Pence Again Accuses Trump of Seeking to Violate the Constitution
It is worth repeating
Last night, former Vice President Mike Pence said the following:
“The American people deserve to know that the president asked me in his request that I reject or return votes. He asked me to put him over the Constitution and I chose the Constitution.”
Source: Politico
Video here (about halfway):
I know this is not the first time he has said it, and I also know Pence’s general culpability as a key member of the Trump administration.
But when the former Vice President is willing to repeatedly say to national audiences that the former President of the United States asked him to subvert the US Constitution, this is a momentous thing that deserves a spotlight. This is especially true when the subversion in question was aimed at undercutting the constitutional process to elect the president. This is core to our democracy. It isn’t some technical confusion or debatable request.
This isn’t the New York Times, Liz Cheney, or Adam Schiff making the accusation. It is Trump’s Vice President. It is a historically massive accusation that I think anyone who is thinking about voting for Trump should take very, very seriously (including the handful of OTB readers who fall into this camp).
I can tell you that the MAGAs will never, ever alter their position that Pence is a backstabbing, lying traitor who bretrayed the nation when he certified the election. Some of the things they’re calling him:
1. Oleaginous and creepy.
2. Refused to do his duty to the Constitution.
3. He should be shunned.
4. He has zero integrity.
5. Useful idiot for the Democrats.
6. Toxic waste.
Sad day when the we have to treat a simple statement of truth as momentous, because Trump and those who continue to entertain and enable him are traitors and liars.
Saw this day coming when I left the Republican cesspool for good after my fliratation with John McCain.
Treason Trump and anyone still voting for him are deplorable and disgraceful. And, yes, these self-evident truths need to be and will be endlessly repeated.
Mr. Pence greatly undermines his argument, when he defends El Cheeto from being criminally charged, and when he announces he will support his candidacy if he gets the nomination.
I want Trump to make Fulton county release the full surveillance video of Rudy Freeman with the chain of custody for the ballots in the suitcases.
[Deleted before posting: a cutting and nasty comment that would have accomplished nothing and just brought me down to the level of the trumpers. Karma: +1]
@Paul L.:
Do you mean Ruby Freeman?
@Paul L.:
You aren’t endearing like Charlie.
@Paul L.: You know, I usually try to take you seriously.
However, this is garbage. All this stuff has been audited, but since y’all didn’t get an answer you liked, you keep looking for some other rock to turn over. Trump had his day in court. He came up with nothing. Nothing.
Meanwhile, which is the topic of this post, Trump asked Pence to not count some of the votes Americans cast. That makes him an enemy of the basic foundations of this country.
@CSK: only one person has ever called Pence “Oleaginous”, and that was back in 2018, and despite his many, many problems I don’t think George Will is completely Gaga for MAGA.
Has there been another Oleaginous Incident?
(As for the rest, you’re entirely right. I just had to look up “oleaginous” since I don’t know it, and then wanted to see who used it… I was not surprised)
ETA: I would not want a sweetened breakfast cereal with a mascot who is “Gaga for MAGA”, even if the mascot was George Will. (I’m thinking some manly Trump Steak flavored cereal, shaped in letters like Alphabits, but just M, G, and two helpings of A. Or like Mr. T’s cereal.
ETA2: I would, however, love a cereal that proudly proclaims it is made with genetically modified corn, and is shaped like C, A, T and G. I’m thinking the mascot can be a boy with an extra arm.
ETA3: I’m mostly just excited to see an edit button.
@MarkedMan: Good call. I too was tempted but I would have regretted it when I woke up tomorrow morning.
@Paul L.:
What a coincidence!
I’ve been waiting for the Dallas Police Department to release the footage of Ted Cruz’s father letting Jack Ruby into the area where Lee Harvey Oswald was being shunted through.
@Paul L.: Rudy is the guy who recently conceded he was lying about and libeling Ruby Freeman. So I understand your confusion.
@Gustopher:
The word “oleaginous” was used by one of the very few semi-literate commenters at Lucianne.com. I’m sure everyone else there had to do so as well.
Ah, but Trump didn’t violate the true Constitution, the Constitution in their heads.
@Paul L.:..I want Trump to make…
You want?
OK. Please post up a draft of the motion that you would file with the Court to convince the Judge to order this action. Be sure to use the name Rudy. Since I suspect that you have no standing in Fulton County by all means present your work to Trump’s lawyers and let us know their response.
@Mister Bluster:
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis made that claim in her indictment now she should be forced to release evidence to back it up. Other than a election official said they reviewed the surveillance video and everything was Ok. Why can’t the public see the evidence?
@Paul L.:.. forced to release evidence…
Maybe the Judge is reading OTB right now and will heed your demands at the next hearing.
@Gustopher:
I can’t wait to take this out of context.
@Paul L.: You’re a pathetic liar. You and Trump deserve to rot in the darkest pits of hell for endangering Ruby Freeman life with your deranged sore loser smears.
@Paul L.:
I am a bit shocked at your focus on Ruby Freeman considering your part defenses of people who were unjustly prosecuted. As @Joe and others have noted Rudy Giuliani (former Federal Prosecutor btw) has been forced in the civil case to admit he had no evidence to support his private hounding of her.
So why are you continuing to advance those unfounded theories? That seems pretty selective and against your usual reasoning (see, um, Duke Lacrosse).
@Paul L.:
I am a bit shocked at your focus on Ruby Freeman considering your part defenses of people who were unjustly prosecuted. As @Joe and others have noted Rudy Giuliani (former Federal Prosecutor btw) has been forced in the civil case to admit he had no evidence to support his private hounding of her.
So why are you continuing to advance those unfounded theories? That seems pretty selective and against your usual reasoning (see, um, Duke Lacrosse).