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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter

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  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Alex Murdaugh is testifying in his own defense, and admits to being a serial liar.

    He blamed his deception on paranoia brought by panic, compounded by his addiction to prescription painkillers, and described a cascading effect as lies mounted on each other. “What a tangled web we weave …” he said, adding that once he started lying he had to “keep lying”.

    In a startling reversal, however, the once-powerful South Carolina lawyer admitted to lying for 20 months about a key detail in his account of the night that Maggie and Paul Murdaugh were killed on the family’s hunting estate. Contradicting his previous claims, Murdaugh said that he did, in fact, visit the kennels where they were later found dead of gunshot wounds.
    …………………….
    Previously he had denied being at the kennels. Yet in a video clip of the family’s dogs, which prosecutors say was taken by Paul Murdaugh about four minutes before he died, his father can be heard shouting, “Come here, Bubba!” to a dog.

    I can’t wait for the cross examination.

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  2. Sleeping Dog says:

    GOP Politician Uses Polish Slur In Speech Claiming Party Isn’t Bigoted

    “Doesn’t matter what your race, your color, your creed, Norwegian, Polack, Somalian, you name it. But folks, we have concerns about this — and yet when we bring those concerns up on this floor, tonight we were called white national racists,” he said.

    Let them keep talking and all will be revealed. Somalian is incorrect, Somali being the proper identifier, but that can be chalked up to ignorance.

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  3. Scott says:

    It’s really long but I urge everyone to take some time out (about an hour) and read Politico’s oral history of the lead up to the Ukraine invasion. It’s a real good tick tock of the entire response of the US (and other governments) to the Russian building threat and then invasion of Ukraine.

    ‘Something Was Badly Wrong’: When Washington Realized Russia Was Actually Invading Ukraine. A first-ever oral history of how Washington insiders saw the warning signs of a European land war, their frantic attempts to stop it — and the moment Putin actually crossed the border.

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  4. MarkedMan says:

    This is from a retired US 4th Circuit Court of Appeals Justice (no subscription needed) who also has served as an advisor to Mike Pence, regarding Pence’s claim that his position as President of the Senate gives him immunity from testifying:

    Any protections the former vice president is entitled to under the “speech and debate” clause will be few in number and limited in scope. There are relatively few circumstances in which a former vice president would be entitled to constitutional protection for his conversations related to his ceremonial and ministerial roles of presiding over the electoral vote count. What Mr. Smith wants to know about are Mr. Pence’s communications and interactions with Mr. Trump before, and perhaps during, the vote count, which are entirely fair game for a grand jury investigating possible crimes against the United States.

    We can expect the federal courts to make short shrift of this “Hail Mary” claim, and Mr. Pence doesn’t have a chance in the world of winning his case in any federal court and avoiding testifying before the grand jury.

    Here’s my prediction. Regardless of how they eventually decide, the Republican Supreme’s will help drag this out as long as possible, hoping to render it moot. And if they are eventually forced to decide, they are as likely to rule in favor of the Republican’s as in favor of the law, content that the case is so narrow that it is very unlikely to create a precedent that may some day benefit a Democrat. And of course, if it did, they would not hesitate to manufacture some reasons why that is not appropriate.

    I hope I’m wrong, but this court is so obviously political, I have little hope of anything but blatantly partisan decisions from them.

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  5. SC_Birdflyte says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: This case is so surrealistic that a theory I’ve seen in the SC press is that the real killers were hired by people Alex Murdaugh had rooked; they forced him to watch the executions of his wife and son. It’s far-fetched, but it seems to make about as much sense as any other explanation.

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  6. CSK says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t know that “Somalian” was incorrect, though as far as I can recall I’ve always used “Somali.”

    But “Polack”? Good God.

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  7. CSK says:

    Trump’s pal Nick Fuentes has been put on the no-fly list after threatening a flight attendant who asked him to comply with the airline’s mask requirement.

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  8. charon says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Let them keep talking and all will be revealed. Somalian is incorrect, Somali being the proper identifier, but that can be chalked up to ignorance.

    The same probably for “Polack,” which is likely the only usage he has ever heard – it shows the nature of the culture he is part of.

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  9. charon says:

    @CSK:

    But “Polack”? Good God.

    It’s about who he is used to talking to.

    Analogies are always a bit flawed, but imagine you are Scarlet O’Hara, living on the plantation, going to debutante balls etc. – would Scarlet think anything of it hearing or using the N word?

  10. Scott says:

    @CSK: Which airline? As far as I can tell, there are only a few foreign airlines that still have a mask mandate?

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  11. Sleeping Dog says:

    @CSK:

    Somalian is an easy mistake to make, the prior nationality that he mentioned was Norwegian. But for a state legislator, giving a speech in a debate over driver’s licenses for undocumented immigrants, speaks to his attitude.

    Frankly, I only knew that Somali was correct, because I lived in Mpls for 25 years and the Somali community was well established when I left.

  12. Sleeping Dog says:

    @charon:

    Not in MN, there is a decent size Polish community in the state and since they were one of the last immigrant groups through the door before the migration from Africa and Latin America began, they were the butt of lots of jokes. I have long litany of Polish jokes that were being told on stage by comedians and other performers well into the 80’s. His using “Polack” qualifies as a Kinsley Gaffe.

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  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Awwwwwww, Pobrecito…

  14. CSK says:

    @Scott:
    I just found out that this happened in 2021; the original story I read wasn’t clear. There’s more here:

    http://www.yahoo.com/now/real-reason-nick-fuentes-put-093056709.html

    @charon:
    In GWTW, Scarlett uses “n*****” once and then reflects on how appalled her mother would have been.

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  15. charon says:

    Noted, I stand corrected.

  16. CSK says:

    @charon:
    GWTW is quite revealing of southern customs, particularly of what “ladies” and “gentlemen” should never, ever do or say.

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  17. charon says:

    @CSK:

    I’ll confess, it’s been many years since I read it, once, so no detailed familiarity.

  18. CSK says:

    @charon:
    There are a lot of apparent throwaway lines in that book that have more significance than one would think at first.

    When I was a young teenager, I asked a southern schoolmate how accurate GWTW about southern customs, and she said: “Pretty accurate.”

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  19. Scott says:

    Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine

    One year ago today, Russia launched an unprovoked and indefensible full-scale invasion of its peaceful and democratic neighbor Ukraine. One year on, the commitment of the United States, together with some 50 countries who have rallied to rush urgently needed assistance to Ukraine, has only strengthened.

    Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) is announcing a new security assistance package to reaffirm the steadfast support of the United States for Ukraine’s brave defenders and strengthen Ukraine’s air defenses. This package, which totals $2 billion, is being provided under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) as part of our commitment to Ukraine’s long-term security.

    Capabilities in this security assistance package include:

    • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
    • Additional 155mm artillery rounds;
    • Munitions for laser-guided rocket systems;
    • CyberLux K8 UAS;
    • Switchblade 600 UAS;
    • Altius-600 UAS;
    • Jump 20 UAS;
    • Counter-UAS and electronic warfare detection equipment;
    • Mine clearing equipment;
    • Secure communications support equipment;
    • Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.

    Should be noted that this assistance is under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Means it is not drawn out of existing stocks but has to be contracted for. I hope DoD is using expedited contracting techniques but regardless, delivery is in the sometime future.

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  20. wr says:

    @Sleeping Dog: “Doesn’t matter what your race, your color, your creed, Norwegian, Polack, Somalian, you name it.”

    This was a constantly repeated joke on All in the Family, when Archie would try to make a statement about how everyone is equal and then use slurs for just about everybody. How far we have come in fifty years!

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  21. SC_Birdflyte says:

    @Scott: Lufthansa did, as of when we flew them in October.

  22. CSK says:

    @wr:
    Sample dialogue from AITF:

    Mike: “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”

    Archie: “And stupid is in the head of the Polack.”

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  23. Kylopod says:

    @wr: @CSK: Archie even calls his Irish-American neighbor Irene a “mick,” which is interesting given Carroll O’Connor’s ethnic background. (On the British show All in the Family was based on, the character was played by a Jewish actor, Warren Mitchell.)

    It’s also interesting that he idolizes Richard E. Nixon, given that the Nixon Tapes later revealed that Nixon talked just like this—he made disparaging remarks about Irish and Italians, among others.

    It’s odd how quaint this type of bigotry has become over the past 50 years.

  24. MarkedMan says:

    @Kylopod: The groups have changed, but the bigotry has not. Bigotry is built into animals and humans are animals.

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  25. Scott says:

    Only in Texas?

    Texas superintendent resigns after 3rd grader finds gun

    A superintendent in Texas has resigned after parents in the district learned he left a firearm unattended in a school bathroom for a third grader to find.

    Last week, former superintendent Stuteville confirmed that a third-grade student had found his gun in the bathroom at Rising Star Elementary School back in January. The child notified a teacher immediately without moving or touching the weapon.

    While using the restroom, Stuteville said, he took the gun off and placed it in a stall, where it was then left unattended for around 15 minutes until it was found by the student.

    The child’s parents said the student returned to the classroom and notified the teacher, who sent a second student into the bathroom to confirm it was a real gun.

    “There was never a danger other than the obvious,” Stuteville claimed. He then went on to say he was “proud” of the student and commended his behavior after finding the firearm.

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  26. @Scott: That happened once at my university, although with an undergraduate finding the weapon and not a 3rd grader. Some dipshit (I never found out for sure who it was, but I have a pretty good idea) left it on the top of the toilerpaper dispenser in the stall of the men’s room.

    The cavalierness of it all just angers me, to be honest.

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  27. Joe says:

    @Kylopod: Not sure why Carroll O’Connor playing a person bigoted against the Irish is, in any way, odd. “Acting” and all. Give what little I know I would pretty surprised if Mr. O’Connor personally had any affinity with Nixon. Norman Lear produced the show and yet there was plenty of antisemitism. At the end of the day, they weren’t glorifying any of it – quite the opposite.

    When I was kid, probably up until college-age in the late ‘70s, “Polack” was a pretty common word and Polack jokes were the coin of the realm. It made us giggle when Hamlet refers to the Polish army as “the Polack is in the field.” Now that word just looks odd to me and sounds odder. Hopefully, that’s what growing up will get you.

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  28. CSK says:

    @Joe:
    AFAIK, O’Connor himself was quite liberal.

    Lear made Bunker a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant so no viewers would be offended.

    Fiction writers were once told by their editors to make sure their villains were WASPs. Still true, I’m sure.

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  29. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Scott: @Steven L. Taylor: But they are the responsible gun owners the NRA is defending the rights of.

  30. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Joe: I had 3 uncles of Polish heritage. I think it was not until after I graduated HS (’76) before I learned that Polack was a slur.

  31. Kylopod says:

    @Joe:

    Not sure why Carroll O’Connor playing a person bigoted against the Irish is, in any way, odd.

    It isn’t odd, but it is an example of ironic casting. And there are many examples of Jewish actors playing anti-Semitic characters; I suspect it’s something they enjoy doing. Hell, the guy who played Hitler in War and Remembrance was Jewish.

    Another example of ironic casting: Giancarlo Esposito (who’s half-black, half-Italian) playing the guy in Do the Right Thing who complains about there being only Italians and no black people on the wall of a restaurant in a black neighborhood.

    When I was kid, probably up until college-age in the late ‘70s, “Polack” was a pretty common word and Polack jokes were the coin of the realm.

    I encountered it in the ’80s, and I was called a Polack a few times by other kids. Of course, this was in a yeshiva where a substantial number of the kids were of Polish extraction.

  32. Kylopod says:

    @CSK:

    AFAIK, O’Connor himself was quite liberal.

    He said the following in an interview: “I think probably the most stupid of all conservatives and right-wingers are the poor. No conservative government ever did anything for them, in England or in the United States. The Republicans — it’s not the poor man’s party! So Archie…was a dumbbell. He didn’t know why he was conservative…. He thought that they would keep the country racially pure.”

  33. Mister Bluster says:

    Every now and then events remind me that after 55 years I’m still living in southern Illinois.

    The name of the new Prospect League Baseball Team that will play at Rent One Park in Marion will be The Thrillville Thrillbillies.
    The announcement was made at The Big Reveal Party last night at Rent One Park emceed by Herby Voss, Marketing Specialist at the Black Diamond Family of Businesses. He announced the team name in front of an excited crowd and then revealed the Thrillville Thrillbillies’ mascots. A rabbit and a white-tailed deer that are depicted as the biggest of thrill-seekers on the team’s logo.
    On March 23, the public is invited back to the ballpark when the exciting plans to transform Rent One Park into the Capitol of Thrillville will be revealed.
    2/24/2023

    Be There or Be Square
    (it’s a good thing playoffs end in August before deer season and rabbit season starts)

    The Prospect League is a collegiate summer baseball league comprising teams of college players from North America and beyond. All players in the league must have NCAA eligibility remaining in order to participate. So as to maintain their college eligibility, players are not paid.
    WikiP

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  34. Stormy Dragon says:

    @CSK:

    Fiction writers were once told by their editors to make sure their villains were WASPs. Still true, I’m sure.

    One interesting facet of LGBT+ culture is how common “queer coding” in movie and television villains is and the effect that has been having on LGBT+ people growing up.

  35. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mister Bluster: Sounds like fun, wish Marion was a little further north.

  36. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: At least he didn’t call anybody a “dago” or a “wop.” Of course, it might be that dagos and wops aren’t white enough yet to be able to be white nationalist racists. (But I wouldn’t think that Somalians would be either.)

  37. Mister Bluster says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:..Sounds like fun,..
    I took my friend Joe to a Southern Illinois Miners game (Frontier League) at Rent One Park when he was alive. The ball park was new in 2007 when we went. It was a good time.
    The Miners folded after the 2021 season. Apparently the owners of the team didn’t want to have a baseball team any more.
    I hope the Thrillbillys make a go of it.

  38. CSK says:

    @Stormy Dragon:
    It would be very painful and alienating, I’m sure.

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Some people think only those of northern Europeans are white, excluding the Irish. The funny thing is, Hitler designated the Irish as Aryans. Second-class Aryans, to be sure, but Aryans
    nonetheless.

  39. Stormy Dragon says:

    @CSK:

    It would be very painful and alienating, I’m sure.

    In some ways it is, but it can also be empowering to see yourself in someone portrayed as powerful and dangerous and a lot end up identifying with those villains and even leaning into it. It’s one of threads running through the whole “be gay, do crimes” mantra.

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  40. CSK says:

    @Stormy Dragon:
    I can understand that perfectly: “If they think I’m so bad because I’m gay/trans, then I’ll show them what bad really is.”

  41. DAllenABQ says:

    Rod Dreher’s blog is ending at TAC. Not sad.

  42. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @DAllenABQ:

    The end of an era, but the start of a new one at Rod Dreher’s Diary, my Substack newsletter

    Still plenty to be sad about, though. 🙁

  43. dazedandconfused says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Yes, progress is always incremental and one can only expect just so much…

  44. JohnSF says:

    @CSK:
    I think I may have mentioned before, back in the 70’s read a book at a friends house.
    Can’t recall the title, it was about early & pre-history, archaeology etc, published in the 1930’s.
    Maybe by Childe? Memory fails.

    There was a bit on the Indo-European language group, which used the term Aryan, which hadn’t gotten the same baggage it has these days.
    And insisted that it was primarily a linguistic and secondly a cultural classification, and actually made some swipes in the footnotes about the stupidity of German National Socialist usages of “Aryan”.

    Pointing out that by any reasonable definition, the category included Persians (a.k.a. Iranians, Iran being a direct derivative of “arya”), Sanskrit and descendant Indian language/culture groups, Slavic, Celtic, Balt, Hellenic, Illyrian, Latin and Italic, Alan, Tocharian (everyone forgets the poor old Tocharians!), Anatolian, Armenian etc.

    Insisted that using “Aryan” to mean “Teutonic-Scandinavian” was daft. The author said something like “If one means German, one might as well say German.”

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  45. Gustopher says:

    NHPR has a short article and radio story about LGBT+ gun enthusiasts.

    https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2023-02-23/you-have-to-be-dangerous-back-why-some-lgbtq-people-in-new-hampshire-are-taking-up-arms

    Similar groups exist across the country, often under the name “Pink Pistols.” Rainbow Reload members stress that their mission goes beyond mere hobby: The goal is to prepare and protect themselves from a rising chorus of threats against LGBTQ+ people, including those stemming from hate groups.

    “If the world is dangerous, then you have to be dangerous back,”

    Interestingly the text is not a transcript of the radio story you can listen to on the page. They are many, many relatively minor differences. It’s a weird equivalent text.

  46. Gustopher says:

    @Stormy Dragon:

    It’s one of threads running through the whole “be gay, do crimes” mantra.

    I’m pretty sure “be gay, do crimes” is more of a joke, rather than advice. It gets sold on t-shirts. It pops up in video games (and is basically a subplot of the very excellent Night In The Woods)

    (Now I want to photoshop a “be gay ‘ do crimes” t-shirt on a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer, but that’s probably wrong)

  47. al Ameda says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    “Doesn’t matter what your race, your color, your creed, Norwegian, Polack, Somalian, you name it. But folks, we have concerns about this — and yet when we bring those concerns up on this floor, tonight we were called white national racists,” he said.


    These guys always
    claim that they’re being called white national racists, as if it’s a badge of victimhood honor. You know what, I’ll take “This Never Happened” for $800, Alex.

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  48. Stormy Dragon says:

    @Gustopher:

    It’s a joke, but also not? Most aren’t going out and committing actual crime sprees, but the idea that there’s no point in being good little “boys, girls, and others” in a society that hates you and instead LGBT+ should be in your face and out of control is very much not a joke.

    Assimilationism is getting less popular in light of the right wing backlash.

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  49. Stormy Dragon says:

    @Gustopher:

    I was in a Pink Pistols chapter for a while and ended up leaving because they were very much a “Log Cabin Republicans” vibe. Don’t know if that was typical of all Pink Pistols chapter, but it was very clear they were Republicans first and LGBT+ a distant second.