing: Brazilian law enforcement authorities intend to revive fraud charges against Mr. Santos, and will seek his formal response, prosecutors said on Monday.

    The matter, which stemmed from an incident in 2008 regarding a stolen checkbook, had been suspended for the better part of a decade because the police were unable to locate him.

    A spokeswoman for the Rio de Janeiro prosecutor’s office said that with Mr. Santos’s whereabouts identified, a formal request will be made to the U.S. Justice Department to notify him of the charges, a necessary step after which the case will proceed with or without him.


    The next step for Brazilian prosecutors is to file a petition when the courts reopen at the end of the week requesting that Mr. Santos respond to the charges against him. A judge would then share the request, called a rogatory letter, with the federal Justice Ministry in Brazil, which would share it with the U.S. Department of Justice. Neither the Justice Department nor Brazilian authorities can compel Mr. Santos to respond at this point. But Mr. Santos must be officially notified in order for the case to proceed.

    A criminal conviction, even for a felony, is not on its own an act that would disqualify a congressional member from holding office. The last time a member of Congress was removed from office for breaking the law was in 2002, when James A. Traficant Jr. was removed from the House after his conviction on felony racketeering and corruption charges.

    Here’s hoping that Lula’s DoJ files an extradition request.

  12. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Today in shitty billionaires news, ‘Burned the hill down’: billionaire’s runaway fireworks spark New Zealand furore

    Residents of a New Zealand town are calling for a ban on private fireworks after a display by a New York billionaire set off a blaze on New Year’s Eve. Ten minutes into the new year, firefighters were called to fight multiple grass fires at the property of Tony Malkin – chief executive of the entity that owns the Empire State Building – after an extravagant private fireworks display went awry near Queenstown in Central Otago. By morning the fire was extinguished, after coming within metres of one of two dwellings on the Malkin estate, known as Redemption Song, pictures including satellite images show. It burned around 0.5ha in total.

    The display had gone ahead despite a petition by local people concerned about the impact on animals. People are now calling for a wider ban on private fireworks displays.
    Malkin was yet to apologise for the blaze, Quinn said. A spokesperson for the Malkins said the family would not be making any comment other than that they were “deeply grateful for the expert work” of FENZ and the police.

    In comments reported before the display, the property owners said: “As a courtesy beyond any requirement, mindful of house pets and livestock, we have reached out to neighbours to ensure they are apprised of our plans. We will happily consider any reasonable request from our immediate neighbors for financial assistance to move their livestock. We are sorry for any inconvenience”

    Like a bad neighbor,
    Malkin is there.

    He’s lucky they were able to contain the fire to his property.

  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    On 24 February, when Russia invaded, there were only a few dozen Ukrainian professional soldiers in Ukraine’s north-eastern city of Sumy, and they had no command centre. That evening, those 50 or so paratroopers were ordered to leave the city – about 20 miles (30km) from the Russian border – for another area. Most of the police force had already fled, along with much of the city’s leadership.

    Sumy’s residents were left, confused and in shock, to defend the city on their own as Russian forces rolled towards them. The Sumy self-defence forces, which formed for the most part on the first day of the invasion, managed to hold the city for almost six weeks, despite being encircled. After 6 April, the Russian forces were pushed out of Sumy region, and most of the self-defence forces members then joined the army where they are now serving.

    Sumy region borders Russia on two sides, to the north and east. The efforts of Sumy self-defence forces and ordinary residents inside and outside the city contributed to the disruption of the Russian supply lines from the Russian border to Kyiv. Their efforts helped prevent Russian forces from successfully surrounding the capital and seizing control of the country’s command centre.

    Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has commended Sumy’s territorial defence forces several times. In his New Year’s Eve address, the equivalent of the queen or king’s Christmas Day speech in Britain, Zelenskiy singled out Sumy’s resistance efforts, describing how ordinary residents became the “bone in the throat” of the Russians.

    It’s a good read, and short too.

  14. CSK says:

    The NYTimes has a guest essay today by Mara Altman positing that tall people cause climate change.

    I guess those of us who are over 5’8″ should show our commitment to halting environmental destruction by killing ourselves.

  15. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Hmmmm… I’m 5′-8 without my boots but 5′-9 with them. Guess I better just go barefoot from now on.

  16. Jen says:

    @CSK: As someone who has to stretch to make it to 5′ on a good day, I guess yay me?

  17. CSK says:

    Mara Altman is 5’0″, so she probably has a vested interest in this.

  18. Scott says:

    I wish this was all on the tube:

    ‘I earned this job’: Republicans explode in meeting before speaker vote

    Again, my neo-Confederate so-called legislator Chip Roy:

    It wasn’t just the California Republican calling out the conservative hardliners. Many of McCarthy’s frustrated supporters, too, unloaded on the band of detractors. At one point, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) threatened that any Republican who opposes McCarthy should be stripped of committee assignments, prompting shouted profanity from Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas).

    BTW, I hope the Democrats make life hard for the Republicans here just by kibitzing, parliamentary roadblocks, etc. And have a blast doing it.

  19. Kylopod says:

    @Scott: I remember a cartoon during the 2000 Florida debacle, I haven’t been able to dig it up. Gore and Bush are having a literal tug of war with a life-sized cutout of the state of Florida. Gore says “I had it first.” Bush says “But Jeb promised it to me!”

  20. Jen says:

    @CSK: I read the piece, and it reads like something from The Onion.

    I don’t know what to make of it, really. I mean, I joke about being the only one who might be okay with airline seats (although frankly those are becoming uncomfortable even for me), but…the piece is odd. I mean sure, if everyone was shorter we’d use fewer resources, but…that would also hold true if there were just fewer people. It’s a ridiculous thought experiment with little thought behind it.

  21. Kurtz says:


    That was awful. Watching it in real time was confusing and heartbreaking. I commented on the vaccine thread, but I’ll say it here as well:

    A bunch of morons were attributing his condition to the Covid vaccine immediately.

  22. Scott says:

    @CSK: Being 5’6″, I have an opinion on this but I think I’ll keep it to myself.

  23. Mikey says:


    It’s getting ugly. Kevin McCarthy says Matt Gaetz told him he doesn’t care if Hakeem Jeffries becomes speaker.
    11:12 AM · Jan 3, 2023

    At this point, I can’t understand why McCarthy still wants the job. This is just a small preview of the utter shrieking shitshow he’d have to deal with for the next two years (at least).

  24. Beth says:


    Because he’s a talentless idiot whose hubris has convinced him that it’s his chance to shine. This moron thinks he can actually control these maniacs.

    Jeffries should have exactly one Democrat vote for the Idiot every couple of ballots. Just to give him a little hope.

  25. Beth says:


    A lot of Trans women hate being, on average, tall. Not me. I luxuriate in it. I‘m 6’0 and I love wearing all boots or heels. There is something very enjoyable about watching men trying to figure out how they feel when confronted by a tall woman.

    Also, being able to get things from a high shelf is a superpower.

  26. Michael Reynolds says:


    BTW, I hope the Democrats make life hard for the Republicans here just by kibitzing, parliamentary roadblocks, etc. And have a blast doing it.

    I think Democrats should, um, help, by publicly endorsing McCarthy as a ‘Republican we can work with.’ Joe Biden should support McCarthy.

  27. Joe says:


    Mara Altman is 5’0″

    To Mara Altman, I am tall. To Beth, not so much.

  28. Scott says:

    Watching the vote on House.gov. They are only up to the H’s and it looks like McCarthy already had enough votes against him to preclude a win on the first vote. So far 3 votes for Biggs and 2 for Jordan. Though Jordan will probably turn his votes back over to McCarthy.

  29. daryl and his brother darryl says:

    Tesla stock is currently at $104.84.
    I think it might be worth buying if it dips below $100.
    But that’s just my opinion.

  30. daryl and his brother darryl says:

    I think Jeffries could win if he could get a Republican to put his name on a ballot.

  31. CSK says:

    Yes. Every time a young person dies unexpectedly it’s because she or he was a victim of the “clot shot.”
    I’m very glad you relish it.
    It’s so silly. Height is often relative.

  32. MarkedMan says:

    @Mikey: McCarthy always supported Gaetz despite the corruption, despite the sex trafficking of minors, despite Jan 6th, because he wanted to be Speaker so bad and felt he needed Gaetz’s support. I wonder how it feels to abase and humiliate yourself for nothing? Worse than nothing! Gaetz is actively against him!

  33. Sleeping Dog says:

    @daryl and his brother darryl:

    Bottom fishing is about the toughest call while investing. I saw the other day that even at `$104/share, that Tesla was trading at about 3x more expensive than other automakers. And Tesla is an auto maker, and not a tech company.

  34. daryl and his brother darryl says:

    @daryl and his brother darryl:
    Hakeem Jeffries go more votes in this first round than ANY Republican.
    I can’t with to hear why the NY Times thinks this is bad for Joe Biden.

  35. MarkedMan says:

    @Sleeping Dog: Yep. And Tesla has a huge liability hanging over it – it has promoted “Full Self Driving” and charge people a whole lot of money for it, without delivering. And quite likely their limited self driving capability is going to be held liable for a number of accidents and deaths. I don’t even know how you begin to factor that into their valuation.

  36. Kathy says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    The vote is alphabetical and aloud, as I understand it.

    So, if it’s clear Kevin will win, AOC should vote by saying: After what he promised me, of course I vote for Kevin.

  37. Jen says:

    Annnnnd….in the first round of voting for Speaker in the Republican-led House, the person who received the most votes is…

    Rep. Jeffries. (D-NY8).

    Republicans IN DISARRAY.

  38. Mister Bluster says:

    I have found the live video feed. Now that the first round is over is there anywhere that I can see a tally of the votes?

    Edit: Just saw the clerk read the votes.

  39. Mister Bluster says:

    Gym Jordon is telling jokes!

    Gaetz just nominated Jordon for speaker in the second round.
    Was Jordon nominated on the first round?

  40. Sleeping Dog says:

    David French Joins The Times as an Opinion Columnist

    Soon, the Times opinion page will be accused of being the Yankees of punditry.

  41. Kathy says:

    Here’s what I’m thinking for next weekend:

    Sautee a lot of mushrooms with a little oil, add 1/4 cup sherry and let it be consumed. Next take about half and liquefy in a blender with some milk, cottage cheese, and beef broth (from bouillon cubes).

    In the same pot saute some onions and garlic, add some ground beef, stir. add 2 cups of beef broth (hot), add some lentils, cook the lentils. Add back the liquefied mushroom mix, add back the rest of the cooked mushrooms. Stir, season, add some corn and chickpeas.

    To the side I’m thinking garlic potatoes au gratin. For that I figure mixing some sweet cream with a lot of minced garlic and chives, and let it stand for some time. Next a baking dish with a layer of potatoes, a layer of cream, and a layer of cheese. Next more potatoes, then more cream. Bake covered in foil. When done, remove the foil, adda last layer of cheese,a nd bake again for 10-20 minutes for the top layer to melt and brown.

  42. Gustopher says:

    My deep desire to watch things burn makes me want the Democrats to vote for the most insane, least capable Republican. Make the face of the Republican Party be a lunatic.

    So many opportunities for mischief.

  43. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Beth: There is something very enjoyable about watching men trying to figure out how they feel when confronted by a tall woman.

    Heh, my son doesn’t have to worry much, yet. His eldest (14 yo) daughter is 5′-9″, plays defensive end on her HS football team, is on the girls wrestling team, rides horses regularly (steeplechase) etc etc etc. All the boys are terrified of her.

    Now, when it comes to his 2 youngest daughters….

  44. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: So, if it’s clear Kevin will win, AOC should vote by saying: After what he promised me, of course I vote for Kevin.

    HA! You’ve got a sinister side I did not know of.

  45. Jen says:

    McCarthy loses again on the second round of voting, according to CNN.

    This is…not a good look for him.

  46. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jen: Popcorn anyone?

  47. CSK says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Jen:

    With crap like this being published, it’s no wonder climate change advocates have a hard time.

  48. dazedandconfused says:
  49. MarkedMan says:

    I’ve got a random prediction for the Senate: The lobbyists are going to run all over Bernie Sanders on the Senate’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. This article is talking about how, as chair, he’s putting the fear of god in to them, but it’s all based on his hostility. In reality he has never really seemed interested in legislation or understanding the ins and outs of it. This excerpt from a 2020 Daily Beast article sums up one aspect:

    That line, like similar ones offered by former Vice President Joe Biden, was meant to undercut the notion that Sanders can deliver the big changes he’s promising. And, for the purposes of those making the accusation, it has the virtue of being statistically true. Of the 422 bills for which Sanders has been the lead sponsor during his nearly 30 years in Congress, only three have become law, according to Congress.gov. Two of them were perfunctory bills to name post offices. 

    “Sen. Sanders is not a team player,” one former lawmaker told The Daily Beast. “He is an ideologue, he is rigid, he is inflexible—he has a point of view that is locked down, and it’s not going to change; he’s not interested in compromise.” The Senate, said a former colleague of Sanders’, “is a place where almost everything is done with others. If you’re going to be effective and get things done, you have to work with others. That’s not Sen. Sanders’ typical style.”

    But there’s another, perhaps more important facet of Bernie’s character: he is easily manipulated by stroking his ego. As an example, he was totally rolled by the Dem Party bureaucrats during his crusade to reform the Democratic Primary Caucus system. For years, Party officials have been trying to get the individual states to move away from caucuses in favor of primaries. Bernie did better against Clinton in caucuses and so he favored them. But he also felt cheated out of the Iowa Caucus, but couldn’t prove it because caucuses by their very nature leave little written documentation behind, and so he wanted to reform that part of the process. Long story short, Dem officials let him take charge and “helped” him make sure everyone had equal opportunity to vote in each round, including people who couldn’t attend because of disabilities, age, etc, and that each round was rigorously documented. This was the one thing that Bernie expended political capital on after his loss. The result? Because of the added complexity and expense and potential for disaster (see Iowa 2020) we will likely go from thirteen caucus states when he ran to at most three in the next election.

  50. JohnSF says:

    6′ 1” here, and glorying in the misery I inflict upon a helpless world of lesser beings! Bwahahhhaaha!
    Now, where’s that “how to turn into snake” spell?

  51. wr says:

    @Beth: “There is something very enjoyable about watching men trying to figure out how they feel when confronted by a tall woman.”

    One advantage of being 5’5″ is that I assume most people will be taller than me, and have never had a problem with women who are part of that vast majority of humanity…

  52. Joe says:


    It’s so silly. Height is often relative.

    In the movie Hook, when Robin Williams as the grown up Peter Pan first confronts the famously short Dustin Hoffman as the titular Captain, Pan says to Hook, “I remember you as taller” to which Hook deadpans, “to small children I am a giant.”

  53. Michael Reynolds says:

    6’2″ when I wake up in the morning.

    After news, work, assorted bullshit from kids and accountants, I’m about 5’8″ by the time I crawl into bed.

  54. JohnSF says:

    @daryl and his brother darryl:
    @Sleeping Dog:
    Just remember the European auto industry innermost secret truth:
    | ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄|
    | ALWAYS |
    | WINS |
    | _______|
    (\__/) ||
    (•ㅅ•) ||
    /   づ

  55. MarkedMan says:

    OK, two more random predictions:
    One, I’m pretty sure of: Kevin McCarthy will not be Speaker
    Two, less so: Jim Jordan will, and the sexual assaults that took place under his watch will be re-litigated for months

    And, not a prediction, but a delicious scenario: McCarthy and his backers eventually recognize that he will never win and, angry and frustrated, they toss the ball to the crazies, who are also incompetent buffoons. In the chaos that ensues, the Dems get a vote called when 211 or fewer Republicans are on the floor, and Jeffries becomes Speaker.

  56. JohnSF says:

    There a several similar stories from the early days of the war. Especially the Battle of Mykolaiv and the Battle of Voronesensk.
    IMO it illustrates something in modern Ukraine.

    I remember a quote somewhere, but damned if I can remeber byy whom:

    “Ukrainians are what American libertarians like to fantasise they are.”

    Funny thing is, Ukraines have a massive anarchist streak, but its anarcho-communitarian, not libertarian-individualistic.
    With good reason.

    When your history of governments includes Mongol khans, Ottomans, Russian Tsars, Bolsheviks, and dodgy oligarchs as the recent best of the bunch, a good deal of inherited cynicism re. the benevolence and competence of governments is understandable.
    But also, the knowledge that as a cossack band, a settler village, a serf community, workers in that new factories, whatever, you’re best hope is to stick together.

    It’s a legacy that has had it’s darker side (suspicion of those outside the community) but at least it is realistic and capable of organization in emergencies. And now it is welding together a nation.

  57. Mister Bluster says:

    …they (Republican Representatives who oppose McCarthy) are our enemies now…
    Dan Crenshaw R-Tex

  58. Gustopher says:

    @MarkedMan: More delicious scenario — Democrats threaten to support a complete Q loon if 5 Republicans won’t vote for Jeffries on the next ballot.

    And then just keep alternating between voting for Jeffries one ballot, and Boebert or someone on the next. Can the Republicans keep everyone for voting for the loon?

    Anyway, i guess I support a Gym Jordan speakership, because whoever is Speaker is going to be completely destroyed by the process.

  59. Mister Bluster says:

    What a bunch of slugs. Can’t pull an all nighter’. Adjourned till noon tomorrow.

  60. Monala says:

    Because of the Republican failure to elect a House Speaker, my Senator, Patty Murry, is now second in line for the presidency.

  61. Monala says:

    On Twitter today, I saw a bunch of folks talking about a new column by Rod Dreher. I read the column. It was a rambling tale of his recent discovery (outed by a journalist) that his dad was a member of the KKK. I couldn’t clearly understand his point(s), which included how when he was young and stupid, he used to argue with his dad about racism being wrong, and now thinks that racism is still wrong but maybe his dad had a point (think about how terrible and sexual black culture is!). How his dad was still a good man, because he used to paternalistically sometimes do nice things for his black tenants, even though he considered them inferior. How his dad ruined his marriage and led his (Rod’s) wife to leave him. How he hopes his dad repented of his racism on his death bed. How “woke” liberals are no better than his dad. Etc…

  62. Slugger says:

    Back to the height discussion. I am watching The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly right now. Eli Wallach (5’7”) does not impress less than Clint (6’4”). The fact that I am a 5’7” Ashkenaz like Eli didn’t influence my thinking at all.

  63. CSK says:


    No reason why it should.

  64. MarkedMan says:

    Does anyone know if the Dems can call a vote since there is no speaker yet?

  65. Gustopher says:

    @Monala: But, can Patty Murray kill the President and Vice President, and then pardon herself?

    I’m not saying she would, or that she should, but if this was a terrible tv show, would that work?

  66. Jax says:

    I was out plowing snow today, and about 40 ft away I noticed a jackrabbit hunkering down in a snow hole. Next thing I knew, a bald eagle dove down on him and grabbed him with his talons, flapped his wings and landed about 6 ft away in a big puff of snow. He looked at me, I looked at him, he looked at his rabbit and took a big chunk right out of his neck with his beak. I didn’t want to disturb his meal, so I turned around and went the other direction. When I went back by, all that was left was a few bits of fur, blood stains and some really impressive wing impressions on the snow.

    So that was my fun for the day, other than watching the GOP meltdown. 😛

  67. CSK says:


    That does sound like a great time.

  68. Beth says:


    I wonder what the conditions for this to happen are?is it that support for McCarthy just starts dribbling away and then stabilizes at a large, but not convincing about? Do the Dems decide to hang together for the long haul. I don’t mean voting for McCarthy, just showing up.


    Uhhh, WTF? Slightly related, I mentioned to my partner that I don’t like the new Disney movie “Strange World”. It’s got a bunch of stuff I should like, but I don’t. I was like I don’t get why I don’t like this movie. Her response was that of course I don’t like it, it’s about dads. Maybe Dreher watched it a couple of times and got agitated.


    Umm, ewww.

  69. Scott O says:

    @Monala: ” I couldn’t clearly understand his point(s)”
    I know the feeling. His columns are interesting in the train wreck kind of way.

    Marco Rubio has a piece on that site today. Some of it sounds like he’s channeling Bernie Sanders.

    “Both parties sided with Warren Buffet over the rail workers last month.”
    “we need to rebalance our domestic economy by putting Wall Street in its place. ”

    Some of it sounds like he’s channeling MTG.

    “Our schools are a cesspool of Marxist indoctrination.”
    “The left would be at home in a fallen America that hands out crack pipes to its citizens and a world dominated by an atheistic, communist regime.”

    Maybe he’s getting ready to run for president again.

  70. Jax says:

    @CSK: It was pretty fun plowing snow, too. I wish I had a real plow and not just a tractor and bucket on the loader. You can make some pretty big piles with two feet of snow on the ground! Finally got my car plowed out…..good thing, cuz I’m almost out of booze. 😛

  71. Jax says:

    @Beth: Yeah. PETA should really have a talk with those birds of prey about how they just rip pieces off like that. I’ve seen hawks start with the legs when they catch mice. Not sure how long the poor bastards last after that.

  72. Stormy Dragon says:

    Democrats win the PA house by one seat, giving them control of a chamber in the state legislature for the first time in 12 years, nominate an anti-trans Roman Catholic guy as speaker who immediately after being elected speaker leaves the Democratic Party, so they now no longer control the chamber.

    Seriously, moderates can go fuck themselves

  73. Mikey says:

    Who could have predicted a party fundamentally opposed to good governance would be unable to execute one of the most basic, nug-level actions of government?

    And who knows what godawful shit will eventually be required to finally elect a Speaker? Instant no-confidence votes that will periodically throw the House into chaos? Reinstatement of the Holman rule so the QAnon Caucus can threaten federal agents with the elimination of their salaries if they dare to investigate Republican malfeasance?

    If there is any silver lining to this utter debacle, it’s that it is now abundantly clear to the American people which party wants to do the actual fucking job its members were sent to Washington to do. Hopefully the message sinks in.

  74. MarkedMan says:

    @Stormy Dragon: The take from my deep-into-politics and further-left-than-me PA relations is quite different. Dems gain control by one seat but because some Dems got elected to higher office, three seats are vacant. The Republicans therefore have the votes and the Dems are going to lose control for the session, even though they will have the majority when the seats get filled by special election or appointment. All looks lost until they cut a deal with the devil, a former Dem turned independent. Yes, it might be a disaster, but it certainly would have been a disaster if there had been a Republican speaker.

  75. gVOR08 says:

    @Monala: Gee thanks. I pay a little attention to TAC but hadn’t seen that Dreher column. So I felt I had to go read it. Gave up on reading and started skimming. It’s still ten minutes I’ll never get back.

    If I squint a bit, I think I may see what he was trying to say, but he buries it in so many words it’s hard to know. Who was it who apologized for the length of a letter, saying he didn’t have time to write something shorter? Dreher puts out a really impressive volume of writing. I wonder if he’s ever considered outlining before he launches off. I believe one’s writing style reflects one’s thinking. Dreher’s seems a bit confused.

  76. steve says:

    Stubbed my toe going to the fridge. I blame it on the vaccine shot I got a couple months ago.


  77. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Scott: @Jen: It keeps getting worse, too!

    That happened Tuesday on what should have been a moment of triumph for McCarthy and his colleagues. Three roll-call votes for speaker not only failed to secure the speakership for McCarthy or anyone else but each time generated the most votes for the Democratic leader, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries — an unprecedented outcome that hints at the governing difficulties Republicans will have in the House from here. [emphasis added]

    Injuries! Injuries! Rah-rah-rah!

  78. MarkedMan says:

    @steve: Hey! I stubbed my toe going to the fridge too. I blame it on the vaccine shot you got a couple months ago.

  79. Jax says:

    @steve: I, too, stubbed my toe on the corner of the fridge, and it’s definitely steve’s vaccination shot’s fault. I’m prepared to sue for damages. Stay tuned for my new gofundme link and youtube/podcast address!

  80. Jax says:

    I was thinking about this yesterday and today in the tractor. Alllllll these people making money off the rubes being gullible….money in the MILLIONS…..and all they gotta do is sound convincing and piss people off. I mean….I could do that. And then I wouldn’t have to plow all 3 miles of my own damn road, I could easily pay someone to do it.

  81. steve says:

    Sorry! If only I had realized Fauci was really trying to kill me, or at least my toe.