Whoopi Goldberg at Kerry Fundraiser

AP – Democrats raise 7.5 million dollars; Whoopi raises hackles

The Democratic presidential ticket netted a cool 7.5 million dollars at a star-studded concert here but had to squirm through a wickedly irreverent monologue from comic Whoopi Goldberg to do it. Aides to presidential candidate John Kerry exulted that the gate from Thursday night’s extravaganza at the historic Radio City Music Hall was the biggest single take ever for a Democratic event.

But while the party was raising cash, Goldberg was clearly raising some hackles by repeatedly referring to Kerry’s boyish vice-presidential running-mate John Edwards as “kid.” “He is really youthful. He looks like he is about 18,” said the comedian, one of a dozen headliners who turned out to boost the Democrats’ drive to unseat Republican President George W. Bush (news – web sites) in November. Such words were undoubtedly music to the ears of the Republicans who have wasted no time in attacking the 51-year-old Edwards, picked by Kerry for the ticket on Tuesday, as unready for the White House. The North Carolina senator’s high-wattage smile seemed to fade a bit more each time Goldberg called out to him. When Kerry later spoke, he took pains to make it clear he had no kid on his team. “I have a man, Whoopi,” the Massachusetts lawmaker said. [You’re just asking for another Drudge montage with that one, Senator. -ed.]

Goldberg, a devout Democrat, did not spare Bush in her monologue: “Anybody who could wave to (blind singer) Stevie Wonder isn’t fully there,” she said to howls from the audience. But she also produced a few embarrassed grimaces with an unsubtle anatomical double-entendre enjoining voters to “keep Bush where it belongs and not in the White House.”

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“This is what I try to explain to people,” she said. “Why are you asking me to come if you don’t want me to be me?” The comic said concert organizers had asked to see her material beforehand but she sent them a photocopied image of her behind with a kissmark on it. “I wasn’t sure I was going to get the phone call,” she said.

Goldberg has always been rather vulgar. She’s exactly right: the organizers knew what they were getting. If you invite Whoopi Goldberg, Andrew Dice Clay, or Howard Stern to be your MC, you’re going to get potty humor.

One wonders what would prompt event organizers to make this move when their presidential candidate is the guest of honor? One would think they’d have learned their lesson from the Don Imus fiasco a few years back.

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Comments

  1. dcthrowback says:

    I have a feeling Democrats will get bitten in the behind by letting these stars have their fun. People don’t really find it all that amusing.

  2. Ryan Frank says:

    I think they’ll find it even less so after Kerry admitted that he hasnt had his intelligence briefings because he’s been “too busy” running crap like this

  3. pennywit says:

    You’ve got a point. They should know what they get when they invite Whoopi. If they want a comedian who keeps it clean, they should choose Bob Saget.

  4. Bob Hart says:

    Grow up- we are all adults. If you don’t like it then get up and leave or don’t attend, wow personal responsibility is such a foreign concept to Bush supporters.

  5. James Joyner says:

    Neither John Kerry nor John Edwards got up and left, even though they had their wives with them. How’s that for personal responsibility?

  6. Gagne84 says:

    I get it, James. You prefer presidents who lie, send our kids to die for oil and use beautiful Christianity for political purposes. And, James, you do it with your wives in the room.

    And do you really think the Bush Brigade would tell Kerry the truth during one of those so-called briefings?

  7. DP says:

    Where do you get these Lib Trolls from? It’s all about oil, it’s all about oil, Bush bad, Bush bad! LOL starting to sound like a bunch of zombies from the “Night of The living Dead” Hhmmm, come to think of it, John “F’n” Kerry does look a bit like Lurch of the “Adams Family” now doesn’t he?

    Give the Dems enough rope and they will indeed hang themselves on this “classless-act” stuff.

  8. Meezer says:

    Gagne84 is right!! It *is* all about oil!!
    Except it’s the Sudan who has it and the French who will condone Genicide if it helps them get it.

  9. Gagne84 says:

    Meezer —

    Nice reference to the Sudan. Didn’t know anyone among the Elite Right cared about Africa.

    DP —

    Lurch. Funny. Maybe the Democrats should ask you to host the next fund-raiser. And I guess by mentioning oil, but not Bush’s repeated lying and his abuse of Christianity, you agree he’s been shameful in those areas. This week we learned the CIA manufactured information that led to a war in which our kids are dying daily, and Bush’s energy buddy Ken Lay finally went to trial, but you guys want to talk about Whoopi Goldberg. No wonder you’re on the way out.

  10. 42nd SSD says:

    I’m the Elite Right and I don’t care,
    I use Iraqi oil to wash my hair!
    I sacrifice college kids and laugh at the gore
    as I go off in my Hummer with a wave and a roar!
    I spit on the poor every chance I get
    as I fly overhead in my corporate jet,
    “Free health care? You can’t be serious!
    I’d lose my Merck dividends! You must be delirious!”
    Darn those meddling Loony Lefties, catching me in a lie,
    Why I’ll show them! I’ll blacken their eye!

    Ah, yes, those wonderous Loony Lefties, sacrificing their entire lives for the benefit of others. Wearing sackcloth and ashes, living in squalid hovels, working 20 hours a day and donating their entire income to the poor and homeless. How good, how fortunate of them to show us the way and the light and the truth. Dependably forthright and honest, presenting sound and comprehensible arguments for political and social change, the forefront of progress in our society. It’d bring a tear to my eye…

    Only if it were for real.

  11. norbizness says:

    This, along with the Langston Hughes business, represents the most dire threat to the Republic since the War of 1812.

  12. Gagne84 says:

    42nd ssd —

    Cool poem! Such self-knowledge! Of course you know scores of your Bush Buddies on the Right will see themselves in those lines.

    Your stereotype of the Left sounds very much like the kind of life Christ wants us to lead. Mock it if you’d like, but you and your fellow hypocritical Elitists still have to deal with Matthew 19:23. Meanwhile, something tells me not many Hummer drivers are too worried about our troops dying overseas. Nor are they volunteering in soup kitchen and homeless shelters.

  13. Attila Girl says:

    I love it that Gagne didn’t even get the veiled illusion to limousine liberals.

    In my part of the world it’s the super-rich who vote for Kerry–while conservatives do, indeed, volunteer for soup kitchens.

    Since “Hummer drivers” seems to be code for “Republicans,” I think it’s valid to point out that a lot of them will be more worried about our troops dying overseas. Because in a lot of cases it’ll be their own kids.

  14. Astroturfometer says:

    Since “Hummer drivers” seems to be code for “Republicans,” I think it’s valid to point out that a lot of them will be more worried about our troops dying overseas. Because in a lot of cases it’ll be their own kids.

    Oh, wow, your so smart, dip.

  15. Gagne84 says:

    Somehow I don’t think many Hummer owners’ kids are in Iraq or Afghanistan. Many Republicans, I’m sure, but none of the Bush-Cheney Elite crowd. Those Republicans are no doubt Reagan Democrats, the kind used and abused by the Bush-Cheney-Haliburton-Enron set. I know. I used to be one of them.

    Matthew 19:23

  16. L-Shuffle says:

    James: Do you have any data on the politics of the families of the U.S. war victims? Gagne84 might be on to something. There probably were a lot of Reagan Democrats’ kids killed. Those poor and middle class people are the one the Elite is screwing now. Man, you do not have to tell them Reagan is dead. His ideology too, unfortunately.

  17. Paul says:

    I wish these knuckle head democrats could see how stupid they make the country look by continuing to to critizize the current administration. Why can’t the dems just shut thier mouths, support the country and let your message be sent with your vote. All this bickering is exactly what our enemies want. As a career Marine it breaks my heart to hear the country at each others throats. If you don’t like the way things are, leave the US. I’m sure the French would love to have you.

  18. Ashlee says:

    The Repulican Party would never have such a negative and vulgar fundraiser. Democrats should be appalled that their presidential candidate reaps the proceeds of such a trashy and uncouth get-together of pig-headed celebrities. (Some of which drive Hummers and other SUVs that you were just bashing). It’s not just right-wings that drive them, so don’t be presumptuous.

  19. Tom says:

    Does anyone have the audio/video of the Radio City Music Hall fundraiser from last Thursday?

  20. Brett Watson says:

    I think if Republicans are going to compare Democrats to Hitler, Goldberg can compare Bush to genitles.

  21. carol ard says:

    You got it wrong it was the dem’s who compared Bush to Hitler..Bush just re-ran the part he needed in one of his ads.. Also it was that rediculous web site moveon.org.too who compared Bush to Hitler.They are really radical left wingers..
    as for all celebs woh think that we value their opinions they better keep their acting on the screen or maybe they will get boycotted there…
    when they get their mouths in gear I guess they do not realize they are aleinating half of us..

  22. mick says:

    i was in iraq when bush made his “bring’em on” remark, in reference to the terrorist insurgents. what a thoughtless, immature comment. easy for him to say, sitting in the good ole USA surrounded by secret service. not so good for me.
    oh well, he wasn’t scared of losing his head-he could always go AWOL again, right?
    someone else will ALWAYS make the sacrifices necessary for the extreme right. they are all for personal responsibility for SOMEONE ELSE. ken lay was not responsible for the failure of ENRON, he said so. George Bush was not responsible for the failure of intelligence at the CIA that led us to this war, he said so. he isn’t responsible for the current all time record (by a factor of 2) national debt either, he has said so.
    these guys need to be held to an accounting.

  23. L-Shuffle says:

    Paul:

    All the bickering is exactly what our enemies fear. They hate that we can talk freely, that we can criticize the people we vote into office. The kind of country you describe is what Iraq was and the other dictatorships are. I should add that it’s not only Democrats who criticize this administration. It’s also Republicans who feel betrayed by the elitists and hypocrites in the administration.

    Carol:

    It was one filmmaker who submitted a video to a contest sponsored by moveon.org. It wasn’t moveon.org, and it was taken down the first day it was presented. The Bushies want to think otherwise. Moveon.org is a little Left for my taste, but thank God it exists. We need all sides presented, not just the extreme viewpoint that the Elite$$$$ running the administration and Fox throw at us.

    Ashlee:

    I don’t believe you can name a single Democrat who drives a Hummer. Gagne84 didn’t mention SUVs, but I wish he did. Bush wins when people get 13 miles per gallon.

  24. Josi says:

    I find it funny that Dick Cheney can say F-you to someone while on the job but a comedian can’t do her skit w/o everyone getting uptight.

  25. Nepas says:

    l-shuffle, you left out that the people who tell us to shut up about bush are the one who criticized clinton 24-7 when we had troops in bosnia and somolia.

  26. jp says:

    Isn’t is amazing how people can complain and bash Bush saying he’s a liar, but don’t remember Clinton getting caught in several lies while in office. Duh, what is the definition of sex? I didn’t have sex with her. But I guess that is alright.

  27. michelle says:

    I am amazed that people can talk about Christianity and be in favor of Kerry (Gagne84). Perhaps you should go read the book it is based on (the Bible) before you support someone who voted against a bill that makes a crime against a woman and her unborn child considered two crimes, voted against partial birth abortion ban, and any other moral bill that has come along while he is in Congress. Stand for him if you want but don’t do it under the guise of Chrisitianity

  28. Nepas says:

    michelle, i notice you don’t make mention of the death penalty. are you are selective about your morality. or are you also amazed that christians are for bush.

  29. mick says:

    would it be more accurate to say that the president is “imploding” or “melting down”? how about “flailing around like a burning scarecrow”? i can’t decide. or would you say he is coming down with chronic fatal foot to mouth syndrome?
    he is looking like a desperate man, at any rate.

  30. Lisa 100 says:

    I think most reasonable people agree that you can voice strong opposition with President Bush (or any other President) and his policies, but as a citizen of the United States of America, you had better have respect for the Office he holds. I’m actually feeling a little sorry for the democrats – these looney fanatics are overshadowing the policies that democrats stand for. Instead, their message has been one of hate….hmmmmm, what other group has been in the news recently spouting hate of the USA???? I think Americans are pretty fed up with being hated, but apparently Whoopi, John and Jessica just want to throw more of that around with Kerry/Edwards approving of and laughing at it all.

  31. connor says:

    I am pro Bush, but I am not rich, I am poor, and yet I am pro-war, cause it is what needs to be done right now. In 2 or 3 years it won’t need to be done, and I will be on the peace loving gushy-goos’ side, but you cannot expect America to get attack and not react somehow. would you rather have had gore when 9/11 happened? haha, he would be sitting on his butt doing nothing, and as for kerry, well i cannot go for someone who has to insult bush to win.

    the reason i am republican…democrats have to insult and make up stories and lies like moore’s “Farenheit 9/11” to get a jab at someone, but republicans just state the facts and always come out on top. it is kinda funny how the nicest people i know in my life, and has been consistently when i went to college, were republicans. the smartest people i knew were republicans also. not cause i agreed with them, but because they could make an argument, and back it up with facts, where democrats and liberals make an argument and just back it up with insults. that is the bottom line on why i am republican, and anyone with common sense would be one too.

    ~Connor

  32. Raph Cameron says:

    If this is a land of freedom of expression, leave whoopi alone.
    If Leaders refuse to accept the truth and the fact that killing about 1000 Marines and about 10,000 Innocent Iraqi’s because of oil and Sadam, Whoopi has the right to defend herself.

  33. Val says:

    “If you don’t like the way things are, leave the US.”
    Paul,
    The Founding Fathers roll over in their graves every time someone parrots that worn out phrase that reflects totalitarianism so much more effectively than it does democracy.

  34. Russell says:

    It’s about oil? Cananda is our number one source for oil, 15% in 2000. 25% came from OPEC while just over 50% came from the western hemisphere (Venezuela,Brazil,Mexico, Canada, etc.) Where are our troops in these countries? We export no oil from Isreal, why are we bothering with them? No oil from Bosnia, why are we bothering with them? The oil argument doesn’t work.

  35. Stewkyo says:

    I, for one, vote to take some personal responsibility here. Is not cause and effect immutable? If someone purports to hate the U.S. (EFFECT), then perhaps the U.S. is perceived as having done something to CAUSE this. Perhaps U.S. policy has, in fact, caused people to suffer (No! Can’t be!). To deny that possibility is to make a cause for the possibility of more hatred. I suspect that countries devoted to non-violent conflict resolution draw far less hatred and disdain from other members of the world community than countries who leave deep scars for having “helped”. Oddly, people remember their persecutors for thousands of years with their descendants seeking to “get even” with people whose ancestors actually did the damage. How many times do we have to repeat the same old, tired, us-and-them lies that we use to justify actions that can only lead to more reactions that can only lead to more and more and more suffering. Seems to me that far more has been accomplished to bring peace to the people of this world by those who have stood up with conviction and set aside violent hard-power in favor of the far-stronger soft-power of mutual understanding and compassion. Rather than waste our time arguing about who used potty-mouth or who lied or who we can point our finger at next (come on…it is realistic to even imagine a politician who does not lie? They’d never get into office if they didn’t try to make each one of us think that they represent our wishes and only our wishes. Elections may really be about selecting the most artful of liars.). How about we 1) step back from the entertainment of the political circus 2) review our own desire to make war 3) acknowledge it…acknowledge the little monkey within who thinks it is all someone else’s fault 4) quit using others as our excuse for acting like animals 5) seek to win the war within by killing the will to kill 6) convice the guy next door to do the same. Either that or get used to hell on Earth because that is what we are daily working to create by embracing violence as any kind of answer. Personally, I would rather find a way to befriend all people on this planet. It can’t even begin until long after I stop throwing things at them. I will develop the courage to risk an embrace.

  36. Lisa 100 says:

    The “freedom of speech” defense is about as worn out as the “cops tainted the evidence” defense. Our country was founded upon morals and values (our penal code is closely parallel to the Ten Commandments) – just because we have a freedom to speak, doesn’t mean we have a freedom to abandon all of our morals and values that we Americans hold dear. Or have we become a nation that holds our freedoms in higher regard than our morals???

  37. Kirk says:

    Lisa, I hold my freedom in higher regard than anything. Anyone that doesn’t hold freedom in the highest regard is immoral in my opinion.

  38. nancy says:

    >>…the reason i am republican…democrats have to insult and make up stories and lies like moore’s “Farenheit 9/11” to get a jab at someone, but republicans just state the facts and always come out on top….>>>connor

    Ha ha, you have GOT to be kidding or severely deluded to think that republicans don’t lie about things! They have ALWAYS done that and that’s the only way they can try to paint things all rosey so that ignorant folks will keep voting for them.

    One of the biggest mistakes Dems make is letting Reps get away w/ painting a phoney ‘populist’ picture of themselves, pretending they have a lock on mid america and wholesome values, while in reality it is just the opposite. Kerry and Edwards have to successfully point this out in order to win the election and God i hope they do!

  39. mick says:

    “The “freedom of speech” defense is about as worn out as the “cops tainted the evidence” defense. Our country was founded upon morals and values (our penal code is closely parallel to the Ten Commandments) ”
    ?
    only two of the ten commandments have been codified into law: no killing, no stealing. the “no graven images” commandment originally meant no graven images of ANYTHING-not gods nor men nor pretty landscapes. “though shalt not covet” is a good spiritual idea, but it is now the basis of capitalism. “thou shalt not commit adultery” is against the law in some states (and in saudi arabia [but only for women, and then punishable by death through stoning]) but is never enforced.
    the rest have no legal standing at all, nor should they.
    the first thing in the bible after the ten commandments is rules for keeping slaves. it was okay by god at that time if you killed your slave through beating him to death, as long as it took him more than three days to die afterwards. it’s right there in black and white.
    i am very, very grateful that the bible is NOT the basis for our laws.
    check your bible lisa.
    the “ten commandments are the basis for our law” and “the founding fathers were religious christians” are two pieces of misrepresentation that the religious right has pushed for years.
    if you repeat the lie enough, people will eventually accept it. don’t get sucked in.

  40. crystal says:

    How did I get here? Ohh yeah! I was trying to look up what that nastey, vulgar whoopi thing actually said when she bashed bush. The only thing I can say about all the comments that I have read here is this; All of you need to do alot more research and alot less commenting because none of you have got the real picture. I won’t even go there. I have more research to do! In closing I will say this. Our President has a job to do and if any of you were true Americans You would get behind our Commander and Chief and be the best that you can be instead of spending your time spinning about things you have no knowlege about! Crystal

  41. Kissmyass Dems says:

    I’m glad that Gore didn’t make it into office, we would all be burning in hell right now from the Arabs bombing us while Al sitting in the corner crying like a baby. All you democrats can kiss my @ss, you don’t have a clue. I would like for all of you to line up and I will kick your stupid @ss one at a time.

  42. Monica says:

    Isn’t anyone the least bit concerned that everyone is so up in arms when we don’t even know exactly what Whoopi said???

  43. Kissmyass Dems says:

    There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January….. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the monthof January. That’s just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

    When some claim President Bush shouldn’t have started this war, state the following …FDR… led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

    Truman… finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

    John F. Kennedy… started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

    Johnson… turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

    Clinton… went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

    In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries,crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

    The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

    We’ve been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes

  44. Kissmyass Dems says:

    Check out the comments about another dumb@ss at http://www.moorelies.com/

  45. crystal says:

    I take it back, Kissmyass has done his homework! Bravo!! Crystal

  46. Adam says:

    Hey, Lisa 100!

    I hold my freedoms in much higher regards than your morals.

  47. sebastian says:

    wow, where i live the heats killing me. hot as hell. i can’t wait to hear some dumb ass democrat blame bush for the weather being so bad. they try to blame him for everything else.

  48. Stearman says:

    If the Democrats controlled the White House after 9/11, not only would we have not invaded Iraq to go after Saddam, we wouldn’t have even gone to war against Afghanistan, the country responsible for the terrorist training camps, the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. The usual reaction of Democrats (Liberals) to Americans being attacked, is to “deplore” the situation and threaten to impose sanctions. Thank God Al Gore didn’t end up as President.

  49. sebastian says:

    im with u on that Stearman

  50. Big Mike says:

    Hey KissMyAss Dems, I believe you should do a little more homework and think about what you say before you say it.
    1).Yes, FDR led us into WWII and declared war on Japan for their attack on Pearl Harbor. But it was Germany and Adolf Hitler who declared war on the US, bringing the US onto the European battlefield.
    2). Are you legitimately trying to suggest that the wars in either Korea or Vietnam were a good thing? Each was was fought during this country’s four decade fear of communism, and too many men died because of a difference in ideology. One visit to a veteran’s hospital will remind you of the horrible lasting effects of both of these wars. To say that Bush’s war in Iraq is justifiable because we were involved in two previous wars where we were not attacked is not only weak, it borders on insanity.
    3). As for Bush’s “success” in liberating two countries, crushing the Taliban, and crippling al-Qaeda, you should watch your local news channel. Iraq is in shambles, Afghanistan is wrought with poverty, and we are continually reminded of the “heightened” security warning, and that a threat is right at our doorstep, but that the government can neither tell us where, when nor how this attack will be completed. Even if the Taliban, like you ignorantly claim, has been crushed, its goal has been accomplished:
    We are scared, we have changed our way of life, and as one can see by reading everyone’s comments, we are fighting amongst each other over petty shit.
    People say remember 9/11. I say remember how we treated each other in the days following the tragic event. How much we have lost.

  51. mick says:

    just read a couple of hundred pages of the 9/11 report. no one who reads this with an open mind can fail to see the complete lack of leadership in the current administration’s handling of the threat. in the summer of 2001, while the “system was blinking red”, john ashcroft told his briefers that he didn’t want to hear anymore about domestic terrorist threats. condoleeza rice and her assistant hadley took the attitude of “it’s not my job”. and bush told the commission that he “assumed” any threat had been taken care of.

    what the hell is more important to you far right wingers-loving bush or loving your country?

  52. sebastian says:

    maybe if u would stop reading all the stupid liberal propaganda and actually talk to someone that knows, my brother was in iraq for 10 months and knows that what were doin in iraq is the right thing and needed to be done. so all u tree hugging hippie welfare dems need to go to hell.

  53. Bob says:

    Talk about hypocritical…… Slim Fast forgets that “Freedom of Speech” is the 1st Amendment. How in the hell can one claim allegiance to the most fundamental American values one minute and then execute a public flogging against someone who exercises this right by voicing their own opinion? If any lesson was taught to our children, it was that cowardice and deceit will win out over the belief that this country is dedicated to truth and honesty. That is why we have troops dying in Iraq.

  54. maskling says:

    well, sebastian, let me tell you something you will not believe, but i will tell you anyway: i am a former halliburton employee who got back to the world from iraq in april. and what we are doing there may be good for iraqis but it is not good for us. and i say AMERICA FIRST.
    these utopian neoconservative ideologues (right wingers, i can hear you saying “what dat mean?”) have compared bringing democracy to iraq with imposing democracy on japan and germany after ww2. but what they ignore, at our peril, is that we had to utterly destroy those two countries before we could remake them. we took japan and germany, in the words of pol pot, back to year zero. only then did they surrender UNCONDITIONALLY, and had no choice other than to take the best deal we offered them.
    unless this nation is willing to pile bodies high, thick and deep (theirs and OURS) from corner to corner in the arabian peninsula, we will not get an unconditional surrender from iraq. the arabs don’t want democracy anyway-i have been there and i know. it does not fit with their ultra-macho, intolerant culture. and they do have an offer they like much better-international terrorism, no surrender, and kill all infidels.
    we were on the road to success in afghanistan until we pulled qway to fight the iraqi distraction. now the taliban and al queda are resurgent in afghanistan. we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, in order to let the utopian neocons try out their shallow theory. what a waste.
    last great utopian ideology: communism. it didn’t work either. history matters, you know.
    i spent 6 months in iraq, UNARMED, supporting our troops DIRECTLY. and they are the finest young men and women in the world. i love them. you had better believe that the flag they fly is MY FLAG. and a pissant little national guard deserter named BUSH has caused it to lose RESPECT around the world.

  55. KissMyAss Dems says:

    Bush had a hard job trying to fix all the f*ck ups Clinton caused while he was getting blown in the oral office, and now the democrats think he is some kind of hero.

    Dems don’t realize all these problems Bush is having to put up with started back with Clinton, and if Bush is not re-elected things are just now starting to look better and they will get the credit and just in time for the Dems to start f*cking everything up again.

  56. Big Mike says:

    Playing the blame game will get you nowhere, KissMyAss… except maybe the White House, where the level of personal responsibility is zero. It is easy to say that the reason things are not going well is because somebody else fucked up. The true measure of a man is to say, “I fucked up. I’m sorry.” To err is human, but to blame others is juvenile.