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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Residents in wealthy California town block access to public hot springs with boulders

    Awwwwwwww…. Po po wittle wich people, having to allow the hoi polloi access to lands that belong to them. Maybe even see the dirty little beggars! The horror!

  2. Scott says:

    More articles on advances in modern warfare:

    Air Force-tested software prints drones in 48 hours or less

    The Air Force’s tech group in the Middle East recently tested software that lets it quickly print air drones capable of delivering first aid to injured troops, the service said.

    Task Force 99 is headquartered at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar and was founded in 2022 with the goal of field-testing unmanned systems and artificial intelligence technologies in the Middle East.

    “The goal of our project was to be able to quickly design a fixed wing small (aerial drone) within minutes, build it within hours, be able to employ it in the same day, and do that in the field right at the point of need.

    Military medical officials told Stars and Stripes in 2022 that they believe blood delivery to the battlefield via drone could be faster and cheaper than sending in helicopters.

    AI-operated fighter jet will fly Air Force secretary on test run

    The Air Force is betting a large part of its future air warfare on a fleet more than 1,000 autonomously operated drones, and later this spring its top civilian leader plans to climb into one of those artificial intelligence-operated warplanes and let it take him airborne.

    Drone warfare has quickly expanded from the sidelines of combat to one of its primary weapons. Drones are a daily threat in Ukraine and in the Middle East. In Ukraine, everyday citizens are targeted by Russian drones but also are assembling drones to collect video of Russian positions. In the Middle East, Iranian-backed Houthis and militant groups have regularly employed sophisticated air, sea and underwater drones to target U.S. bases and commercial ships in the Red Sea.

    The Air Force began planning for its fleet of collaborative combat aircraft, or CCAs, several years ago, and it envisions a scenario in which one piloted jet will be able to quarterback multiple AI-driven, responsive drones, which the service calls “loyal wingmen.”

  3. Scott says:

    Not a surprise.

    Report: Veterans with extremist views had bad experiences in military

    Most veterans recently interviewed by the RAND Corporation about their extreme political views told researchers they had negative and even traumatic experiences while serving in the U.S. military, ranging from combat trauma and sexual abuse to interpersonal conflicts that led to their discharge.

  4. Scott says:

    Well, duh.

    Donald Trump’s net worth slashed by over $2 billion in one week as media mogul Barry Diller calls Truth Social parent a ‘scam

    ““Why are you even talking about this? It’s a scam. Just like everything he’s ever been involved in,” Barry Diller, chairman of media group IAC, told CNBC last week.

  5. OzarkHillbilly says:

    What’s that definition of stupidity again?

    The German valley that was swept away: ‘The cemeteries gave up their dead’

    Flood-affected communities in the Ahr are actually disincentivised from making their homes more flood-resilient. In the state of Rhineland-Palatinate, which includes Bad Neuenahr-Ahrweiler and surrounding villages, people are required to rebuild on a one-for-one basis, meaning exactly as they were. If you are rebuilding a school, say, and you want to move the science laboratory from the ground floor to the third, so that equipment can be protected in the case of another flood, insurers and government funds won’t cover the cost of fitting. Everything needs to be as it was.
    Across the Ahr, people have rebuilt as before, without flood mitigation measures in place. “We see this problem,” says Meike. “They do exactly as it was before. That is a very strange thing. For a lot of people, it’s a very positive mental thing, making things how they were. Perhaps they try to help themselves, by making it as it was.”

    The flood of 14 July was particularly catastrophic for multiple reasons. It was the summer, so no one was prepared for it. It happened during the night-time. The authorities failed to issue warnings and mandatory evacuations until it was too late. But it was more than that. The Ahr had not flooded with significant loss of life for more than 100 years. People weren’t prepared. And their homes had been built in places that never should have been inhabited, let alone densely populated.

    The Romans knew to build away from the Ahr; the medieval church fathers, too. The churches in Altenahr and Dernau did not flood, because they were built on higher land. When Dörte and Meike were children, they had to walk uphill to their school, situated in an old monastery in Ahrweiler. They would gripe about the steep climb. But the monastery didn’t flood, either. Their father used to tell them that, when he was a child, there were flood-retention areas around the Ahr, which are now built up. Houses were built up stone steps from the road.
    Meike says: “I think, in the past, people were more careful about where they built. Why have we forgotten? Are we so stupid or self‑confident that nothing can harm us? That is kind of crazy.”

    Yah, doing the same thing, over and over again expecting different results.

  6. JohnSF says:

    It looks like Russia is pretty clear who the main target audience for its propaganda efforts is:
    “Hunter Biden-linked Ukrainian firm connected to terror attacks”

    To quote Mihnea:

    The entire Russian state somehow wants to speak only to overly online pizzagaters who believe in satanic pedo rings

  7. gVOR10 says:

    @JohnSF: If all you have to sell is BS of course you want a gullible audience. Same as Republicans.

  8. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Just in case anybody missed the news: Peter Higgs, physicist who proposed Higgs boson, dies aged 94


  9. drj says:


    The entire Russian state somehow wants to speak only to overly online pizzagaters who believe in satanic pedo rings

    You mean the GOP House caucus?

    Not a bad strategy, tbf.

  10. steve says:

    Scott- Its clear drones are really important now but I think they and their uses are still evolving as are counter-drone efforts. I think that the small, cheap drones are probably going to be around for a long time for recon. It’s hard to shoot down tiny moving targets and they can be pretty cheap. I am less certain about the larger drones. If they are autonomous i guess they are less susceptible to jamming but they are also bigger targets. My concern would be that given the history of the US military and our contractors that the emphasis will be on building very expensive multi-capability drones since so much of our production is aimed at spending money in as many states as possible so congress will support the spending. There might be a role for those kinds of drones but I bet we overspend on them and find we are better off with lots of cheaper single use versions.


  11. Bill Jempty says:
  12. CSK says:

    Alan Weisselberg has been sentenced to six months in jail for perjury in TFG’s civil fraud trial.

  13. Flat Earth Luddite says:


    Please please please tell me he gets to spend all 6 months in Rikers.

  14. CSK says:

    @Flat Earth Luddite:

    Nothing I’ve read says where he’ll serve his sentence, but his last incarceration was at Riker’s, so…

  15. Kathy says:


    A Higgs Boson gets to the church late, and the sexton won’t let him in.

    “You gotta let me in,” the Higgs Boson protests. “Without me, there’s no mass.”

  16. Michael Cain says:

    The Washington Post reports that he’s expected to serve the sentence at Riker’s.

  17. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: Ouch. 30 lashes with a wet noodle for you.

  18. gVOR10 says:

    @Kathy: Puns are the lowest form of humor. Please, no mas.

  19. CSK says:

    The title of this article says it all, but it’s an amusing/appalling read anyway:

  20. Michael Cain says:

    One of the recurring characters in the long-running Girl Genius web comic is Bosun Higgs.

  21. JKB says:

    An interesting passage recounting the Virginia Slavery debate of 1831/32. Seems emancipation of the slaves of VA was favored in the legislature until the fanatical violence of New England Abolitionists and polarizing condemnation the southern peoples hardened public opinion killing considered legislative emancipation and setting the stage for the Civil War.

    Perhaps a lesson for the polarizing rhetoric of today?

  22. Kathy says:

    Re: on boarding

    @Jen said yesterday:

    This feels like one of those areas that could eventually be improved by AI. Have a boarding gate design that essentially scans the bar codes and only allows those who are authorized to be boarding at that time to go through the gate.

    This could be done right now without AI. In many places, boarding passes are scanned at the gate already. So it’s a simple matter of combining the boarding order with the scanner. A gate agent would have to instruct the computer when a group changes, but that should be simple enough (or not, depending on software design philosophies).

    Thing is, people often don’t listen to boarding rules, and I bet many don’t know their row number, and won’t even glance at their pass to see what it is. And a lot want to board as soon as possible to secure overhead bin space.

  23. Kathy says:


    A lot of particle physics humor consists of puns.

    A neutron has a few drinks at a bar, then asks for the check. The bartender says, “For you, no charge.”

    A photon checks in for a flight and is asked whether they have luggage. “No,” answers the photon. “I’m traveling light.”

    Not all are puns. For instance:

    Bartender: Sorry, our insurance doesn’t cover FTL particles.
    A tachyon walks into a bar.

  24. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Tall tales but no dessert: the storyteller of Karachi and his ice-cream cart library

    Pedalling down a narrow alleyway in Karachi’s crowded Lyari Town, Saira Bano slows as she passes a group of children sitting on the ground, listening to a man reading aloud from a book. The eight-year-old gets off her bike, slips off her sandals, and sits on the mat at the back.

    She has already heard the story from Mohammad Noman, who is entertaining more than a dozen children with the tale of Noori, an insecure yellow parrot. “I don’t mind listening to it again,” says Saira. “He’s so funny.”

    Noman, 23, is spending two weeks in Lyari pedalling an old ice-cream cart through its lanes, stopping to read his stories and leaving behind books for the children to borrow.

  25. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @JKB: So… they got their precious fee fees hurt because people were telling the truth about them? Pobrecitos…

    Try this on for size, the next time somebody tells the truth about your fellow political travelers, (whether it applies to you or not) man up and own it.

  26. Batrry says:

    First: Emancipating slaves would have deprived the rich of massive wealth, so no way.

    Second: this is just another example of the Right blaming everybody else for their own actions.

  27. Kylopod says:

    You can’t trust atoms. They make up everything.

  28. a country lawyer says:

    @Kathy: Werner Heisenberg is speeding down the highway when he gets pulled over. The trooper comes up to the window and says ” Do you know how fast you were going?” Heisenberg replies “No, but I know precisely where I am.”
    That one has them rolling in the aisles at CERN.

  29. gVOR10 says:

    @Kathy: Heisenberg and Schroedinger are driving together. They’re stopped by a cop. The cop asks, “Do you know how fast you were going?” “No, but we knew precisely where we were.” This irritates the cop, who decides to search the car. He looks in the trunk. “Did you know there’s a dead cat in here?” “Yes. Now.”

    ETA – Oops, sorry, country.

  30. Neil Hudelson says:


    A major organizing principle of modern day conservatism is Murc’s Law: Only liberals have agency; conservatives just can’t help do what they are doing. I guess history revisionism is the next logical step. I can’t imagine what it must’ve been like for those poor slave owners, trying to do the right thing but being forced to own humans as chattel, forced to rip children away from their mothers and sell them to plantations down river. It must’ve been just awful for slave owners to have all that forced on them. But an abolitionist somewhere once said something mean and hurt their feelings, so what could they do?

  31. just nutha says:

    @Kathy: I always try to board as close to last as possible so that everyone else is out of my way.
    Then again, I’m never trying to claim a six-foot duffel bag as a carry on, either.

  32. Jen says:


    Thing is, people often don’t listen to boarding rules, and I bet many don’t know their row number, and won’t even glance at their pass to see what it is. And a lot want to board as soon as possible to secure overhead bin space.

    AGREED! That’s why the process I propose must be accompanied by a loud buzzer sound, along with something that physically blocks the offender from advancing onto the plane. Basically these idiots must be shamed into looking at their d@mn tickets and figuring out when they are permitted to board.

  33. DK says:


    Perhaps a lesson for the polarizing rhetoric of today?

    Indeed. People who perpetrate either wickedness or harm of self and others are often incapable of taking responsibility for their choices. It’s always somebody else’s fault.

    We see this all the time from a) addicts, b) criminals and c) the big, strong, non-snowflake alpha men of the party of personal responsibility:

    “Waaaaaa an online comment that hurt my wittle feewings forced me to be a fascist/homophobe/racist waaaaaaaaaaa!”

    It is unsurprising that certain political movements attract such people, because refusal to hold oneself accountable for one’s own principles and choices is a signpost of a disordered personality, and of an unethical or spoiled unbringing with neglect or entitlement. One of the first interventions we do in therapy is stopping this blame-shifting bad habit.

    A lot of Americans need political intervention. Instead they get coddled. Sad.

  34. Kylopod says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    A major organizing principle of modern day conservatism is Murc’s Law: Only liberals have agency; conservatives just can’t help do what they are doing.

    To put it simply: Look what you made me do.

  35. CSK says:

    Earlier this morning Trump’s lawyers filed yet another appeal in the hush money case.

  36. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy: Very nice. I will definitely use it

  37. Kathy says:


    How about: “That’s $50 for jumping ahead in line. Or you can wait your turn.”

    Part of the problem may be that enforcing boarding rules in a chaotic line, also causes boarding to take longer.

    Ideally, by the time you make it to the jet bridge, you should be able to keep moving until you reach your seat. In practice, you’ll wait inside the bridge, then inside the plane.

  38. gVOR10 says:

    @Neil Hudelson: I used to play tennis with a history prof whose specialty was the ante-bellum south and the run-up to the war. It’s a long time since I read his book, Half Slave and Half Free, but I still remember a detail he mentioned. There were, mostly Quaker, teachers who went south and volunteered to teach slaves basic literacy. The slave owners said negroes couldn’t learn to read and write. And knowing the truth deep in their black hearts, they went to a lot of trouble, including violence, to keep the teachers away from their slaves so they wouldn’t be proven wrong.

  39. Michael Reynolds says:

    Trump is scared. It’s unlikely, but should he be convicted, he could theoretically be sentenced to do time. And I think it’s begun to penetrate his thick skull that he can’t just lie his way out of his legal problems. He’s going to have to sit there and listen as multiple witnesses expose him. He’s not in control.

  40. Jay L Gischer says:

    Well, let’s ask ourselves how many people there were in Virginia in 1830 who owned a lot of slaves and stood to lose a lot of money should emancipation come to Old Virginia. Maybe 100, 200? It might be as much as 1000 all told. That’s not a lot of votes.

    So what to do if you have lots of money, but not many votes? Here is my speculation. This is what I’d look for:

    Those few people with the means and the motivation to stop emancipation would try to turn the emancipation effort into an “assault on our way of life” so as to broaden opposition to it. They would engage in culture wars. They would cherry-pick quotes of people saying terrible things (because there are always people saying terrible things, and get folks so fired up about that that they forget what’s at stake. They would take other people’s quotes out of context. They would talk about all the beautiful things the plantation system has created.

    They would create a fantasy world of cavaliers, and frame the “abolitionists” (let’s remember that there were Virginians trying to pass emancipation) as “foreigners from the North”. They would find passages in the Bible that seemed to support their position, and they would expand on the natural human tendency to see the African slaves as inferior.

    All of it is basically propaganda. This is my expectation for what happened. Not that I have chapter and verse, mind you.

    It’s much similar to how they motivated the young men of the South to fight for them. By framing them as cowards if they didn’t fight to defend “our way of life”. But the plantation/slave owner’s way of life was nothing like their way of life. Such a scam. I am so sorry to see all those good men throw their lives away in a terrible, terrible cause.

  41. Michael Reynolds says:

    So, the very rich slave owners of Virginia would have simply legislated away their own wealth, if only no one had suggested they should do what you claim they were ready to do.

    Do me a favor, point out a single contemporary billionaire who would have given up his billions if only people didn’t say he should give up his billions.

    Imbecile or pathological liar? I’m never sure which you are.

  42. Jay L Gischer says:

    @JKB: I really hope that in your own life, you don’t let “people are saying nasty things about me” keep you from doing what’s right. I wouldn’t think you do. I try not to. Spite is a thing among humans though, and I have felt its pull.

    And yeah, people say nasty things about me. I find I am able to support political social positions even though some of the other people who hold that position are people who have behaved badly toward me.

  43. Kylopod says:

    @CSK: @Michael Reynolds: Since the appeals process, if not the conviction itself, is unlikely to be completed before the election, the only important question currently is what political impact it will have, if any.

    I’ve seen a few commentators (such as Glenn Kirschner) say it should be framed as an “election interference” case. Maybe. But I think one reason even many liberals have been less than enthused by it is that it’s the one trial that doesn’t really have anything to do with the unprecedented danger Trump poses to the American system, and feels more like standard-issue corruption. I bet Trump isn’t the first US politician to have paid hush money during an election campaign. That doesn’t make it right, it doesn’t mean he didn’t commit serious crimes. But it also doesn’t make Trump seem uniquely awful in quite the way the other stuff does.

    The media narrative will probably frame it as a Clinton-tier lying-about-sex scandal.

    So maybe the best we can hope for at the moment is that it (a) interferes with his campaign schedule (b) leads to his further unraveling. It may not be a slam-dunk leading directly to his defeat in November, but it’s not nothing.

  44. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Jay L Gischer: I’m pretty sure that over the years people have said bad things about me, but very rarely to my face, and in the instances where they did I first ascertained the truth of the matter, then decided whether I needed to do something to rectify things. The gist of what they said usually boiled down to I’m an asshole. It’s true, I am an asshole and the truth is I’m comfortable with that fact. It’s not a problem for me.

    (I am trying to be less of an asshole these days but only because life is too short to spend much of it on petty little squabbles over something “mean” I probably said)

  45. Kurtz says:


    Looking at the full RAND document now. Interesting. One of the guys who signaled support for Proud Boys in the initial survey denied supporting them in the interview. But not because he is ideologically opposed:

    A fourth participant described himself as a “hardline conservative” and, in the interview, he affirmed his sup-port for both political violence and QAnon. However, he denied support for the Proud Boys, noting that he “strongly disapproved.” “I don’t know anyone who is a member of the Proud Boys. . . . I am their ideal candidate, but besides standing around in masks and yelling [at] people, I don’t know what they do.”

    I mean, he’s right. He’s not the right kind of dangerous, but he’s right about Proud Boys.

  46. CSK says:


    You’d think Trump’s fundamentalist fan club would be a bit perturbed by the fact that he married Melania–the most beautiful, gracious, elegant, and intelligent First Lady ever!–in 2005, and was having affairs with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in 2006. Apparently not.

  47. Kylopod says:

    @CSK: The official story in Trumpworld since 2018 is that the affairs never happened—that Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal are liars who threatened to falsely accuse Trump of having slept with them, which he’d never think of doing because he’s the most loving and devoted husband the world has known, and he paid them off in order to protect Melania’s feelings. What could be more chivalrous than that?

  48. just nutha says:

    @CSK: Some of us take “forgive our sins (in the same way/to the same degree) as we forgive the sins of others” from The Lord’s Prayer more seriously than others might. (And probably need to, too!)

  49. Kathy says:


    Moral worth is not measured in money. If it were, I estimate Lardass’ net moral worth to be somewhere south of -$99,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.99 (ChatGPT assures me this is pronounced: ninety-nine nonillion, nine hundred ninety-nine octillion, nine hundred ninety-nine septillion, nine hundred ninety-nine sextillion, nine hundred ninety-nine quintillion, nine hundred ninety-nine quadrillion, nine hundred ninety-nine trillion, nine hundred ninety-nine billion, nine hundred ninety-nine million, nine hundred ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred ninety-nine point nine nine).

  50. Mister Bluster says:

    @JKB:..Perhaps a lesson for the polarizing rhetoric of today?

    You mean like this?

    “Now if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it”

  51. Kylopod says:

    @Kurtz: I’m reminded a little of the All in the Family episode where Archie inadvertently joins a chapter of the KKK. These men come to him saying they’re recruiting people for some club they belong to, they describe their core principles and beliefs, Archie likes what he hears and quickly signs on. Then they don their white hoods, and Archie is genuinely horrified.

  52. Kathy says:


    Fine. Let’s say it’s true. He’s not accused for sleeping with them, nor for paying them off, but for falsifying business records. Nothing in the fantastic allegation by his deplorables requires the commission of a crime.

    TL;DR: Lock him up.

  53. Jen says:

    @Kathy: I’m envisioning something that’s a cross between the highway toll scans and a cattle chute. As you walk through the scanning device, it reads your bar/QR code. If you’re supposed to be boarding, you can continue to walk straight through. However, if you’ve not paid attention/intentionally tried to jump the line, BEEP (loud buzz) and the gate shifts, shuttling you over to a holding pen. You are trapped there until everyone else boards, then the gate opens.

    People would learn fast, I think. (Or, more likely, they’d scream and yell and be obnoxious…maybe there’s another pen there to cart them off to the airport jail?)

    A girl can dream.

  54. CSK says:


    Oh, it was Weisselberg who falsified the business records. TFG had nothing to do with that.

  55. al Ameda says:


    A Higgs Boson gets to the church late, and the sexton won’t let him in.
    “You gotta let me in,” the Higgs Boson protests. “Without me, there’s no mass.”

    lol … You win this thread.

    A friend of mine has a ‘wanted poster’ in his ‘study.’
    “Wanted Dead And Alive, Schrodinger’s Cat.”

  56. Kathy says:


    No electric shock? I’m disappointed…

    One time, the Aeromexico gate agent began trying to organize people in groups before opening boarding. Between people chatting, yakking on the cell phone, texting on the phone, listening to music, etc. it was harder than herding drunk cats.

    Another source of boarding delay, is the person who’s been crowding the boarding area, waiting in line, and only when asked for their boarding pass do they think to look for their travel documents in their bag. I think I run across people like that in at least half the flights (in the other half, I assume they were behind me in line).

  57. Pete S says:


    If this system can be perfected at airports I can think of all kinds of lineup situations it could be modified to improve. Especially with Kathy’s electric shock addition….

  58. Kathy says:


    Fine. They can share a cell in Riker’s.

    @Pete S:

    I’d settle for just the electric shock.

  59. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Jen: I like it!!! 😀 😀 😀

    @Kathy: @Pete S: No. The electric shock feature is overkill and mean spirited. (Thinking of my “forgive our sins as…” comment from above.)

  60. Kathy says:

    How about ten days in county jail for every three denied appeals?

    Coincidentally, Lardass got just such a third strike just now.

  61. gVOR10 says:

    I recently read Timothy Ryback’s Takeover, which is a detailed history of the year leading up to Hitler’s appointment as Chancellor in January of 1933. It’s presented as a tale of plotting and scheming, much of it by Hitler’s opponents, but the fact is that after the Nov 1932 election Nazis were the largest bloc in the Reichstag, holding 33% of the seats, so Hitler had a pretty strong hand. This was down a bit from 37% in the July 1932 election. Yes, they were having a parliamentary crisis. In 1924 Hitler had been convicted of high treason (I think technically against the state of Bavaria) for the failed Beer Hall Putsch, and served prison time. Nine years from imprisoned for treason to Chancellor.

    Even if somebody manages to get convictions for Trump before the election, I don’t expect it to make any real difference. Deep state plot weaponizing the DoJ every president’s done it Hunter Biden’s laptop.

  62. Kathy says:

    So, after condemning the AZ supreme court ruling allowing an 1864 law banning all abortions, Arizona republicans blocked a vote by Democrats and one Republican to repeal this law.

    The Chutzpah is strong in these ones.

  63. Kathy says:
  64. DrDaveT says:

    Q: How many physicists does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: One, but only if he can get funding for three grad students and a new lab

  65. DrDaveT says:


    But I think one reason even many liberals have been less than enthused by it is that it’s the one trial that doesn’t really have anything to do with the unprecedented danger Trump poses to the American system, and feels more like standard-issue corruption.

    Indeed. Were I Biden, I’d be focusing on the election meddling in Georgia and the (apparently now forgotten) extortion of Ukraine for invented dirt on Biden. Those are unforgivable by everyone except GOP Congressthings.

  66. Kathy says:


    Good one.

    Someday I may post my B5 and Trek light bulb jokes.

  67. dazedandconfused says:


    Saw a bio of Bill Buckley on PBS the other day. “American Masters” IIRC. Was surprised to find it interesting. One of the things dealt with was the nomination of Barry Goldwater and how that happy plan came apart. Failure to control the extremists which Bill unwisely tried to court and then tip-toe around. It is a fair statement to say this had been the problem for conservatives ever since they tried to coalesce a majority.

    The Barry Goldwater quote that fits this mess:
    Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.
    Said in November 1994, as quoted in John Dean, Conservatives Without Conscience (2006).

    This was grabbed from a wikiquote page which I found interesting reading. He clearly saw the problem. Compromise is essential in a democracy.

  68. Mister Bluster says:

    Q: How many flies does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
    A: Just two. But nobody knows how they get in there…

  69. Kathy says:


    I’d heard that Goldwater quote before. I didn’t know it was from the 90s. by then, hadn’t the preachers asserted at least partial control over the GQP?

    BTW, the first quote in the Wiki begins “extremism in the defense of liberty” etc. Well, ins’t that the GQP now?

  70. dazedandconfused says:


    What was surprising to me was the documentary on Bill Buckley said Bill considered that quote about extremism made at the convention a terrible mistake, as it alienated the sort of conservatives Bill had gathered. I suspect he was thinking about the “Goldwater Republicans” which such as Hillary was at the time.