Photos of Christian Schoolgirls Beheaded in Indonesia
Shawn Wasson has extremely graphic photos of Christian schoolgirls beheaded in Indonesia by terrorists who, in deference to Prince Charles’ visit, are, er, not Christian.
Indonesia boosts security after girls beheaded (Reuters)
Indonesian police beefed up security patrols on Sunday in the Poso area, plagued by sectarian violence for years, after mysterious assailants in black beheaded three teenage Christian girls. Six machete-wielding men attacked the 16 to 19-year-old students as they were walking to their school on Saturday on Indonesia’s eastern island of Sulawesi, police said.
Police official Made Rai said about 1,000 police, including reinforcements from other parts of the country, were securing the remote regency of Poso, with more than 300 additional officers expected to arrive on Sunday. “We are still investigating. So far no witness has been questioned and no suspect arrested,” Rai told Reuters by telephone from Poso, about 1,500 km (900 miles) northeast of capital Jakarta. One student survived and had described the attack.
Muslim-Christian clashes in the Poso area killed 2,000 people from 1998 through 2001, when a peace deal was agreed. While the worst violence abated after the deal, there have been sporadic outbreaks since. Bombings in May in the Christian town of Tentena killed 22 people.
The three headless bodies of the girls, dressed in brown uniforms, were left at the site of the attack. Their heads were found at separate locations two hours later by residents.
Din Syamsuddin, leader of Indonesia’s second-largest Muslim group Muhammadiyah, warned of more violence in Poso if police do not catch the perpetrators soon. “Similar murders are likely to occur in the future because there are some parties wishing communal conflict to flare up,” Din Syamsuddin was quoted as saying by Indonesia’s official news agency Antara.
Nothing a little more peace, love, and understanding wouldn’t cure.
Loathsome. Happily, Christians have never killed any innocent people in the name of their religion, and thus our title to Religion o’ Peace is secure. Deus lo volt!
While supposed Christian’s have undoubtedly killed in the name of their religion that hardly justifies this. What I find interesting is that there is no support in the teachings of Christ to support this kind of atrocity by Christians. So any Christians that did similar dismemberments (certainly during the crusades) at anytime weren’t actually following the teachings of Christ. Purportedly Mohammad wrote the killing infidels was good and would be rewarded. Muslims that return to the roots of their faith or much more dangerous. I would much prefer to live with true Christians than with true muslims. Of course if you prefer neither than maybe you can room with Stalin.
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Who on earth said that anything could justify the murder of these little girls?
I think you will look long and hard in the Qur’an to find anything about it’s being okay to murder schoolgirls of any religious persuasion.
Any one who beleives we are not at war with Islam is full of shit! Twenty years in the Army tells me we should be fighting all of the enemy. Not just those who carry weapons.We are dealing with an enemy that does not recognize morals, honesty or the Geneva Convention. Go read about Koji-do Island from the Korean War. This is what happens when the enemy does not recognize the Geneva Convention. Koji-do is also an example when the Geneva Convention is followed.
Always reminds me of the training movie where the prisoner says “According to the Geneva Convention”. The German major says “Ve are not in Geneva now, are ve?
I was referring to the teachings of Mohammad, I would be extremely happy to hear that I am wrong in this, as I believe that most religions eventually return to their true tenants.
Making a statement, that at least I’d interpret as “woo hoo, at least christians don’t do this” is much closer to, ‘maybe this ain’t so bad’ than an outright condemnation of the act.
Oops my bad, should have been tenets not tenants.
You have a valid point, Anderson, but how many centuries has it been since Christians have killed innocents in the name of their religion?
For that matter, how long has it been since Christians killed the guilty in the name of religion?
Civilization: priceless.
And any peaceable Muslim reading this discovers he is at war with Christians. Recycle Pres. Bush’s early uses of the word “Crusade†as appropriate.
I’ve got to say I’m not surprised, because I sometimes fall victim to a very dark view of the human spirit. This stuff makes me just step back and sadly observe – of course you’ll all kill each other for decades, or centuries, to come.
Note the “stability†of religious violence in Northern Ireland.
… what sad creatures we are.
And seriously James, are you going to go to sleep tonight satisfied that you fanned the flames of religious war?
Is that your contribution to the human cause?
First, I would believe that the ones that did the beheading were fanning the flames of a religious war, and not those, at least not in this case, reporting on it.
Second, I live in proximity to what I’ve heard is the largest arab, and presumably Moslem, population outside of the middle east. The people I’ve known and worked with from Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, and Iraq are every bit as peaceful as any Christian’s I’ve known. But I do wonder where things will end if Moslems revert back to their core beliefs. If this results in “live peacefully with all” then we don’t have a problem. If this result in “live peacefully with all, except you’ll be rewarded for killing infidels (i.e. non-moslim)” then I see a problem.
This was not a straight “report” Rodney, it was framed and spun as an indictment not just of the perpetrators, not just of an entire religion, but as a reason for us to fight that religion:
“Nothing a little more peace, love, and understanding wouldn’t cure.”
You know, there are wall-to-wall historical examples of what happens when you go down this road. As I said, Nothern Ireland is one. The Israeli situation is another. I knew a woman who grew up in Israel, served her time in their armed forces, and then left to come to America. She did not want to be part of a culture of permanent warfare.
I was working with her as GWB started on the path that took us to Iraq II. She observed, and I had to agree, that we were heading toward the Israeli model.
If we get into a situation where we just stubbornly kill each other, there is not an easy exit. The situation can become stable.
I tried to explain this to some folks before the invasion and at least one person asnwered “so?”
He was so angry, post 9/11, so irrational, that he was willing to sign on to permanent war as a result.
These beheaders are very bad people. They should be caught, and tried, according to the law of that land. But again, when we spin it up and respond to it as religous war we sign on to an all to human cycle – you kill me, i kill you, repeat.
Odo mentions Northern Ireland, which seems a pretty obvious example.
But I’m not quite sure what this argument proves. “Christians used to be murderous too, but fortunately there aren’t many real Christians any more”?
Or “Christians used to be murderous too, but we’ve stopped, so everybody else needs to stop too”?
Or “happily, we in the West no longer take our religious beliefs seriously enough to kill people for them”?
Pick one or supply your own, & we can discuss.
Or we could save the effort and agree that the bastards who killed these little girls were no more “religiously” motivated than was Lynndie England (not a murderess, natch).
WHere’s the lberal outrage over comments made by Iran re: the destruction of Israel? Oh yeah, I forgot, the rules only apply to us.
Jim Jones, 1978.
Gawd. Uuuoohh. Fuuuu….cccckkk. DOn’t do that to me again. Uuuunnnggghhyyyahh. Hurrrrrrrrrllllllll.
Actually Jim Jones, 1978 is a good case to bring up. They claimed to be Christians. I certainly don’t consider them Christians, and see nothing in the bible or from my upbringing in religion that would support the claims they make. They also are certainly not representative of the bulk of groups that consider themselves Christians.
If this is really what we have with in the Mid-east and around the world with the Islam religion. That a minor are misinterpreting the core teachings of Islam, then overall there shouldn’t be a long term holy war. (at least not due to the religion itself). If the bulk of the Moslem’s have a core value that its alright to kill infidels, then more than just a small number could “return” to these values.
Anderson stated that the Koran doesn’t support the terrorists actions. That is along the line of my understanding of the Koran, (which I am no scholar or) but I would like hear other views from different view points. Moslems seem to weigh heavily the teachings of Mohammad as well. My understanding is that part of these contain the teachings concerning jihads and the right to kill infidels (non-moslems). I would be very interested in hearing more views on the teachings concerning this area.
I knew these girls. They used to suck my cock after school every day at the Indonesia Academy For Gifted Students. And man were they gifted at blowing cock too. Lost about 20 gallons of cum with these chicks. A great loss for penises everywhere.
Rodney – I would hope that the bulk of current Moslims want to live quiet and peaceful lives, but it might be important to remember that peace loving Christians have evolved from an age when Christian-on-Christian religous murder and war were the norm.
The question might be how to encourage the growth of moderate Islam (hopefully already a good base).
I don’t think “killing them into it” is a good way to go, for the reasons I’ve already stated.
I agree with your first two statements though I would append the first to person on person murder or war were more the norm, whether religious or not. And I’m not trying to duck Christian involvment in murder and war over the centuries to current times. My point has been that the core of Christian teaching doesn’t really support those actions.
I’m not even sure what to make of the third statement. If you mean killing the girls into Islam is not a good recruitment technique, I would agree. If you meant something else you would have to explaining. (I don’t think killing people into Christianity is a good recruitment technique either. if thats what you meant.)
By “killing them into it” I’m speaking of our friends in these threads more willing to declare a war on Islam.
That is the modern view.
Is the violence in Northern Ireland really Christian on Christian violence, or more a tribalistic/ethnic conflict. A lot of the violence seems to be more tribal and political in nature, and not done with any theological justification. After all, the IRA’s politics are socialist, and has derived support from non Christian socialists and radicals around the world, like Libya and Iran.
Interesting question. Tribalism and religious wars both lead to ruin, and in come cases it may be “chicken and egg” as to which one came first.
It is also interesting that socialism could be invented far after the Irish conflict, but later grafted in.