Monday’s Forum

James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Damn. William Hurt is gone. I think I’ll watch Body Heat tonight. One of his best roles.

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Tom Brady’s retirement lasted 40 days, after he said on Sunday he is returning to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for his 23rd season in the NFL.

    The seven-time Super Bowl champion announced his decision on Twitter and Instagram, saying he has “unfinished business.”

    “These past two months I’ve realized my place is still on the field and not in the stands,” Brady wrote. “That time will come. But it’s not now. I love my teammates, and I love my supportive family. They make it all possible. I’m coming back for my 23rd season in Tampa.”

    Is anyone surprised? Because I’m not surprised in the least. The competitive fires still burn bright in his heart.

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Heh, kicker at the end of the article:

    One person who will not welcome Sunday’s news is the collector who paid $518,000 on Saturday for the ball that had been thrown for the last-ever touchdown pass of Brady’s career on 23 January. One day later it turns out that the ball was merely Brady’s last touchdown pass of the 2021 season.


  4. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Barr: Trump should not be president but ‘lesser of two evils’ compared to US left

    If anyone knows evil, Bill Barr does. He is the personification of evil.

  5. wr says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: If you haven’t seen it, check out his first film, Altered States…

  6. OzarkHillbilly says:
  7. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @wr: It’s funny in a sorta sad way. As I was reading the article I realized I hadn’t seen any of the movies for which he received an Oscar nomination. Those were tumultuous years for me and movies weren’t a part of them. I got some edumacatin’ to do.

    eta meant to add or Altered States.
    finally got an edit function this AM.

  8. CSK says:

    “You’re not very bright, are you? I like that in a man.”

  9. OzarkHillbilly says:


    Saying anyone who disagrees with you should be investigated by police: not cancel culture

    Criticizing that or shifting in your seat when you hear it: probably cancel culture

    Rep Paul Gosar DDS

    To be clear, the so called “Don’t say Gay” bill, prohibits instruction about sexual orientation or gender identity between Kindergarten and 3rd Grade, when students are roughly between 5 and 9 years old. Anyone who has an issue with this should be investigated by the police.

  10. Scott says:

    Something different besides war and politics.

    We watched Steven Spielberg’s West Side Story over the weekend. It was good but not sure it was an essential remake.

    However, there was one change that absolutely worked. They replaced the store owner, Doc, with his widow, Valentina. Who was played by the great Rita Moreno. They also gave Rita Moreno, Somewhere, to sing. Previously, it was sung by the two young lovers, Tony and Maria. Moreno’s interpretation just had me practically bawling. Instead of Tony and Maria lamenting about themselves, Valentina’s interpretation was about her whole community. It was really powerful and great. The one part of the movie that stuck in my head.

    There’s a place for us,
    Somewhere a place for us.
    Peace and quiet and open air
    Wait for us

    There’s a time for us,
    Some day a time for us,
    Time together with time to spare,
    Time to look, time to care,
    Some day!

  11. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: Oh God, Turner killed it in that movie.

  12. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Scott: It was good but not sure it was an essential remake.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen an essential remake. I’m just satisfied if they find something new, something different in it.

  13. CSK says:

    She and that line were epic.

  14. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @CSK: She had a number of great lines. I’m sitting here trying to recall a favorite of mine I have often quoted and drawing a blank. I’ll remember it in an hour or 2.

    I just looked on a quote site and it isn’t there, but this perfect exchange is:

    Ned: You can stand here with me if you want but you’ll have to agree not to talk about the heat.

    Matty: I’m a married woman.

    Ned: Meaning what?

    Matty: Meaning I’m not looking for company.

    Ned: Then you should have said I’m a happily married woman.

    Ned: Can I buy you a drink?

    Matty: I told you. I’ve got a husband.

    Ned: I’ll buy him one too.

    Matty: He’s out of town.

    Ned: My favorite kind. We’ll drink to him.

    Matty: Only comes up on weekends.

    Ned: I’m liking him better all the time.

  15. CSK says:

    Ned: “Maybe you need a tune-up.”
    Matty: “Don’t tell me. You have just the right tool.”

  16. CSK says:

    A Russian man chained himself to a McDonald’s in Moscow, declaiming that “Closing down is an act of hostility against me and my fellow citizens.”

  17. Sleeping Dog says:


    After making the decision to retire, Tom may find it far more difficult to be mentally prepared for the next season than what it has taken him to prepare for past seasons.

  18. Mister Bluster says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:..The competitive fires still burn bright in his heart.

    We can only hope that it’s not just his wife’s cooking…

  19. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mister Bluster: Heh. Something tells me he didn’t marry her for her kitchen skills, but I could be wrong.

  20. Michael Reynolds says:

    BTW sorry for bailing yesterday. I literally just forgot about the thread and then life happened. I’ve started to go back through some of it. My bad.

  21. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Michael Reynolds: For my ownself, I have a long standing policy of never going back to dead threads from yesterday. Yesterday is gone, dead and buried. So should yesterday’s arguments. Just how I feel.


  22. CSK says:

    I don’t go back to them either. There’s always something new. Maybe not different, but new.

  23. Kathy says:

    Yesterday I attended a potential super-spreader event, known informally as a wedding.

    It was one of those thing I had to attend, so there was no getting out of it. So I attended the ceremony, and the short cocktail afterwards. Both were outdoors, and there was room to keep some distance from others. I also wore a KF-94 mask over a pleated one.

    And then I left. The reception was also outdoors, but with far less room. So I left then.

    Now, some might ask whether I’m not missing out by being too cautious, now that the pandemic is only a few times as deadly as it was in the Spring and Summer of 2020 when we were locking down, quarantining, isolating, and hunting for toilet paper.

    Well, see above.

    Concretely on the question: No, I’m most definitely not missing out. Not even a little. I hate parties and wedding receptions. the one good thing for me to come out of the trump pandemic, is the much lower number of these events, and my ability to just leave or not even go without being labeled (perhaps accurately) as antisocial.

    Lower risk of COVID exposure, no boring hours on end of sheer hell. Win-win.

  24. gVOR08 says:

    @CSK: Chaining yourself to a closed McDonald’s in protest makes about as much sense as driving your truck around DC to protest essentially non-existent mandates. (It would make more sense to protest fuel prices, but maybe even they can see the absurdity of driving around in circles to protest fuel prices.)

  25. KM says:

    I should adopt that – might be better for the blood pressure and sanity.

    I’m on Day 5 of a long running “debate” regarding Brittney Griner’s detention. The other poster is – how to I put this nicely, extremely 420-friendly – and absolutely refuses to accept any scenario other than Griner’s total innocence and framing by evil weed-hating Russia looking for hostages over Ukraine (also minority hate but mostly WEED HATE). We at the point where I’m being accused of supporting human right violations because I pointed the very likely possibility of Griner actually having brought the vape bits and Russia pouncing the opportunity. I mean, for a lot of people they don’t even think about them as illegal items anymore and it would be incredibly easy to thoughtlessly pack them or forgot to get rid of them before international travel. Bad luck giving a bad actor a golden opportunity. But nooooo – she was FRAMED, weed’s an absolute fundamental human right and I’m terrible for not accepting that there’s a zero chance Griner could potentially be at fault in some way.

    This will likely go to Day 6. I look to you all for something else to debate about. Help!

  26. CSK says:

    Especially since the fellow who chained himself to the door did so in a way so as not to interfere with the hordes rushing in to feast upon their last remaining burgers ‘n’ fries.

    According to one of the Washington D.C. truckers, it’s the Deep State that’s made Putin look like a bad guy. “He’s really a good guy!”

  27. Kathy says:


    Maybe set up a Senior Football League?

  28. Kathy says:


    Matt Groening keeps retroactively predicting the future. See about 8:05 minutes into this video.

  29. CSK says:

    Well, George Blanda was 48 when he played his final game, so Brady has 4 years to top that.

  30. CSK says:


  31. Michael Cain says:


    For my ownself, I have a long standing policy of never going back to dead threads from yesterday. Yesterday is gone, dead and buried. So should yesterday’s arguments. Just how I feel.

    I do some of the maintenance at a multi-author blog. One of the things I care for is a nearly unique comment-centric view of the site. (I didn’t write it originally, I just do maintenance.) You can almost tell which people use the traditional view and which the comment-centric one by their commenting pattern. The comment-centric users can keep a thread going in a meaningful way for days. Some sub-threads for a week or ten days.

  32. Mister Bluster says: skills…

    Sometimes words can have more than one meaning.
    For instance if I meet a woman and she seems nice enough and then I find out she’s a Republican and I tell her: “I don’t care how good your cooking is, I’m not interested in spending any time with you”.
    I’m not talking about her cooking.

  33. Jay L Gischer says:

    @CSK: I guess he’s not of the “The West is colonizing us!” camp, then.

    Frankly, if every McDonald’s in the world closed down, I’d be, “Hmm, that’s interesting.” I don’t care about them that much.

  34. Beth says:


    Concretely on the question: No, I’m most definitely not missing out. Not even a little. I hate parties and wedding receptions. the one good thing for me to come out of the trump pandemic, is the much lower number of these events, and my ability to just leave or not even go without being labeled (perhaps accurately) as antisocial.

    My partner and I were discussing something along these lines yesterday. We don’t think the pandemic really changed who were are (me an extrovert and her an introvert), but it really refined those concepts for each other. I’ve been going to raves where we’re all rolling around on each other and dancing in cramped warehouses/clubs and I’ve been in heaven. She basically don’t want to interact with anyone for any reason and the thought of going out to a club/wedding/whatever were there is social interaction irritates her to no end.

    My friends think its weird, but we’ve managed to work out a system that works well for both of us. For the record, I don’t think you’re being overly cautious. You’re prioritizing your physical and metal health which should be the most important thing.

  35. CSK says:

    @Jay L Gischer:
    Maybe this guy thinks McDonald’s originated in Mother Russia. It’s surprising what people believe. A Scottish acquaintance once asked me if I knew what a Brillo Pad was. I forbore pointing out that they were invented in Brooklyn by a guy named Milton Loeb.

  36. sam says:

    Anybody ever seen Irish Hurling? Kind of cross between field hockey and baseball, and maybe the fastest field game you’ll ever see.

  37. Joe says:


    “Closing down is an act of hostility against me and my fellow citizens.”

    To the contrary, it is a singular act of mercy.

  38. just nutha says:

    @Jay L Gischer: I go to fast food places. There’s only me and the food is adequate, but the only reason I’d feel anything about any of them is because I don’t care much about cooking anymore but am not willing to suffer hunger either. The ultimate in first-world problems.

  39. Kathy says:


    My problem with parties is the need by the band or DJ to damage everyone’s hearing, and the hosts’ and guests’ willingness to endure such infernal levels of loud noise for hours on end.

    I’m told to socialize and try to talk to people. I do. It’s very hard when I can’t hear them, and they can’t hear me. So what’s the point? I just endure it and leave at the earliest opportunity.

  40. CSK says:

    I don’t think there’s anything I want, or ever wanted, that would induce me to grovel like this:

  41. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: We have a very good Japanese friend who my wife met 30+ years ago when she was in the Peace Corps and the friend was in the Japanese equivalent. One day they were out drinking beers in Suva and the subject of baseball came up. It turns out the friend had the understanding that the Japanese had invented the game. My wife said that she was pretty sure It had originated in the US. “Oh no,” the friend responded, “we Japanese have been playing baseball since before World War II!”

  42. MarkedMan says:

    @sam: Kinda like field hockey but no pads or shin guards and you can hit each other with the sticks

  43. CSK says:

    Good grief. Next your friend will be saying that the Japanese invented Mom and apple pie.

  44. MarkedMan says:

    Clarence Thomas’ wife Ginni just revealed she was at the Jan 6th rally. She claims she left before things got out of hand and the crowd headed to the Capitol. Very interesting that she kept quiet about this for more than a year and now is suddenly bringing it up.

  45. Scott says:

    @sam: I thought that just happened on March 17th.

  46. Kathy says:


    I’ve heard more than one Englishman (they’re always men), claim baseball is really cricket and everyone is playing it wrong.

  47. CSK says:

    Cricket scores always amuse me: “India Wins by 238 Runs!”

  48. Jen says:

    @MarkedMan: I think it’s pretty clear that the investigations by The New Yorker and NYT Magazine are having an impact. “Yes I went to the rally but it was cold and so I left early” BS that she’s trotting out now is a pretty clear sign that she and her husband haven’t been entirely above-board in all of this murk. He’s left some very significant income off of his disclosure forms.

    Her “interview” with the Free Beacon is certainly interesting. She must think we’re all idiots.

  49. KM says:

    She’s not saying where she went either…. mostly because several sources have placed her with the ringleaders when it was all going down. If she gets placed in the room, it opens her up to a lot of legal liabilities the “rally” would have covered. The rally could be considered a protest but in the hotel room where they were (allegedly) coordinating things?

    She didn’t go home to have a nice glass of white or dinner out with friends, that’s for sure.

  50. Beth says:


    I’ve started getting used to wearing ear plugs a lot of the time. Especially if I’m going dancing or stuff for my kids. I’m a fan of these:

    Especially the pride ones. I’m a sucker for and will obviously part with my money for rainbows… Anyway, it they do make it much easier to understand people when it’s loud around. Maybe not seamlessly, but easier.

  51. Mister Bluster says:

    @Kathy:..playing it wrong
    The American League of MLB has been playing it wrong for almost 50 years since they adopted the Designated Hitter. After that in 2017 it was decided the pitcher doesn’t have to throw four pitches to complete an intentional walk. That really speeds up the game…By at least 30 seconds I’m sure. Then more recently there is the abomination of starting the 10th inning of a tie game (I concede that phrase is redundant) with a runner on second base before a pitch is thrown.
    Now the National League is joining the AL and playing Little League rules using the DH too. Pretty soon the owners will force them to play T-Ball so they won’t have to pay high salaries for the battery.

  52. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    …By at least 30 seconds…

    No, given that it takes 80% of the league’s pitchers 30 seconds to throw the next pitch, the intentional walk rule can save up to 2 minutes. 🙂

    I’ve loved baseball all my life, but I can no longer watch it. The game, as it is played to today, sucks. An average of 4 minutes between balls-in-play, a 3-hour game is now considered a brisk pace. The steady stream of relief pitchers, 3-true outcome plate appearances and now starting pitchers being pulled after going through the opposing teams batting order only twice. And as painful as it is to admit this, my beloved Red Sox are a prime perpetrator in the decline of the game.

    The DH is the least of the games problems.

  53. Kathy says:


    I wear foam earplugs often at night, and always when I take an afternoon nap. I’ve been wearing them for decades.

    It never occurred to me to wear them at parties, which is just as well. I might have developed some tolerance for such things 🙂

    BTW, I know something is too loud when I can hear it with the ear plugs on.

  54. Pete S says:


    When I was in university 3+ decades ago the newly launched Canadian version of ESPN used to show hurling and Aussie rules football in the wee hours of the morning. Alcohol and gambling on these events made them even more fun, except when one person was sober enough to remember that the same highlights had been on 4 hours earlier and happily took everyone’s money

  55. Beth says:

    @Mister Bluster:

    The American League of MLB has been playing it wrong for almost 50 years since they adopted the Designated Hitter.

    Gasp! The DH is pure and wonderful, I will hear nothing of this slander! The NL is lame! Just skinny weirdos taking outs for no good reason.

  56. Beth says:


    I was at a rave in January where the DJ would crank up the bass so much at times you could see everything vibrating. It was a really small venue. It felt like you were getting shaken out of your body. It was wonderful. Thankfully, I had my ear plugs in and didn’t have any ringing the next day.

  57. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: You were are right! I went back to the cancel thread from yesterday to see how the conversation evolved. It didn’t! Devolve would be a better description. That’s 5 minutes of my life I’ll never get back. (Obviously, I scanned and skipped over several, keeping my policy from yesterday intact. But even so–to much smoke, not enough light and heat. WA!)

  58. Kathy says:


    Well, it’s your life and what you choose to do is your business. Now, I’m not asking why, just pointing out that if the music is so loud people need to wear ear protection, then it shouldn’t be so loud.

  59. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @sam: I see it as more of a cross between lacrosse and Aussie Rules football, but whatevs.

  60. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I haven’t watched baseball at higher than collegiate level for about 30 years. Mostly because I can’t bring myself to pay what MLB wants to charge, but I was never a big fan to begin with. I think you have to have played it to want to sit through all the hoo haw that makes up the game. I did like Korean Baseball, though. Eight bucks gets you a grandstand seat and the game usually lasts about 2 hours. Decent priced concessions, too (then again, the team builds the stadium there so the municipality doesn’t need to have the traditional Seattle/King County 100% mark up).

  61. Jax says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker: Not gonna lie, I didn’t even read that one, just rolled my eyes at the headline.

  62. Beth says:


    Your comment made me smile. I just have to say, there’s a sensual blissful joy in music so loud it rearranges your atoms. Just need a bit of protection.

  63. Mister Bluster says:

    @Sleeping Dog:..the intentional walk rule can save up to 2 minutes.
    Why any fan wants a baseball game to take less time is beyond me. I haven’t been to a game in years however before the disease I spent hours at the local Buffalo Wild Wings watching games all the time. One of the best games I ever saw on TV at the Wings was April 17, 2010. Mets at Cardinals. Since I am a Cub fan whenever these two teams meet I always hope for a way that both teams can lose. On this Sunday they almost did. The day game went 20 innings. 6 hours 53 minutes. The first run was scored in the top of the 19th inning.
    About the time the 16th (?) inning started a couple came in and sat at the table next to me.
    “We were at that game. We listened to it on the radio on the drive back (100 miles +or -) and thought we’d stop here and get something to eat and watch the rest of the game.”
    They left before the 19th inning was over.
    It was a spectacle to behold! The two teams used 19 pitchers between them including several position players on the mound.
    The kicker…I was there to watch the NBA Playoffs. There were two incredibly large screens behind the bar. Before the baseball game started on the left screen the first of three NBA games started on the right screen. Then about the 5th or 6th inning of the baseball game the second NBA game began. It was over in the late innings (15th-16th?) and the third NBA game began.
    Baseball??? When it’s over summer is over and who needs that?

  64. gVOR08 says:

    @Sleeping Dog: I’ve never been a baseball fan. But I confess when I do attend or watch a game I love the suspense, “Is anything ever going to happen?” Years ago I read something that said in a full MLB game, the ball, or a player, were in motion for a total of like ten minutes. Might as well watch golf.