One Week to go Forum

Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor of Political Science and a College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter


  1. CSK says:
  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    from Caution and confidence keep Biden close to home in final days

    According to the poll, 56 percent of voters in Wisconsin have a less favorable impression of Trump as a result of those rallies, compared to 26 percent who have a more favorable view of him. The results are similar in Arizona (55-26 percent), Florida (58-22 percent), North Carolina (55-25 percent), Pennsylvania (58-22 percent) and Michigan (56-25 percent).

    The crazification number again. And again and again and again and again and again…

  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    LONDON (Reuters) – Antibodies against the novel coronavirus declined rapidly in the British population during the summer, a study found on Tuesday, suggesting protection after infection may not be long lasting and raising the prospect of waning immunity in the community.

    Scientists at Imperial College London have tracked antibody levels in the British population following the first wave of COVID-19 infections in March and April.

    Their study found that antibody prevalence fell from 6% of the population around the end of June to just 4.4% in September. That raises the prospect of decreasing population immunity ahead of a second wave of infections that has forced local lockdowns and restrictions in recent weeks.

    Although immunity to the novel coronavirus is a complex and murky area, and may be assisted by T cells, as well as B cells that can stimulate the quick production of antibodies following re-exposure to the virus, the researchers said the experience of other coronaviruses suggested immunity might not be enduring.

    “We can see the antibodies and we can see them declining and we know that antibodies on their own are quite protective,” Wendy Barclay, Head of Department of Infectious Disease at Imperial College London told reporters.

    “On the balance of evidence I would say, with what we know for other coronaviruses, it would look as if immunity declines away at the same rate as antibodies decline away, and that this is an indication of waning immunity at the population level.”

    But “herd immunity”…

  4. OzarkHillbilly says:

    A conservative US evangelical organisation is taking legal action against UK entertainment venues that cancelled appearances by Franklin Graham, a preacher who has expressed homophobic and Islamophobic views, earlier this year.

    The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) is suing venues in Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield and Wales for breach of contract. Franklin Graham told the Guardian in February that he was “being denied [a platform] because of religious beliefs”.

    No, it’s because you are a bigoted asshole and dressing your bigotry up in religious clothing doesn’t change that fact.

    The 67-year-old preacher has said that gay people are “the enemy” and responsible for a “moral implosion”, and that Islam is “an evil and very wicked religion”.

    Yes, gay people made Jerry Falwell Jr. do it. I rest my case.

  5. Scott says:

    Random observations from San Antonio (at least my small middle-upper middle class suburb):

    People are going all out for Halloween. The yard decorations are more elaborate than ever. However, there seems to be a violence to them. A lot more skeletons, a lot more axes in heads, a lot more blood and gore. More hanging bodies. Subliminal lynchings? Sign of the times?

    Yard signs: about 60-40 for Trump. Less than I expected. This is the kind of neighborhood that would have “shy Biden voters” instead of hidden Trump voters.

    Early voting yesterday surpassed 2016 in numbers and percentage. Early voting continues through Friday.

    Coronavirus news: After doing pretty good, cases are rising, hospitalizations are up, ventilator use is up. Schools have been open for two months now and no virus breakouts. Most kids are back in school. Good so far. However, my wife’s elementary school just had to send a letter out saying there has been a student who test positive. First in two months.

    Then there’s this and not sure what to think of it:

    Texas Guard to send troops to cities for possible ‘postelection’ disturbances

    The Texas National Guard said Monday that it would dispatch up to 1,000 troops to five major cities around the state, including San Antonio, as early as this weekend to provide security in case disturbances break out after the Nov. 3 election.

    Officials in San Antonio said they weren’t consulted and didn’t think the move was necessary.

    Good times.

  6. Bill says:
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  8. Jen says:

    VMI cadets decide to wallow in the gutter.

    This is *exactly* the problem.

  9. Scott says:


    Two more things:

    1) Signs with these sayings are popping up:

    In This House
    We Believe:
    Black Lives Matter
    No Human Is Illegal
    Love is Love
    Women’s Rights Are Human Right
    Science is Real

    2) A lot more American flags are flying. At first, I though it may be a Trump/Republican signifier but many have Biden/Harris signs also.

  10. sam says:
  11. CSK says:

    Apropos of absolutely nothing: Last night I was reading a biography of Jacqueline Onassis by an English biographer, Sarah Bradford. In it, the author makes mention several times of Jackie tooling around Washington D.C. in 1952 and 1952 in what several people refer to as her “sporty little Mustang.” I stopped right there.

    There was no Mustang, sporty or otherwise, in 1951 or 1952. The prototype wasn’t designed until 1961, and the first 1965 Mustangs weren’t available to the public until till the fall of 1964.

    While it’s true that there were 1962 and 1963 “concept car” Mustangs to pretest public interest, Jackie wasn’t tooling around in one ten years prior to that.

    Easily correctable errors like that irritate me. Rant over.

  12. sam says:

    Proofraeding ain’t what it used to be.

  13. CSK says:

    Well, mine certainly isn’t.

  14. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @sam: It takes a special kind of masochist.

  15. Mister Bluster says:

    Peek A Boo

    Mister Bluster says:
    Monday, October 26, 2020 at 21:10
    @OzarkHillbilly:.. “How you doing?” Being friendly doesn’t cost anything.

    No matter who I encounter here in Sleepytown I have lived in Southern Illinois long enough
    (52 years) that my greeting is almost always “Howdy”. If someone greets me first my reply is “I’m just overjoyed to be here!”
    Unless I’m washing my clothes. Then I say “I’m at the laundromat, how good can it be?”
    I usually go to the coffee shop after Sudsy Dudsy and I tell them “I just got done at the laundromat, it’s like I’ve got a whole new life!”

    Gustopher says:
    Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 01:31
    @Mister Bluster: Where is that from? Google gives me nothing, but it sounds familiar…

    I want to say it’s an offhand passage from a minor work of Steinbeck. It’s a little reminiscent of the beer milkshake from Cannery Row, but more fitting with Travels With Charlie

    Steinbeck…Yikes! You are jiving me right?
    Modestly submitted, it’s an original Bluster narrating real life events.

  16. sam says:

    New trailer for Season 2 of His Dark Materials.

  17. Teve says:

    @sam: that’s really gorgeous country, best viewed through a window with fresh coffee and a sweater

  18. Paine says:

    I’ve donated about three times as much as I usually do to the Biden campaign. I’d volunteer to drive people to the polls but Washington is all mail-in. I’m not the most social person so no campaign wants me making phone calls or knocking on doors on their behalf. I feel like I’ve done what I can.

    The character of this nation is on the line. If Biden wins then enough people agree with me that DJT is not what America is about. If Trump wins, then we truly are a nation of deplorables. I am cautiously optimistic but after 2016… I’m wary to count on the decency of my fellow citizens.

  19. Teve says:


    Don’t think for a second that this court will stop at overturning Roe. They will enact fetal personhood in all 50 states. They will ban the minimum wage.

    If Democrats wait for the first shocking ruling before committing to expand the courts, it will be too late.

  20. Kathy says:

    Bad news on the COVID-19 treatment front. Eli Lilly’s monoclonal antibodies proved ineffective in critical patients. So much so, that the trial has been ended.

    However, trials with patients less ill and even with light symptoms continue. it may be the antibodies have a better effect before the virus does too much damage. This could confirm my suspicion that part of the problem with COVID mortality is the immune system itself.

    On other news, the Mexican government is finally admitting the death count from COVID-19 is higher than the official numbers. more around 135,000 deaths than 90,000. This also means the case numbers are far higher than the nearly 900,000 admitted thus far.

  21. Teve says:

    @CSK: I can’t find out what kind of car she had in 1952, all anybody on the Internet wants to talk about is her 1974 BMW.

  22. Teve says:
  23. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Paine: I made some small donations yesterday to DEMs in close contests, Bollier in KS, Greenfield in IA, Smith in MN. Was going to give to Ossof in GA but then I saw this Schupp ad and sent her a little money instead. Funny that they all went to women candidates, I was just looking for close contests where every little bit counts.

    That was supposed to end my campaign giving for the year but now I feel a little guilty about not sending any to Ossof so I’m going to $25 over my allowance for him.

  24. CSK says:

    From a quick search, I can’t find anything that looked like a Mustang. The Chevy Corvette did, a bit, but that debuted in 1953.

  25. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: I was going to guess this little beauty, but it wasn’t released until 1954

  26. JohnSF says:

    Good news on the vaccine front though.

    OxfordU/AstraZeneca phase 2 trials reporting immunity response in all age groups, appears to be particularly robust response and minimal side effects in elderly subjects.

    Not the last word, as it still needs phase 3 trials and full determination of clinical effect i.e. do raised antibodies actually generally prevent infection at scale?
    But at least it’s hopeful.

  27. Mr. Prosser says:

    @CSK: @Teve: I’ll bet it was a European import. MG, Austin, Alpha

  28. CSK says:

    The white supremacists are really, really unhappy about this. They say the repeal of Roe v. Wade will lead to more African American and Hispanic women giving birth.

  29. CSK says:

    @Mr. Prosser:
    Maybe, but most people can identify those correctly. I have read that Jackie and her sister Lee bought a Hillman Minx and drove it around Europe in the summer of 1951.

  30. JohnSF says:

    @Mr. Prosser:
    Didn’t JFK own an MG-T?
    That could be it.
    Don’t see how you’d mistake it for a Mustang though!

  31. CSK says:

    That is a nice car.

    But Jackie hadn’t met JFK then.
    Interesting anecdote: Before the White House years, Jackie wanted to buy JFK a Thunderbird. Old Joe wouldn’t permit this; he had ordained that the Kennedy family would drive only Buicks.

  32. Kathy says:


    Rooting for the home team, are you? 😉

    Of course I don’t care who comes up with a good vaccine. I’d take one from North Korea, if it had been through rigorous trials.

    The good news is phase 3 trials of the Oxford vaccine are underway. The better news, is that this is a one-dose vaccine, which is far less complicated than the mRNA two-dose version. Not only does it act faster, but you don’t risk people failing to show up for a second dose.

  33. dazedandconfused says:
  34. Teve says:

    @CSK: low-info people were suspicious of the FBI’s arrest of Eric Rudolph. Why would the same person bomb both abortion clinics and the Olympics?

    Race. The abortion clinics were aborting white babies—the wrong ones! And the Olympics was the global symbol of race mixing.

  35. CSK says:

    By gum, it does, doesn’t it?

  36. JohnSF says:

    Found a link to a pic.
    Black Mercury 1947 convertible.
    Gift from her father.
    That’s got to be it.

  37. Teve says:


    George Soros and his left wing media outlets are peddling baseless and absurd attacks against Judge Barrett. We will not stand for this.

  38. Teve says:


    There are a lot of people who are anti-Trump but still consider themselves Conservative, who are quite delighted with Barrett being placed on the Supreme Court.

    It has me quite confused and it made me think of this tweet.

    It could easily be argued that everything on that list is something Progressives stand for. And I realized I don’t get it—I don’t understand why anyone (never-trumper or otherwise) would still identify as Conservative. Whether Trump wins or loses, what is it Conservatives want?

    I grew up in a small politically conservative town in Utah. My dad was a Democrat, my mom was a Republican. I was always taught that debate and opposing views were good and healthy for our country. In some instances, I can see how that’s true.
    If a new law has been proposed, it is healthy and good to look at it from all angles; to discuss and debate it; to consider all the people that will be impacted and learn from them so we can find out information we might be missing, or that we might not have factored in.
    But the way Conservatives argue is not good or healthy for our country. It’s just a manipulative waste of time. So I’m wondering:

    What if Conservatives stopped wasting time arguing positions that the vast majority of the country has no interest in?
    There are a whole bunch of common sense, easily understandable positions that the majority of the country wants, and that Conservatives (even before Trump) continue to fight against. Why? It’s hard to tell. We know it’s about status quo and money and preserving white power.
    But the endgame doesn’t make any sense. They hurt a ton of people. They don’t win anyone to their point of view. And when they have a “victory”, like rushing to put Barrett on the Supreme Court, they just get angrier and meaner. It’s bizarre.

    Take the ACA for example. Despite the nickname of Obamacare, the basis for the ACA plan was originally created by Conservatives. Simply adopting that plan was a major compromise on the part of Progressives. They used a Conservative plan!
    They could have fought for something much more progressive (I wish!), but they didn’t. They compromised instead. There is no better bridge building than that.

    So Conservatives, what did you do in response? You rejected it anyway. You fought against your own plan tooth and nail.
    You continue to fight it all these years later, and not once, not even for a minute, have you come up with something to replace it with. And we know why you haven’t come up with a replacement. It’s because it was your plan in the first place. It was already your best ideas!
    The vast majority of the country agrees that healthcare is a right. It’s a no brainer. The whole country benefits from a healthy population. And we can see that so many other countries have already figured this out with great success.
    Should we waste more time and energy and resources debating whether or not everyone should have access to healthcare? Absolutely not. Should we discuss and debate the best way to tax the ultra-wealthy to ensure free healthcare for all? Absolutely yes.
    The vast majority of the country is VERY worried by climate change. People are ready and willing to make changes that will help; to drive healthier cars, choose solar power for their homes, work from home to limit a commute. We just need leaders who will prioritize this.

    What if Conservatives would stop wasting time arguing about whether climate change is real, and instead the country could debate how best to implement the most effective ways to stop or reverse the damage?
    Conservatives, tell me: what is the negative outcome of using cleaner energy? Hint: There is none! What if we shifted to clean energy—and the water was safe, and the coral reefs began coming back, and 500,000 babies didn’t die of air pollution.

    Polluted air killing half a million babies a year across globe
    State of Global Air report says indoor air quality causing two-thirds of the deaths and affecting health in the womb
    But then, just as Conservatives suspected all along, we found out some other reason for global warming that no one has thought of.

    SO WHAT?! We’d all still benefit from the clean air, clean water, the organic food, the safer technologies.
    There are only positives for pushing clean energy and fighting global warming. It creates jobs! It encourages American ingenuity! There are zero downsides! Why in the WORLD would Conservatives, who claim to love America, fight against this? Make it make sense!
    The vast majority of the country wants excellent, free education available to all—PreK thru college. Literally everyone benefits as the general population becomes more educated. Employers and Employees benefit. Children and Communities benefit. Conservatives and Liberals benefit.
    And we have plenty of money for education. We just keep wasting it by allocating it to things like a swollen military and the prison-industrial complex. What if we didn’t have to debate whether or not college should be free, and instead discussed how we want to fund it?
    The vast majority of the country wants the government to stay far away from legislating women’s bodies. We agree abortion is something a doctor and patient should discuss and it is nobody else’s business, certainly not the government’s business.
    There is no mandate for criminalizing abortion. There is nothing to debate here. Nothing to discuss. There is no mandate for legislating abortion at all. We could eliminate all abortion-related laws and it would improve politics in major ways.
    Think of all the time and resources we could save if the only people who ever needed to talk about abortion were doctors and their patients?

    (Plus we know Progressive policies decrease abortion, and Conservative policies increase abortion. So there’s that.)
    The vast majority of the country is completely on board with gay marriage. Like, we don’t even think of it anymore because it’s been legal for 5 years and there have been exactly zero negative consequences for anyone. Why would you still cling to this fight? It’s over. Let it go.

    You never had a good argument against gay marriage. Stop wasting everyone’s time, and torturing vulnerable communities, by bringing this happily resolved fight back to the surface. And the future? Gen Z? Even the most sheltered Gen Zers have no interest in this particular fight.
    The vast majority of the country is aching for nationwide, effective, common sense gun laws. Anyone who has recently read the 2nd amendment can see that it takes mind-bending manipulation to try and use that amendment to justify a private citizen owning an arsenal of AR-15s.
    Nothing about the Conservative approach to guns makes any sense. Even the vast majority of gun owners want better gun laws! What if Conservatives stopped wasting our time, making everyone debate the idea that the writers of the Constitution could predict the future.
    Conservatives have no platform. Even when Trump is gone (and I realize he may win again), there will be no platform. What does it even mean to be Conservative? What is it exactly you are trying to conserve at this point?
    You fight against education. You fight against healthcare. You fight against clean air and water. You fight against equality and justice. You fight against de-militarizing the police. You fight against balancing the budget. You fight against loan forgiveness.
    You fight against gay marriage. You fight against bodily autonomy. You fight against preventing disinformation. You fight against balancing the budget. You fight against free speech and protests. You fight against freedom of religion. You fight against preventing monopolies.
    You fight against a living wage. You fight against reparations. You fight against free and easy access to voting. You fight against keeping families together. You fight against helping refugees. You fight against immigration. You fight against the most basic gun laws.
    What do you fight *for*? What do you believe? What could you say to convince anyone to your side? You’ve demonstrated repeatedly you have no interest in conserving political norms. So what is it you are so invested in conserving? Why are you determined to waste everyone’s time?
    When you picture the future of the country as run by Conservatives, what is it you’re imagining? I do not understand what your Conservative endgame is. What do you want the country to look like in ten years, and what do you picture your role will be?
    If we follow the current Conservative trajectory toward its logical and inevitable end, what we have left is Bannon, Kellyanne, Kavanaugh, and the Koch Brothers ruling 5000 white QAnon diehards in a very cold hideaway in rural Idaho.
    Just like Ayn Rand’s paranoid Atlas Shrugged fantasy, except without anyone even remotely talented or interesting. Is that your endgame? If not, explain how your actions don’t lead to that specific end. If yes, then hey: go do that now and let the rest of the country progress.

    Make your arguments, Conservatives. I’m all ears. What do Conservatives want? What do Conservatives believe? And in October 2020, why would anyone still want to call themselves a Conservative?


  39. MarkedMan says:

    @JohnSF: @CSK: Years ago my wife worked for the fundraising side of a local Planned Parenthood organization. There were a number of wealthy old ladies who donated under the mistaken impression that it was primarily black women who used PP services, and b) that “services” consisted exclusively or primarily of abortion services. They were pretty clear that they felt their money was going to decrease the number of blacks in the world.

    The staff took the money and shook their heads. It came up from time to time in conversation but how do you even process something like that?

  40. MarkedMan says:

    @CSK: Hillman Minx? I just looked it up and if anyone every mistook that for a sports car, they no doubt think the Chrysler K car was the height of luxury, or that the newest Japanese cars are really redefining elegance and taste when it comes to car grills.

  41. MarkedMan says:

    @JohnSF: Hah! I always thought that was a Lotus. I had a friend that used to have one or a similar one, and he claimed he could stub his cigarette out on the ground when he was stopped at a light.

  42. MarkedMan says:

    @MarkedMan: Just remembered, he had a Lotus 7, which is a later model and only resembles the MG-T in the broadest sense. Makes the “stubbing a cigarette on the ground” pretty realistic…

  43. Sleeping Dog says:


    Nash Metropolitan?

  44. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Sleeping Dog:


    Never mind.

  45. Teve says:

    @MarkedMan:people in the car business refer to that as the Predator Grille.

  46. CSK says:

    It probably is. But how anyone mistake that for a Mustang escapes me.

  47. Michael Reynolds says:

    Katherine and I just pulled the plug on our involvement with the Animorphs Movie.

    This will astound @EddieinCA and @wr, but IP creators are sometimes not respected in Hollywood.

  48. CSK says:

    @Michael Reynolds:
    Oh, boy. Can you talk about what happened?

  49. Teve says:

    Ken Cuccinelli:


    With this SCOTUS pick, @realDonaldTrump takes his place as the greatest SCOTUS President since the founding era (at least), and possibly of all time.

    This, plus that ‘sure thing’ Nobel Peace Prize for Mideast peace … pretty good track record!


    You’re an idiot. Pure and simple.

    Have you ever seen a group of people so willing to debase themselves?

  50. Kathy says:


    News stories about commercial aircraft, even major crashes, often use stock photos of aircraft. Very often they don’t get the plane type right. I don’t mean they show a 737-700 instead of a 737-800, they’re similar enough. but that the story is about a 737 (medium-sized, two engines) and will show a 747 (big, 4 engines).

    I’m somewhat relieved it happens with cars, too.

  51. MarkedMan says:

    @Teve: You know, it seems like Japanese Industrial Designers are on like a 20 year cycle. Whether it be cars, car radios, stereo systems or anything else they go from perfecting elegance and simplicity to baroque monstrosities. I remember in the 80’s and 90’s when you couldn’t sleep in the same room as a Japanese stereo system because of the flashing lights and LED displays that covered everything and that were constantly pulsing, skittering or bouncing.

    Nowadays it is car exteriors. It’s like every square meter of surface was given to a different design team along with instructions to include at least 3 random swoops or lines so, of course, there is no flow line whatsoever, with every crease and seam caroming off at a different angle. And don’t get me started on the ugly bulbous head light and taillight assemblies, which look like they were mashed together form a a half dozen random Duplo blocks. These aren’t even the worst by any stretch but are illustrative. Why do they stick out so far from the flow lines of the hood and sides? Why are they so angular? And why do those angles have nothing to do with any other angles? For that matter, why are the curved pieces randomly curved with no continuity between the rest of the car. Not to mention how they exacerbate the clunkiness of the many seams and steps in the hood. Take a long look at that and envision some kind of cereal box toy frog head. Once that’s in your head you will never be able to look at a modern Sentra without thinking “frog via the Lego corporation”. I don’t think of myself as being overly concerned with style, but this makes me want to pull my eyes out.

  52. MarkedMan says:

    @Michael Reynolds: Sorry to hear. It seems that this is by far the norm. Maybe more of a question for Eddie or wr, but why is that.

  53. Teve says:
  54. Kathy says:


    Fingers crossed.

    I warn you all, if Biden wins, I’ll launch into an explanation of the beginner’s luck fallacy.

  55. CSK says:

    This happens often. Among writers, there’s a saying: “Get the option money. Get the purchase price. Then pray they don’t make the movie.”

    Usually it’s the studio that pulls the plug, for a variety of reasons. They don’t mind losing whatever they’ve paid to the author of the book; even if it’s a lot of money to the author, it’s chump change to an outfit like Paramount or Disney.

    Been there. Done that.

  56. Teve says:

    I saw a version of this years ago. I tried to Google it recently but couldn’t find it. A friend just randomly posted it on Facebook.

    A Day in the Life of Sue Republican

    Sue gets up at 6 a.m. and fills her coffeepot with water to prepare her morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.

    With her first swallow of coffee, she takes her daily medication. Her medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

    All but $10 of her medications are paid for by her employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Sue gets it too.

    She prepares her morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Sue’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

    In the shower, Sue reaches for her shampoo. Her bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for her right to know what she was putting on her body and how much it contained.

    Sue dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air she breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

    She walks to the subway station for her government-subsidized ride to work. It saves her considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Sue begins her work day. She has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Sue’s employer pays these standards because Sue’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.

    If Sue is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, she’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think she should lose her home because of her temporary misfortune.

    Its noon and Sue needs to make a bank deposit so she can pay some bills. Sue’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Sue’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

    Sue has to pay her Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and her below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Sue and the government would be better off if she was educated and earned more money over her lifetime.

    Sue is home from work. She plans to visit her father this evening at his farm home in the country. She gets in her car for the drive. Her car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards.

    She arrives at her childhood home. Her generation was the third to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

    She is happy to see her father, who is now retired. Her father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Sue wouldn’t have to.

    Sue gets back in her car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Sue enjoys throughout her day. Sue agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m self-made and believe everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

  57. Scott says:

    @MarkedMan: Back in the 80s, before the big Japanese car companies built design studios here in the US to cater to the US market, Japanese cars were styled for their local market. Like a lot of Japanese design, the little details mattered because of living in close quarters. The cars were made to be see close up. Rear view mirrors were placed way out on the front fenders. When I was stationed there, I noticed they totally pampered their cars, inside and out. Even put lace curtains in the rear window. And they didn’t like used cars either. It was great for US troops because we could get used cars dirt cheap.

  58. Northerner says:


    Have you ever seen a group of people so willing to debase themselves?

    Only Toronto Maple Leafs fans …

  59. Kylopod says:

    @Teve: My position is that the American conservative movement is, essentially, a scam. I know that some liberals like to wax sentimental about how today’s Republicans aren’t “true conservatives” like their forebears, how they’ve betrayed the honorable conservative tradition and become reactionaries. I don’t buy it. They’ve been this way, more or less, for as long as there’s been a self-conscious “conservative movement” in America. And once you get past all the vague slogans–I’m for limited government, fiscal responsibility, etc.–you almost immediately run up against demonstrable lies.

    Take “fiscal responsibility.” The agenda we see currently–tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, and assaults on social program, all having the cumulative effect of massive deficits–did not begin with Trump. It’s been GOP orthodoxy since Reagan. It’s one of the most unifying features of the party, joining moderates and rightists alike. In 2017 Susan Collins justified her support for Trump’s tax cuts on the grounds that “Economic growth produces more revenue and that will help to offset this tax cut and actually lower the debt.” When Chuck Todd asked her to support that statement, she cited three right-wing economists, two of whom subsequently clarified that they said no such thing. Collins wasn’t promoting a right-wing economic position. She was saying something she knew perfectly well was bullshit, to justify a policy favored by her rich benefactors. Like most elected Republicans, Collins is a con artist. That isn’t an insult, it’s a job description.

    People who actually take the debt seriously are almost all Democrats, such as Obama’s team of economic advisers. There are also many on the left who think the concerns over debt are overblown. The real debate over debt and fiscal matters takes place almost entirely within the Democratic Party. The Republicans aren’t participating in that debate, they are engaged in a scam.

    Or take health care. Many liberals get this one wrong. It’s true that Heritage did once promote some of the ideas in the ACA, and that Republicans in 1993 proposed a bill that was quite similar to the future ACA. But they were backing it as a foil against the Clinton plan. They never seriously pursued it anytime they got into power. As for Romney, he was the governor of a blue state working closely with Ted Kennedy. Romneycare has about as much relevance to Romney’s party as John Bel Edwards’ anti-abortion bill has to his.

    In 2017 Philip Klein of Washington Examiner wondered why Republicans don’t come out and say, “We don’t believe that it is the job of the federal government to guarantee that everybody has health insurance.” But of course they never say that out loud. Their entire approach to health care has long been to use lying and misdirection to create the impression that they favor universal coverage, and to malign Democratic health-care proposals by falsely suggesting those proposals will endanger the coverage people already have. They’re con artists. Their job is to sell something to the public they know the public doesn’t want, by pretending it’s the opposite of what it is.

    You might object that Democratic politicians also lie. No. Politicians are all salespeople of a sort, and salespeople sometimes lie. But Dems do genuinely believe in the product they’re selling, and they present that product more or less accurately according to the way they see it. Republicans on the other hand are like the salesmen from Glengarry Glen Ross: they know perfectly well their products are garbage, and they believe their job is to trick gullible people into buying them, under a misguided notion that that’s what capitalism is about.

  60. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Radley Balko

    One of my favorite things about living in Tennessee is that when someone asks about the Republican doctor/state legislator who illegally prescribed opioids to a patient with whom he was having sex, we get to say . . . “You’ll have to be more specific.”
    Quote Tweet

    Natalie Allison
    · 21h
    Sen. Joey Hensley, who was prescribing opioids to a woman who was simultaneously his employee, second cousin and lover, continues to be one of the top sponsors of anti-LGBT bills in Tennessee.

  61. dazedandconfused says:


    Have you ever seen a group of people so willing to debase themselves?

    Certainly, the world is full of them and they are known as trolls. A large portion of Trump’s appeal is to trolls. Cuccinelli is clearly of this sort. A fun thing to do when one of this ilk asks, seeking argument (which isn’t argument, it’s only the seeking of an opportunity to troll), why one is voting for Biden is to reply “Because he makes right-winger’s heads explode.”

  62. Teve says:


    “It would be very, very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on Nov. 3, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate, and I don’t believe that’s by our laws.” — Trump (In fact tallying all the ballots is consistent with the law.)

    Fun fact: states have five weeks to certify the election. California certified the Nov 8, 2016 election on December 16th.

  63. CSK says:

    Expecting Trump to understand or even acknowledge and obey the law is like expecting your goldfish to understand calculus.

  64. MarkedMan says:

    @Kylopod: Just in case you are viewing me as someone who likes “to wax sentimental about how today’s Republicans aren’t “true conservatives” like their forebears”, let me clarify my position. I separate the Modern Republican Party from the one that existed in my youth mostly because that Party did not consist solely of self identified conservatives as it does today. I can think of a few Liberal Republicans off the top of my head, and many more who had quite liberal positions on specific issues.

    On another tack, I differentiate conservative positions from positions that self identified conservatives take. A conservative position is one that says we shouldn’t change long standing norms and institutions or, if they do need to be changed, we should do it slowly. This is in contrast to a progressive position which is that a norm or institution has reached its sell by date and futzing around the edges is only going to give the illusion of the necessary change, so lets repeal and replace. On some issues I lean more conservative and on some issues I learn more progressive. But these positions have nothing to do with what self identified conservatives or progressives might believe.

    Finally, I believe you can take the leadership of the people alive today who self identify as conservatives and trace an unbroken line back to those who didn’t want civil rights for gays or blacks or women, who wanted to exclude Jews and Catholics from schools and clubs, who fought against the woman’s suffrage, who supported apartheid and slavery and locking people up for their religious beliefs. McConnel and Graham, Dreher, Rand and Buchanan trace directly back to the jacket and tie hate and bigotry of William F. Buckley and, before that, Woodrow Wilson but also directly back to the hooded night riders and good old boys. They may have called themselves something other than conservative, but they were nonetheless knots along the same rope.

    Bottom line, “conservatism” is a position, while modern day “Conservatism” is a power structure, and they have nothing to do with each other.

  65. Mike in Arlington says:

    @Kylopod: It may be through a haze of nostalgia and age, but the big difference between today’s conservatives and conservatives from before say 1992 ish is that the republicans of yore at least acted like they were interested in governing. The current group doesn’t want to have anything to do with governing, the only thing they’re interested is amassing power, like voting to affirm judges rather than take up a covid aid bill.

    But, as I said, that’s how I remember it, not how it actually was.

  66. DrDaveT says:


    On another tack, I differentiate conservative positions from positions that self identified conservatives take.

    That seems wise, and useful.

    A conservative position is one that says we shouldn’t change long standing norms and institutions or, if they do need to be changed, we should do it slowly.

    I have gradually come to believe that only the first half of that definition applies. I find almost zero evidence of a nontrivial body of people who believe that X really does need to be changed, but believe that gradual tactics will best accomplish the needed changes. Invariably, this position is dissimulation — they actually do not want X to change at all, but realize that taking this position openly would be unpopular and/or counterproductive to their goal.

    I recognize that this may have been different in the past, when there were liberals and conservatives who agreed on the goals but differed with regard to means. We didn’t always know that the negative incentives of safety nets don’t outweigh their benefits for steady growth and social progress. We didn’t always know that public health is best thought of as infrastructure, like public schools and highways, whose benefits repay the substantial investments needed and outweigh the costs of unproductive free riders. We didn’t always know that having meaningful labor unions does not necessarily lead to communism. But we do know these things now, and have known them for a while.

  67. sam says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    Is it going well?

    Very well.

    But nothing is happening.

    Yes, but very well.

    Gentlemen! Thank you! You are welcome.

    Who is that?

    Nobody. The author.

    Shakespeare in Love

  68. Sleeping Dog says:


    Nowadays it is car exteriors. It’s like every square meter of surface was given to a different design team along with instructions to include at least 3 random swoops or lines so, of course, there is no flow line whatsoever, with every crease and seam caroming off at a different angle.

    That’s intentional in Japanese auto design. Think back to the Japanese cars of the 60’s & 70’s. At the time, European and American car design was moving toward cleaner, smoother shapes, while the surfaces of Japanese cars were littered with odd bits of chrome and weird turns of sheet metal. Somewhere in that time period, I read an analysis of Japanese car design and one of the things that it pointed out is that Japanese cities are very crowded and there is a smaller opportunity for someone to stand back and view the design as a whole. Those odd chrome touches and bends were intended as surface interest to capture the viewers attention.

    To increase sales in the US and Europe that moderated some in the late 70’s and Datsun (Nissan) was the first with the 510 sedan which cribbed its design language from the BMW Neue Classe. Then they went right back to traditional Japanese design with the B210. Toyota and Honda went as far as having distinct bodies for the US/Eur market from what was sold in Asia.

  69. JohnSF says:

    As I’ve said before, Republican “conservatives” seem to have more in common with the alt-right in other countries than the mainstream right-of-centre/conservative parties.
    Just look at German CDU, French Republicans, Spanish PP, Japanese LDP etc.

    The exceptions seem to be some former “eastern bloc” countries, where the post-1945 reconstruction of the right did not take place.
    And Italy due the split of the old Christian Democrats, the legacy of Berlusconi’s personal politics, regionalism and “hate them all” populism.

    And in the last few years the Conservatives in Britain have gone off the rails, due to the stresses of Brexit, “activist capture” similar to the US, and a campaign over the past 20 years of culture warriors and “libertarians” aligned with the Murdoch/Barclays media and “transatlantic” lobbying networks.
    The perils of a common language; UK right easily slide into the influence of US right media/social media systems.

  70. sam says:

    This guy might be the lineal descendant of this guy.

  71. Kylopod says:

    @sam: I remember years ago looking at some of the old Queen videos and noticing SBC’s resemblance to Freddie, so I wasn’t surprised when he was the first one cast in the role (but later dropped out).

    Oh by the way, everyone: if you have Amazon Prime, see Borat 2.

  72. JohnSF says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    But also, if you look at European car design, the “clean lines” approach of the 80’s seems to have turned to increasingly baroque exaggeration of features.
    Compare BMW 3 series from 1975 through different versions into the 200’s with the 2020 BMW 1 or 3.
    Or Mercedes w124 to 2020 GLA.

    Japanese take it a lot further, though.
    With one obvious exception: Mazda.
    New Mazda 3 is beautifully elegant. and clean-lined.

  73. sam says:


    We tried to watch it last Friday night, but encountered significant buffering. Never seen that before from Amazon Prime, and we have a fairly fast, hardwired connection to our Roku. Probably because there was a huge demand on the servers for the film. We’ll try again this Friday.

  74. MarkedMan says:

    @JohnSF: 100% agreement on the Mazda 3. In fact, Mazda’s in general are nice, once they got the hideous design language of the RX-8 out of their system.

    Aston Martins are often beautiful, as are Jaguars. Minis and Jeep’s are ugly but in a wonderfully deliberate and consistent way. Honda sedans are often very nice, while Toyota sedans went from boring to hideous in the space of a few design cycles. I saw a Chrysler 200 on the street the other day and whatever else it’s fault, it was perfectly executed aesthetically. I like recent Lincoln sedans for the most part, and Cadillacs actually pull off a consistent and different design language then the competition, and much more appealing in recent years. The Tesla S is a thing of beauty while the Tesla 3 looks like someone incompetent tried to copy it.

    Very few crossovers look good to me, and all SUVs look ridiculous.

  75. sam says:

    Trump’s Nuremderp rallies might not be working out for him. And insult to injury, Obama’s trolling him.

  76. flat earth luddite says:

    Oooohhhhhhh… well played! Two thoughts come to mind:

    (from my grandmother): From beyond the blue line… he shoots… he scores!
    (from a bumper sticker years ago):
    big letters: JESUS SAVES
    little letters below: Gretzky gets the puck. He shoots. HE SCORES!!!!

  77. JohnSF says:

    Well, the current Honda Civics can be bit wild (OK, I grant you that is the Type R LOL)
    Interestingly, Honda (like a lot of Japanese brands) have cut their UK/Europe ranges: Accord no longer sold here;
    Toyota don’t sell the Avalon.
    Acura not on sale at all.
    Infinti rare as hen’s teeth and apparently pulling out of Europe/UK.
    Lexus still offering a full range though.

  78. MarkedMan says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    That’s intentional in Japanese auto design.

    It HAS to be intentional. That kind of ugliness just doesn’t occur by accident.

  79. JohnSF says:

    @flat earth luddite:
    Old Liverpudlian joke from the early 70’s:
    “Jesus saves. But St.John scores on the rebound.”

  80. MarkedMan says:


    Well, the current Honda Civics can be bit wild

    I’ve been wondering about that. I normally just complain about the hideous grills but what is it with those… faux vents? pretend fog lamps?… whatever those things are underneath the headlights. They get bigger every year and as far as I know serve no purpose. Unless it’s to make them more resemble a transformer? I’m only half kidding….

  81. Sleeping Dog says:


    Yes, this is the Chris Bangle effect. Bangle recognized that the need for gas mileage, performance and low emissions would mean that all mainstream cars, i.e. most everything but the exotic sports cars and Rolls and Bentley, would have jelly bean shapes and that would make them pretty indistinguishable. He drew on the concept of surface interest to differentiate cars. Think the flame surfacing, arched brows on headlamps and the infamous Bangle butt. The others were a matter of taste, but the Bangle butt was truly hideous, but it is a feature of every sedan made today. We’ve become used to it.

    The guns lit side windows are the result of safety standards as is the tall hoods (bonnet to you) for pedestrian safety.

    Agreed on the Mazda 3 and it is a relatively cheap car.

  82. charon says:


    The rallies befit the showman with roots in reality television: blaring music, slick production, video montages, warm-up speeches, Air Force One as a backdrop and the president himself as the headline attraction. Attendees erupt in screams and cheers at his arrival, and local Republicans say it’s unlike any political event they’ve seen.

    Like when the older ones were young and screaming for Frank Sinatra.

    Meanwhile: Early voting, 18 to 29

  83. JohnSF says:

    The last car my father had was a 2005(?) model Mazda 6 2.0 auto. Had it up to 2012.
    Nice design inside and out, and a great long distance cruiser; shared driving it to/from southern France several times, a proper Autoroute eater.
    Thing was, father was a long-time UK motor industry guy (Rootes/ChryslerUK; then BL/AustinRover).
    When asked why not a British car, his answer “Their motability* terms are rubbish; and this is a damn good car for my money.”
    We had several experiences of Austin products suffering failures in France; once ended up getting from Oreans back to home on a breakdown truck. LOL.
    As dad said, “Loyalty is one thing, bloody stupid is another.”
    (*”motability” = UK scheme for disabled drivers which Dad qualified for as a wounded ex-services)

  84. dazedandconfused says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Nissan (Datsun)’s cribbing goes back a step further. When they made the 1600/2000 series sports cars. Put one on a rack next to an MB Midget of that era and you can’t see a difference in the frame…because there isn’t. Dead copy.

    Nissan thought “We want to build a sports car…Let’s copy the British!”
    Predictably, within a couple years:
    “Oopsies… Let’s copy the Germans!”

  85. Kathy says:

    I’m wondering what kind of havoc lame duck Trump will wreak once he’s done holding his breath and shouting fraud.

    I expect there won’t be any COVID relief bill while his term lasts. Past that, it’s his last and only chance to seek vengeance against his many enemies. He’ll try something, I’m sure of it.

  86. JohnSF says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Yes, once heard it referred to as “full-bangle versus half-bangle; never go full bangle.”
    BMW 1-series: “the saggy bottom boy” LOL.

    Yep “flame surfacing” or variation on it common in 21’st century Euro design cars: last generation of Focus and Fiesta; most Peugeots and Renaults; Opel/Vauxhall; a lot of German designs.
    Skoda and Volvo are rather more restrained (new Volvo V90 is a lovely bit of design)
    Oh, and my current car also definitely “flame” style influence, if not exactly brand new LOL.

  87. JohnSF says:

    @Sleeping Dog:
    Yes, once heard it referred to as “full-bangle versus half-bangle; never go full bangle.”
    BMW 1-series: “the saggy bottom boy” LOL.

    Yep “flame surfacing” or variation on it common in 21’st century Euro design cars: last generation of Focus and Fiesta; most Peugeots and Renaults; Opel/Vauxhall; a lot of German designs.

    Skoda and Volvo are rather more restrained (new Volvo V90 is a lovely bit of design)
    Oh, and my current car also definitely “flame” style influence, if not exactly brand new LOL.

    The bigger Japanese firms have just gone full manga on the approach!

  88. Michael Cain says:

    @Sleeping Dog:

    The others were a matter of taste, but the Bangle butt was truly hideous, but it is a feature of every sedan made today. We’ve become used to it.

    My understanding is that when you optimize sedan aerodynamics, combined with moving the wheels as close to the corners of the body as you can, you always end up with some version of the Bangle butt. IIRC, a good deal of it is creating high pressure zones in exactly the right places.

  89. JohnSF says:

    Interesting article over at FiveThirtyEight on state races and possible impact on redistricting.

    On related topic, I remember reading a couple of years back, an ex-Republican “neverTrumper” arguing that a major problem for Democrats was that in “off years” they often fell back on state parties that were often hopeless disorganized, and failed to redirect campaign effort and money from at a national level from “safe” states to “winnables”.
    Argument was that, even setting aside House gerrymandering, the state level was vital for building the machines for slowly grinding away to build a platform for senate and gubernatorial races.
    Quote something like: “Winning states is like going broke: slowly, then completely.”

  90. JohnSF says:

    Hmm. Looks like the edit functionality has developed a mind of its own again.
    Why there are two versions of an earlier post, heaven knows.

  91. JohnSF says:

    @Michael Cain:
    IIRC a higher plane for the boot lid, a shorter boot overall, and a curved “fall away” at the rear, helps aerodynamics; but full bangle-ing is not necessarily required.

    Interesting thing is, in UK/Europe, booted saloons are now a niche product for the “business driver” (aka “executive” market); hatchbacks have dominated the personal/family vehicle market since the 1980’s. And they don’t need such tricks; tend to be inherently more aerodynamic.

    And they are now being challenged by a growing shift to SUV’s, for a variety of weird reasons IMHO.

  92. Teve says:

    Jesus Christ. Here in North Florida friends are posting Facebook comments they’re getting about Barrett’s nomination, stuff like “finally Jesus is going to be represented in our laws.”

    When I was young I made some shitty decisions and got some bad items on my record. Nothing too horrible, just dumb. I can’t even go to Canada without special permission. But if things had been different you can bet your ass I’d be looking at changes of location.

  93. Kathy says:

    I’m about to finish the Picard prequel book (audio book). If anyone’s interested, you probably already know most of what’s in it, as it was covered in season 1, but you get to find out how it happens. For instance, you get to read about Picard’s first meeting with the fighting nuns and Elnor.

    So, it was worth taking a break from the more serious stuff like ancient religions and cult practices lectures.

    What I wonder now is 1) what will season 2 of Picard be about? 2) when will it film (never mind air)?, and 3) how long can they keep it up? Sir Patrick is 80 years old.

  94. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: I was hoping that she might have been tooling around in her sporty little T-bird, but even that wouldn’t have been possible until 1955. I guess she could have been tooling around in this, though. Kinda sporty, anyway.

  95. CSK says:

    In my experience, FWIW, people who say “finally Jesus will be represented in the law” tend to be fundamentalist Protestants. Are they okay with Barrett being a Papist?

  96. CSK says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Looks like a topless tank.

  97. JohnSF says:

    I think it’s sort of like the “no enemies on the left” thing Communists* used to come out with (when it suited them).
    Evangelical fundis, “more-Catholic-than-the-pope” Catholics, Jewish ultra-Orthodox, all will be one big happy family, battling the evil secular humanists!
    Of course, once they are taken care of…{whets knife, hefts club}

    * In the words Labour politician of my grandfathers acquaintance: “No enemies on the left, my arse.”

  98. Kylopod says:

    @JohnSF: I think of it as a Hitler-and-Japan situation. Barrett is an honorary Aryan.

  99. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @MarkedMan: This is why I came to the conclusion that money itself is devoid of moral content. There’s no good or bad money (although there may be honest and dishonest people associated with some funds); it’s all simply funds. I don’t care where it came from nor do I care about the motivations of the donors. It all spends equally well.

    I will and do make an exception with regard to stolen money, but that’s a matter of law not morality. I still don’t actually care, but I also don’t want to be identified as an accessory.

  100. Teve says:

    @CSK: I imagine ‘Bortion overrides sectarian disputes.

  101. Just nutha ignint cracker says:
  102. Gustopher says:

    @Mister Bluster: Steinbeck had off days, and weird little moments that don’t really matter and just feel out of place.

    For every moment like this there are three or four that just don’t quite pan out, but which have an odd folksy charm.

    Doc walked angrily to the counter of the stand.

    The waitress, a blond beauty with just the hint of a goiter, smiled at him. “What’ll it be?”

    “Beer milk shake,” said Doc.


    Well here it was and what the hell. Might just as well get it over with now as some time later.

    The blond asked, “Are you kidding?”

    Doc knew wearily that he couldn’t explain, couldn’t tell the truth. “I’ve got a bladder complaint,” he said. “Bipalychaetorsonechtomy the doctors call it. I’m supposed to drink a beer milk shake. Doctor’s orders.”

    The blonde smiled reassuringly. “Oh! I thought you were kidding,” she said archly. “You tell me how to make it. I didn’t know you was sick.”

    “Very sick,” said Doc, “and due to be sicker. Put in some milk, and add half a bottle of beer. Give me the other half in a glass — no sugar in the milk shake.” When she served it, he tasted it wryly. And it wasn’t so bad — it just tasted like stale beer and milk.

    “It sounds awful,” said the blonde.

    “It’s not so bad when you get used to it,” said Doc. “I’ve been drinking it for seventeen years.”

  103. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Teve: I’ve often noted to the type of person who believes that the market can provide everything that we need that there wouldn’t even be culverts to drain our dirt roads if we waited for the market to see the need for them.

  104. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Northerner: Dude, that’s gonna leave a mark. 😀

  105. JohnSF says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Perhaps. But OTOH around 1952(ish) my father owned one of these: Riley
    I’d rate it as pretty sporty even today…(though even a basic modern hatchback could probably out-drag it, LOL.)
    Not in the same league as a 1952 F212, mind you.

  106. Gustopher says:


    Signs with these sayings are popping up:

    In This House
    We Believe:
    Black Lives Matter
    No Human Is Illegal
    Love is Love
    Women’s Rights Are Human Right
    Science is Real

    Those signs are everywhere in a few parts of Seattle. Particularly the wealthy white neighborhoods.

    I’ve been considering getting some of those signs, crossing out one of the lines, and putting them all over one of those upper-middle-class performatively-woke suburbs. Get people outraged that somewhere there is someone who only agrees with them 80%.

    I just can’t pick which line.

    I guess the alternative is just to add a line, either of something insane like “Q Loves Pizza” and leaving it visible, or something boring and crossing it out so thoroughly you can’t tell what is under it so people will try to figure out what was objectionable.

    I had the idea in the Before Times, while sitting in a bar, while people were discussing the horror of some political sign that was too inclusive, it was an admirable sentiment but maybe not in this neighborhood.

  107. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: No, not even. I’ve had goldfish. A goldfish is far and away more likely to understand calculus than Trump is to acknowledge and obey a law.

  108. JohnSF says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:
    Also, they are more demure.
    I once asked a goldfish owner, why does this fish keep hiding under the lily pads?
    He replied, well it’s just a bit koi.

  109. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @CSK: Yeah. I lost track of when it happened–I went to Lutheran from evangelical nondenominational in the early 80s–but at some point being a Catholic no longer had the stigma that it’d had in the past. There was even a shift in end-times prophecy teaching in that “The Whore of Babylon” started being left out. The political shifts involving needing Catholic support for anti-abortion politics had some bearing as I recall, though.

    Same thing happened for Mormons. When Falwell decided he wanted/needed Mormon support, the whole “Mormonism is a big Satanic cult” thing dropped out of sight almost completely.

  110. MarkedMan says:

    @JohnSF: that f212 is just beautiful. I just don’t understand how two designers can take the same dimensions and equipment and one comes up with a dud and the other comes out with something like that. Can’t do it myself but I’m glad someone can.

  111. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @JohnSF: Yeah. That Riley is definitely a nice looking car. As is the Ferrari, but for my interest, hard top sports cars are just wrong. The Mustang was a nice looking car, but only the convertible was worth owning in my book.

  112. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @JohnSF: Hee hee. 😀

  113. Flat earth luddite says:

    Sorry, I prefer my idea. Take the signs, put a red circle with a diagonal over it all, AND THEN PUT THEM BACK.

    But then again, money aside, this is why I can’t live on queen Anne or magnolia any more, even if I could afford it.

  114. Flat earth luddite says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    No no no, laws are for losers, not BIGLEY winners like Trump