Palin Resigning as Governor

Sarah Palin has announced that, not only will she not seek re-election as governor of Alaska in 2010 but that she is resigning her office later this month.   Andrew Hinkelman and Lori Tipton for KTUU:

Gov. Sarah Palin will resign her office in a few weeks, she said during a news conference at her Wasilla home Friday morning. Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will be inaugurated at the Governor’s Picnic at Pioneer Park in Fairbanks on Saturday, July 25, Palin said.

There was no immediate word as to why she will resign, though speculation has been rampant that the former vice presidential candidate is gearing up for a run at the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

I’m not sure who her political brain trust is but the idea that resigning as governor — the only significant political office she’s had — after only two years will improve her chances of getting elected president is, to say the least, unconventional.

WaPo’s Paul Volpe reports, “Palin’s decision comes amid polling that showed her losing altitude from the stratospheric heights to which she ascended following her election in 2006 but remained a strong favorite to win reelection.”

He points to a Chris Cillizza piece from a month back arguing Palin would be wise not to seek reelection because Alaska is a long way from the key primary states and it’s not a great time to be governor right now, anyway, because of the economic climate. Fair enough.  For most serious presidential contenders, it may well be better to spend more time raising money, building an organization, and eating pancakes in Iowa and New Hampshire.

But Palin’s not an ordinary presidential aspirant in that she’s got essentially no experience.  True, that didn’t seem to stop Barack Obama.  But he’s sui generis and came out of the gates giving the impression he had at least thought deeply about the major national and international issues presidents would deal with.  Fairly or not, Palin lost that presumption almost immediately upon her debut on the national stage.  Without a governorship as a platform for demonstrating competence, I’m not sure how she rebrands herself.

UPDATE: Well, the combination of breaking news, Palin’s pop culture icon status, and a slow news day have made this one of the biggest political stories in some time.  As of 6 am, this post already has 50 comments and Memeorandum is going nuts.  See a screencap here; it’s too big to embed in a post.

Nor, half a day later, are we any closer to unraveling this mystery.

The near-universal consensus is that her resignation speech was simply godawful. Watch it if you haven’t already:


Sarah Palin Full Resignation Speech

Ed Morrissey believes, as do I, that “it simply can’t be rationalized on the basis of what Palin said today.  It’s easily the most bizarre resignation I’ve seen, and just about senseless.”

A few lefty blogs are peddling thinly sourced rumors of an “iceberg scandal” involving pending federal indictment over alleged embezzlement involving a  sports complex in Wasilla.

Mark Halperin offers “10 Possible reasons for Palin’s decision,” all of which are necessarily speculative.

1. Her political standing has slipped enough that she could have lost a re-election bid if she tried to retain her current office.

2. Her political standing has slipped enough that even if she had run and won, she would have likely been bloodied in the race, maybe even in a primary.

Richard Nixon was elected president in 1968 after having lost a bid as California governor in 1962 and for president in 1960.  Mitt Romney was a serious contender for the 2008 GOP nomination despite deciding not to run for re-election because he would have lost.  Neither, however, resigned after only two years in their only significant office.

3. Even more ethics complaints (many frivolous) would have been filed against her.

So?

4. She’s got a book to write.

And, I guess, having people think you’re weird sells books.

5. She’s got a special needs baby to raise.

But she had a special needs baby to raise when she was seeking the vice presidency. And, for that matter, if that’s her rationale, why not say so?  People would be sympathetic.

6. It is logistically impossible to run for president as the sitting governor of Alaska — because of flight times. (Not hard: *impossible*)

Already noted by Cillizza and reasonable enough.  But Alaska hasn’t moved all that much in the last two years.

7. She couldn’t truly explore her money-making potential as an incumbent governor.

8. She couldn’t truly explore her media potential as an incumbent governor.

Both true.  Maybe she’s realized she’s a pretty good pop culture celebrity and she should just be the best pop culture celebrity she can be?  Sort of a middle-aged Britney Spears.

9. The legislature has turned so much against her that the job wasn’t much fun any more.

Wah.

10. If she wants to be the Republican Party’s presidential nominee in 2012, she needs to spend more time raising money, establishing her international and national expertise, and traveling the Lower 48. And she needs to start now.

I’d say she needed to start about twenty years ago.  But sure.

In fairness, though, Bill Kristol thinks it’s a good idea.  And he’s seldom wrong.  Oh, wait.

If Palin wants to run in 2012, why not do exactly what she announced today? It’s an enormous gamble – but it could be a shrewd one.

After all, she’s freeing herself from the duties of the governorship. Now she can do her book, give speeches, travel the country and the world, campaign for others, meet people, get more educated on the issues – and without being criticized for neglecting her duties in Alaska. I suppose she’ll take a hit for leaving the governorship early – but how much of one? She’s probably accomplished most of what she was going to get done as governor, and is leaving a sympatico lieutenant governor in charge.

And haven’t conservatives been lamenting the lack of a national leader? Well, now she’ll try to be that. She may not succeed. Everything rests on her talents, and on her performance. She’ll be under intense and hostile scrutiny, and she’ll have to perform well.

That’s essentially a long form version of Halperin’s 10th reason.

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Comments

  1. CNN just showed the tape.

    You have GOT to see the tape.

    Here’s my theory: Obama has a Crazy Ray he beams at potential GOP candidates.

    What a freaking loon.




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  2. Tlaloc says:

    So seems like the only two realistic options are that she’s facing some kind of indictment out of the blue or she’s giving up politics to transition the rest of the way into a TV celebrity. I can’t think of anything else that makes any sense.

    Of the two I’d guess the latter.




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  3. Ja'far says:

    From my following of Palin I think her “political brain trust” is limited to herself and those who agree with her. I just don’t see her functioning like that on a national level.




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  4. JKB says:

    James,

    You announce Palin a pop celebrity, she dominates your blog for a day or so and now this? OTB seems to be getting to influential?




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  5. odograph says:

    I saw the tape playing and popped in to see what ideas you guys had. For what it’s worth, the best I could come up with was the same as Tlaloc … there is money to be made with a radio or tv show. Even if that populist path didn’t lead to higher office, it would be good enough to bank a few millions.




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  6. Furhead says:

    Tlaloc – I see some hint of an “iceberg scandal” in the HuffPost article. I have no idea what that means. Perhaps a recipe called for arugula?




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  7. I don’t get it either. Very strange.




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  8. just me says:

    Well I am in the “money involved” camp.

    I don’t see how anyone thinks 2 years as a governor without finishing the first term makes one ready for the presidency. Had she finished the term, run for another office and won or some such, I could see her being at least somewhat politically viable.

    I don’t see how being a quitter does anything for her political career-especially when it needs a lot of work for her to be a viable candidate.

    I think she got a better deal, and one that comes with dollars involved. I could see her enjoying being a talking head of some sort.




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  9. An Interested Party says:

    So…would anyone care to stand by his/her prediction that Palin will somehow be involved in the presidential race in 2012 or another one in the future…




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  10. Anderson says:

    Her base didn’t care about her lack of qualifications before — they won’t start now.

    Free from her onerous gubernatorial duties, she can take up permanent residence in Iowa, weekending in New Hampshire.

    In a sane country, she’d be toast, but then, in a sane country, she wouldn’t have been a major-party veep candidate last year, either.




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  11. Palin and Sanford are coming together to form a new political party: The WTF party.

    It’ll be Palin, Sanford, Joe the Plumber, Bunning, a few other GOP luminaries.




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  12. Janis Gore says:

    Now that’s a good picture. Reminds me of a young Linda Ellerbee.




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  13. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Any of you writers here actually listen to what she had to say? Guess not. Otherwise the BS would be much less stinky. What I watched was not a woman who is or was afraid. What I saw was the beginning of Presidential campaign. And she is much better looking than any of you.




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  14. An Interested Party says:

    What I saw was the beginning of Presidential campaign. And she is much better looking than any of you.

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…tell us,Zelsdorf, what brand of paint thinner have you huffed today…I guess the poor man has a really bad case of the little starbursts




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  15. Phil Smith says:

    She’s not running for anything, she’s going back on the other side of the camera.




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  16. Furhead says:

    I just watched what she said, and frankly it’s a little strange. Yeah, technically one becomes a lame duck when announcing that they aren’t running for re-election, but did people really elect her to serve out 60% of her term?

    So let’s for fun say she got elected President in 2012 and then again in 2016. Well technically she instantly becomes a lame duck because of term limits. So does she just quit immediately upon the commencement of her second term?

    Sorry, if there was any chance at the Presidency, she just gave it up. Bizarre behavior may go over fine with her biggest fans, but you need at least *some* moderate voters to get elected to national office.




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  17. Herb says:

    If Zeldorf is right, this is the beginning of a losing Presidential campaign.

    I think it’s more likely that she’s done with politics.




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  18. Patrick T McGuire says:

    Damn! What is Andrew Sullivan going to write about now?




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  19. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III says:

    Herb, I have a nice recipe for a pie you are going to need to get to like. It is called humble. I had a chunk when the Kenyan won the election for President. I will send it to you. The only reason McCain got as many votes as he got was because of her. Just conceal yourself and observe. (hide and watch) This will amaze you. You are going to see what happens when an honest person with values articulates those values to the American people. The only people who will vote for Obama in the next election are card carrying communists and ACORNs not imprisoned.




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  20. An Interested Party says:

    While eating some pie, let’s sing a song…

    Your story, sad to tell,
    A former beauty queen ne’er do well,
    Most mixed up non-delinquent on the block!
    Your future’s so unclear now,
    What’s left of your career now?
    Can’t even get a trade in on your smile!

    Angels: (La lalala lalala lalala…)

    Alaska Governor dropout,
    No presidential campaign for you.
    Alaska Governor dropout,
    Missed your studying up but at least you used the right shampoo!
    Well at least you could have taken time, to wash and clean your image up,
    After spending all that dough to have the GOP fix your wardrobe up!

    Baby get moving (Baby get movin’),
    Why keep your feeble hopes alive?
    What are you proving (What are you provin’)?
    You’ve got the dream but not the drive.

    If you go for the presidency, you will just look like a fool.
    Turn in your running shoes and go back to high school!

    Alaska Governor dropout (Alaska Governor dropout),
    Hanging around the Wasilla corner store.
    Alaska Governor dropout (Alaska Governor dropout),
    It’s about time you knew the score.

    Well they couldn’t teach you anything,
    You think you’re such a looker,
    But nobody wants their president to be a mooker!

    Baby don’t sweat it (Don’t sweat it),
    You’re not cut out to hold the job.
    Better forget it (Forget it),
    Who wants their country run by an anti-intellectual snob?

    Now your bangs are curled, your lashes whirled, but still the world is cruel.
    Wipe off that angel face and go back to high school!

    Baby don’t blow it,
    Don’t put my good advice to shame.
    Baby you know it,
    Even Dear Abby’d say the same!

    Now I’ve called the shot, get off the block, I really gotta fly!
    Gotta be going to that presidential library in the sky!

    Alaska Governor dropout (Alaska Governor dropout)
    Go back to high school
    Alaska Governor dropout (Alaska Governor dropout)
    Go back to high school
    Alaska Governor dropout (Alaska Governor dropout)
    Go back to high school




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  21. TangoMan says:

    But Palin’s not an ordinary presidential aspirant in that she’s got essentially no experience.

    There’s no nuance to this bit of analysis you offer.

    What type of experience is it that counts? Experience at “business as usual” or experience at “good governance” for we see Obama as the posterboy of “business as usual” and with Palin we see a lengthy record of good governance.

    It it experience or accomplishments that matter most? She ran on a specific platform of cleaning out government corruption. She had a record as a reformer before being elected governor, and has maintained that record, and since her time in office she has created a Petroleum Integrity Office, brought the AGIA Pipeline to fruitition, she very responsibly managed state finances, she brought in ethics reform, etc.

    -Her efforts at governing in the spirit of her political ideology are hampered by the antics of the “business as usual” crowd.

    -While President Obama is the posterboy for politics done the “Chicago-way” it seems that Governor Palin is the postergirl for politics done the “Alaska-way,” that is, out with the old corrupt system and in with her reforms designed to deliver clean government. Contrast her turning down a pay raise with the “business as usual” antics in California, where the politicians made sure that they qualified for cash payments while others, those not in the loop, are made to be the unwilling recipients of IOUs.

    From her statement today:

    Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law I championed became their weapon of choice. Over the past nine months I’ve been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations — such as holding a fish in a photograph, wearing a jacket with a logo on it, and answering reporters’ questions.

    Every one — all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We’ve won! But it hasn’t been cheap – the State has wasted THOUSANDS of hours of YOUR time and shelled out some two million of YOUR dollars to respond to “opposition research” — that’s money NOT going to fund teachers or troopers — or safer roads. And this political absurdity, the “politics of personal destruction” … Todd and I are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn’t cost them a dime so they’re not going to stop draining public resources — spending other peoples’ money in their game.

    It’s pretty insane — my staff and I spend most of our day dealing with THIS instead of progressing our state now. I know I promised no more “politics as usual,” but THIS isn’t what anyone had in mind for ALASKA.

    If she seeks higher office she can stand on her accomplishments, which are major, and the utility of an additional 16 months of office in which the majority of her time is wasted dealing with frivolous attacks that consume state resources and staff time as well as imposing significant financial costs on her, well, the marginal gain is pretty minuscule. As for the symbolism of finishing the term in office, she can now counter that loss of symbolism with the symbolic retort of doing what’s best for the people instead of what’s best for her own career.

    Governor Palin can stand on her record of accomplishments, and on this point, she clearly trumps what Candidate Obama had to offer the nation, which was his experience as a community organizer, and time served voting present in the Illinois Legislature while achieving nothing of note during his “experience.” Further, she can point to a record of integrity which by comparison puts the Obama sleaze in the spotlight. Further still, she can offer future voters, if that’s in the plan, a choice between governance efforts designed to serve the public interest and governance efforts designed to not let a crisis go to waste. Plenty of people hunger for a governance model that isn’t modeled on the “Chicago-way.”




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  22. An Interested Party says:

    Ahh…dead-enders NEVER lose hope…




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  23. TangoMan says:

    So…would anyone care to stand by his/her prediction that Palin will somehow be involved in the presidential race in 2012 or another one in the future…

    Sure, I will. As per my comment above, I, and I suspect many others, can see the difference between a record of accomplishment and the kabuki theater of punching clock in order to gain experience.

    President Obama punched a clock in the Illinois and US Senates and accomplished little of note. President Eisenhower never held elected office prior to winning the Presidency, so his political experience was less than that of President Obama, but his record of accomplishment prior to assuming office was far greater.

    Governor Palin now has the opportunity to stand on her record of accomplishment, and if a political career is still in her future, she can create more value with her time acting outside of the Governor’s office than she could from within while being distracted with all of the liberal sniping on frivolous ethics complaints that had the potential to personally bankrupt her if they continued apace for the next 16 months of her term.

    What matters is her record of accomplishment, not the kabuki theater of ineffective time served punching a clock in elective office.




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  24. Herb says:

    Proposal: People who have no experience or knowledge of “kabuki theater” should refrain from using it metaphorically.

    Especially if they’re writing press releases for Sarah Palin. Because this:

    Governor Palin now has the opportunity to stand on her record of accomplishment, and if a political career is still in her future, she can create more value with her time acting outside of the Governor’s office than she could from within while being distracted with all of the liberal sniping on frivolous ethics complaints that had the potential to personally bankrupt her if they continued apace for the next 16 months of her term.

    is either poorly disguised PR…or delusion.

    Sarah Palin is the only Republican governor who can’t govern because of “liberal sniping?”

    She’s going to stand on her record of accomplishment? She’s a quitter. What record of accomplishment?




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  25. An Interested Party says:

    So much for that meme that Palin actually helped McCain get more votes than he otherwise would have gotten…sure she helped him with the conservative base of the party, but with moderates and independents? Not so much…




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  26. odograph says:

    Comment Twenty Six, in which Odo throws a foreign link into the poll.




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  27. Pug says:

    The bombshell is yet to come. This is a surprise but the reason behind it will be the real bombshell.

    We won’t have to wait long. I’m thinkging something big on Miss Sarah is about to explode. That’s the only way this makes any sense.

    I’m predicting that before too long we will all by saying, “Ahh…now it makes sense”.




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  28. TangoMan says:

    Sarah Palin is the only Republican governor who can’t govern because of “liberal sniping?”

    It’s not a matter of not being able to govern, it’s a matter of being able to govern effectively.

    Should a governor be paid a salary of $2,000,000 per year? In terms of wise use of government resources, what’s the difference between paying the Governor $2 million per year and the State spending $2 million per year defending the Governor from frivolous claims?

    Should a Governor’s workday, by statute, only be, let’s say 5 hours long? What’s the difference between a Governor working only 5 hours per day or 8 hours per day with 3 of those hours devoted to dealing with frivolous claims?

    Should a Governor have to pay the State $500,000 per year for the privilege of being Governor? What’s the difference between requiring a Governor to pay in order to serve and subjecting them to $500,000 in personal legal bills required to defend themselves against frivolous claims that arise simply from occupying the Governorship?

    Governor Palin’s effectiveness is diminished as she serves in office, or so she believes, and evidently her plan is to accomplish goals outside of the Governor’s office where she doesn’t have to contend with wasting her time on frivolous battles and as a result the interests of the State are advanced because deranged liberals won’t have as prominent a target.

    If Palin is pursuing a future in politics, then the question is whether Palin’s strategy will succeed and that is a question that only time will answer. Writing her off at this point, especially in light of the career trajectory that a recent racial agitator rode into the White House, is very premature. This frees her to build a network, to get before the people and make her case, etc. Look how early Obama started his campaign for the Presidency – his was probably one of the earliest starts in history, was it not?

    If Palin partially follows a Reagan path, where he toured the nation as a GE spokesman and got a lot of face time in front of many audiences, then she can be dealing with more politically neutral local media who won’t distort or filter her message.

    There is a traditional narrative to running for high political office, but Palin broke that mold in her run for the Governorship, and in her selection for VP, and if she aspires to a different office, then she looks to be breaking the mold once again. Just because there is a traditional narrative doesn’t imply that there can be no others. One President won office by pointing to his military leadership in WWII while another pointed to his time served as a racial agitator. It’s certainly possible that Governor Palin could craft an alternative path to higher office by creating a compelling narrative and selling that narrative to audiences who come to agree with her after being exposed to the narrative. That’s certainly not out of the question and people who claim it is are speaking with a certainty that is little more than wishful thinking.




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  29. bystander says:

    We don’t need no stinking candidate who takes the high moral ground while telling the people to tough it out ’til things turn around. We don’t want things to turn around – that would lead us back to the ‘Ozzie and Harriet’ idealism that our grandparents sought after and made our country way more prosperous than the rest of the world.

    NO! We want our Nanny State, and Obama’s and his filibuster-proof minions are going to make sure we get what we want! A chicken in every pot, a Federal Motors car in every garage, and a government prescription card in every pocket.

    Keep Palin out of D.C. She’ll ruin everything!




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  30. lunacy says:

    I’m not a huge Palin fan but all you folks who quip about her lack of experience must see the irony in that it was your man Barack who lowered the bar of experience required to be the president of these United States.

    Does nearly 200 days of duty as senator qualify one to be president? Apparently so. In my opinion, 2 years as governor trumps 170 some odd days as senator.




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  31. TangoMan says:

    If Governor Palin is running for a 2012 nomination, then she can benefit from the “Obama Ploy.” She can spend the next 3 years criticizing President Obama in the same manner than Senator Obama criticized President Bush, that is, she can campaign fulltime while President Obama was to actually, you know, govern. President Obama can’t effectively engage against those who start their campaigns very early in that the public won’t stand for President Obama embarking on a fulltime reelection campaign only 6 months into his term of office. By default he cedes ground to his opponents.

    Now normally, most opponents in the beginning of a campaign are the little dwarfs when they run against an incumbent President and only achieve comparable stature as they rise through the primary process, but for good or bad, Governor Palin already outshines her Republican contemporaries and thus poses a more threatening challenge to President Obama. If she starts campaigning, critiquing, fundraising, coalition building, etc then she will get more media coverage than Pawlenty or Cantor or Romney, etc.

    If Governor Palin is running for 2012, then 3 years is plenty long enough to reshape the image that the media saddled her with, whether earned or unearned. Meanwhile, President Obama becomes the scapegoat for everything that happens on his watch and 2012 becomes a referendum on his governance, or lack thereof.




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  32. Ron says:

    More information on “grassroots” supporters gathering across the nation to support Sarah Palin for President in 2012 can be found online at http://www.palin4pres2012.com

    Note, the website is in danger of crashing due to the flood of readers and supporters signing up to show their interest in a Palin Candidacy. The GOP establishment had better watch out, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul combined with the power of the internet will remove the stranglehold of GOP special interests and the elites who have brought the party to its knees in defeat in the 2008 elections.




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  33. TangoMan says:

    I don’t see how being a quitter does anything for her political career-especially when it needs a lot of work for her to be a viable candidate.

    Senator Obama elected to Senate in Nov. 2004 and was due to run for reelection in Nov. 2010. To the best of my research skills it appears to me that he quit the Senate and is now ensconced in some other office. His being a quitter, not to mention a shirker of responsibility (he was elected to the office and shirked that responsibility in order to run for President) doesn’t seem to have hurt his political career. Frankly, I haven’t heard anyone accuse him of being a quitter nor a shirker.




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  34. An Interested Party says:

    Does nearly 200 days of duty as senator qualify one to be president? Apparently so. In my opinion, 2 years as governor trumps 170 some odd days as senator.

    A specious argument, as the president had more experience in his past than merely “170 some odd days as senator”…

    As for her “speech”…oy, what a train wreck…it makes Nancy Pelosi’s mess of a press conference about the CIA seem statesman-like by comparison…amazing that there are any people out there who have witnessed this spectacle and still think she has a viable political future? Speaking of the president, perhaps she should have asked to borrow his teleprompter…it certainly couldn’t have made her “speech” any worse…




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  35. anjin-san says:

    Clearly it is the fault of the media that Palin was not able to articulate what newspapers she reads and generally babbled her way through softball interviews…

    he was elected to the office and shirked that responsibility in order to run for President

    You mean he did exactly the same thing that McCain and Palin did? Wow, gotcha!




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  36. laura says:

    “the State has wasted THOUSANDS of hours of YOUR time and shelled out some two million of YOUR dollars to respond to “opposition research” — that’s money NOT going to fund teachers or troopers — or safer roads.”

    The biggest ethics investigation was one she filed against herself.

    The cost to the state is in the thousands (around one hundred thousand, I think), not the millions, and the bulk of that related to the filing she made.

    She has been a spectacularly ineffective governor and has lost the support of many of the Republicans in the Alaska legislature. Problems include high absenteeism, failure to do the routine work of governing, too much time spent on personal vendettas, and bad appointments.




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  37. anjin-san says:

    I guess turning your back on the responsibilities of an office that you asked American citizens to elect you to and were subsequently entrusted with is a fine way to celebrate the 4th in the wacky alternate universe that “conservatives” occupy…

    “I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Alaska, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as Governor to the best of my ability

    Did she have her fingers crossed? You betcha!




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  38. UlyssesUnbound says:

    And after I had finally shaken off the tremors resulting from election-politics-withdrawal, this little story comes along. Looks like its back to rehab for me.

    A little late but…

    President Eisenhower never held elected office prior to winning the Presidency, so his political experience was less than that of President Obama, but his record of accomplishment prior to assuming office was far greater.

    I think the difference here being that President Eisenhower didn’t quit 2 years into World War II. If he had done that, I doubt all that non-political experience would’ve got him elected.




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  39. Eric Florack says:

    A specious argument, as the president had more experience in his past than merely “170 some odd days as senator”…

    Such as… what, exactly? “Community Organizer”?

    Pfffhhht.

    And yes, as a matter of fact, I’d say the chances are 60/40 she will in fact be tossing her hat in the ring. Wouldn’t it be odd, now, if after all the quips about ‘preparation’, including from Krauthammer, that’s exactly what she’s about?




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  40. Quietpc3400 says:

    Rather interesting coincidence that she’s resigning so soon after Sanford’s meltdown. I would bet a good sum of money that Todd’s also been caught “Hiking the Appalachian Trail”, and that it’s about to come out. So rather than face the media firestorm and additional collateral damage to the GOP after Sanford, she’s bailing now.

    Supporting evidence (by omission)

    – she said something like ‘I checked with the four most important people in my life, my four kids…’. Didn’t mention or even look at her husband once for the entire speech, even though he was standing nearby (with their daughter between them)
    – Looked to be on the verge of tears at several points during the speech. Made vague statement re:explaining the “Hell yeah” kid vote at some future point.




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  41. anjin-san says:

    Such as… what, exactly? “Community Organizer”?
    Pfffhhht.

    I can see why you are so filled with contempt. After all, what did he do with this experience? Oh yea, he organized the best run presedential campaign in history, proceeding to punk slap both the mighty Clinton & GOP campaign machines.

    Ah bitsy, it seems like only yesterday that you were telling us that Palin’s big win over Biden in their debate was the leading edge of a McCain landslide…




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  42. anjin-san says:

    The “experience” angle is given too much play. GHW Bush had the most relevant experience of any President in history, and he was a mediocre one termer. GW had extensive executive experience in a major state, and was the mother of all train wrecks as President.

    The difference between Obama and Palin has nothing to do with experience. Obama is a highly intelligent, thoughtful and educated person with natural leadership skills and a great deal of intellectual curiosity. Palin is a bubblehead. That is the difference.




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    You mean he did exactly the same thing that McCain and Palin did? Wow, gotcha!

    McCain is guilty of the charge, but Palin entered the campaign on August 29th, so she campaigned for 8 weeks compared to Obama’s long run, which officially commenced on February 10, 2007, but which was already in gear back in September, 2006, a scant 20 months after taking office in the Senate.

    I see no viable comparison between an 8 week involvement and a 26 month long campaign. I’d say that you’re engaging in false equivalence by attempting to tar Palin with the same brush used to paint Obama and McCain.

    The biggest ethics investigation was one she filed against herself.

    Which the text of the legislation actually encourages.

    She has been a spectacularly ineffective governor and has lost the support of many of the Republicans in the Alaska legislature. Problems include high absenteeism, failure to do the routine work of governing, too much time spent on personal vendettas, and bad appointments.

    On the contrary, she’s been an effective governor. She never had the support of the Republican leadership, considering that she came into office with a regard of having many of those politicians investigated, leading some to being criminally charged. I’m not sure where you’re getting the impression that she’s failing to do the routine work of governing, for she’s done a very good job on that front, she’s managed the State’s finances in an exemplary fashion, and she’s brought to fruition a pipeline deal that has eluded all of her predecessors in the Governor’s office. I’m not aware of her involvement in any personal vendettas. The nearest charge that could be misconstrued into a personal vendetta is her involvement in getting a bad cop, one who tazers children, drives drunk, and threatens to kill people, off the police force and her efforts to get the “cop network” to stop protecting their own when the evidence clearly points to malfeasance. Those are efforts directed at improving government transparency and reducing old-boy networks.




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    The difference between Obama and Palin has nothing to do with experience. Obama is a highly intelligent, thoughtful and educated person with natural leadership skills and a great deal of intellectual curiosity. Palin is a bubblehead. That is the difference.

    Thank you for this pearl of wisdom, wise anjin-san. Don’t overlook the fact that “intelligent” people are quite often very adept at coming up with excuses for why their beautifully constructed ideological schemes fall apart when they confront reality. A lessor mind would conclude that the scheme was faulty, but a fellow with an “intelligent” mind can convince himself that the scheme or policy was worthy except for X, Y, Z. Case in point, Marxists to this day, still claim that their ideology is just the prescription for the ills that befall our society and the trainwrecks of past Marxist policy implementations can be attributed to all sorts of factors that have no bearing whatsoever on the validity, and the beautiful elegance, of Marxism.




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  45. Gustopher says:

    Does anyone else see any similarities between this and Ross Perot pulling out of the 1992 Presidential Campaign because he was a stark raving loon?

    (Or was it 1996? Some crazy story about opposition parties trying to disrupt his daughter’s wedding with faked pictures of a lesbian relationship)

    Anyway, Palin’s news conference was bizarre. Almost meth-head bizarre towards the end, with the incredibly fast babbling and the belaboured breathing. And all about not taking responsibility for her actions — she’s resigning because of opposition research and the political climate, it’s everyone else’s fault that she isn’t completing her term.

    I hope that we have no seen the last of her in politics. If she is gone, who will I have left to hate?




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  46. I’m in the wondering WTF category myself. Maybe a Nixon Checkers moment?

    I wandered over to Memorandum to peruse the news. Perhaps there is something about Wasilla corruption. Maybe there is a family scandal. Maybe she is insane (um, define insane = someone that disagrees with you?). Maybe there is an alien mind control device. Maybe she is saying she doesn’t deserve the tabloid baloney (from sites like The Atlantic). Regardless, I don’t think enough attention is being paid to the assessments out of the West. East Coasters just don’t understand the time lag Alaskans live under (both time zone and travel time). East Coast media seem not to understand the straight forwardness of some of the West (Western American English). A Seattle news station reported

    Jerry McBeath, a veteran political science professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, called the pending resignation a “smart move,” both for Palin and the state.
    “Alaska is an isolated stage from which to operate if you want to figure in American national politics. I don’t know what she has in mind. Some TV show or some national radio show. There are opportunities for her, I’m sure.” ….

    Former Washington State GOP Chair and current Republican Strategist Chris Vance was surprised by the timing of the announcement.
    He believes the only reason Palin chose to do this now is to do something on a national stage.
    “I think geography plays a big role here, Sarah Palin wants to be a national politician and it’s very difficult to do that and get home to Juneau and do the job of Governor,” he said.

    Watching coverage, I saw folks “on the street” bitching that Palin got a fancy wardrobe at taxpayer expense (RNC did pay for a fancy wardrobe, not the taxpayer). Watching ABC Nightline News tonight I heard massive bias about how it was timed to avoid the news cycle (er, means the ABC staffers don’t get their weekend off?)

    As for me, I don’t know. Maybe Palin doesn’t know herself. We’re all guessing, but some won’t be satisfied unless Gov Palin is shown to be a degenerate or criminal of any sort. I have no doubt Palin Derangement Syndrome exists. I’m not a Palin fan but I just do not understand the loathing I see (possible underdog?).




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  47. Anjin-san obviously does not know the grievous insult he made to the US submarine force in this comment,

    The difference between Obama and Palin has nothing to do with experience. Obama is a highly intelligent, thoughtful and educated person with natural leadership skills and a great deal of intellectual curiosity. Palin is a bubblehead. That is the difference.

    I’m proud to be a bubblehead. I doubt Palin has met the requirements, due to Congressional restrictions on women in combat.

    [I’m guessing anjin-san didn’t know the term bubblehead is also a term for an elite group known for its well above average intelligence as proven by standardized tests. Got to love dual meanings – in this case meaning maintaining a bubble on a level] Maybe he is saying she is like the most famous bubblehead, Jimmy Carter, clueless and out of touch? I’m not sure what he means 🙂




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  48. TangoMan says:

    She has been a spectacularly ineffective governor and has lost the support of many of the Republicans in the Alaska legislature.

    Which faction of the Republicans in Alaska, those who are governing in coalition with the Democrats or the other faction that are sitting as Republicans?

    Why would some Republicans, in 2006, with 11 seats in the Alaska Senate compared to the Democrat’s 9 seats, enter into a coalition with the Democrats and shut out the remaining 5 Republicans?:

    Shortly after the 2006 November election, a bi-partisan coalition was announced between all nine senate Democrats and six [3] senate Republicans. Democrats chaired the Judiciary, Health, Education, & Social Services, Labor and Commerce, Community and Regional Affairs, and Transportation Committees, as well as co-chair the powerful Finance Committee. The senate Republicans in the coalition also had a co-chair for the Finance Committee (the minority Republicans were given only one seat on the committee), and chair the State Affairs, Resources, and Rules Committees [4].

    Because of the Republican split, the Democrats controlled a majority of committee chairmanships while Republicans in the governing coalition chaired the others.

    Keep in mind that some of the Republicans who hate Governor Palin are politicians like this fellow:

    That’s where Ruedrich was writing questionable e-mails — seeming to conduct GOP business on commission time, against ethical rules, and lobbying for the industry he was regulating.

    Palin talked to Ruedrich and the Murkowski administration about the situation, associates said, but nothing immediately changed.

    “She was just incredulous that even after being confronted, Randy Ruedrich wouldn’t stop sending e-mails from his computer,” said Patrick. “Nobody acknowledged any wrongdoing.”

    But after a few months, Ruedrich stepped down.

    Reporters were pressing Palin to speak out about the Ruedrich investigation, which continued after he left. The governor, who had appointed both of them, kept Palin in the dark about an investigation by the attorney general and told her to stay mum, according to reports at the time.

    The third member of the commission, Dan Seamount, said Palin started hearing accusations that she was part of a cover-up.

    “I think that really frustrated her,” Seamount said. “She was frustrated that the Murkowski administration would not say anything about it. So she quit.” . . .

    The investigation led to a settlement in which Ruedrich admitted to leaking confidential information to an energy company and conducting party business on the state’s time. He was fined $12,000, the largest civil fine levied in Alaska for an ethics case.

    Freed from her gag order, Palin set about restoring her name. She spoke out about how she tried to bring the complaints against Ruedrich to the attention of the governor’s office. Her reputation grew as a reformer.

    “She may have been thinking her political career was over, but she never dropped back into the shadows,” Patrick said. . . .

    Ruedrich, still Alaska GOP chairman, declined to comment on that point.

    I’m starting to see a repeating pattern of events forming up.

    Anyways, my point is that you have to be a little more clear with your accusation of Republicans hating her, for there are the Republicans that she took on for corruption and then there are the Republicans who agree with her. I mean really, have you ever heard of a party that wins the majority of seats in a state legislature deciding to fragment so that one faction can enter into a coalition with the Democrats? Of course a faction of the Republican Party in Alaska hates Governor Palin – they’re corrupt and Palin took them on. They support an alternative pipeline and are opposed to the pipeline deal that Palin shepherded because it doesn’t line their pockets as would the alternative pipeline, which would generate less revenue for the State.

    If Palin served out her term then Lt. Governor Parnell would simply be one on a number of contenders for the office and if he lost his campaign, then the chances of her legacy pipeline being canceled would increase. With Parnell now becoming the incumbent governor his chances for maintaining office after the next election improve and thus the likelihood of the pipeline surviving legislative battles also increases.

    If the pipeline becomes a tangible construction project in the 2010-2016 timeframe then Governor Palin has a substantive accomplishment to point to in future elections, an accomplishment which burnishes her energy qualifications. If the pipeline deal is quashed by the corrupt Republican establishment that she battled in Alaska, then she, and the nation, suffer significant losses.




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  49. G.A.Phillips says:

    I hope she runs for president, as in the bible, when the men are to weak to lead it won’t be the first time God has put a women in charge…..

    But on a less sad note, and as much as liberals like get their tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little rocks off on falsely personally attacking if not hypocritically or both, every who tries not to be a peace of dung in their life and family and country… I will leave with another question followed by a resource of Knowledge before I go to celebrate whats left of my nations Independence……

    Riddle me this donkey man…..why don’t stupid liberals ever listen…………




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  50. G.A.Phillips says:

    TO THOMAS PAINE.
    [Date uncertain.]

    DEAR SIR,

    I have read your manuscript with some attention. By the argument it contains against a particular Providence, though you allow a general Providence, you strike at the foundations of all religion. For without the belief of a Providence, that takes cognizance of, guards, and guides, and may favor particular persons, there is no motive to worship a Deity, to fear his displeasure, or to pray for his protection. I will not enter into any discussion of your principles, though you seem to desire it. At present I shall only give you my opinion, that, though your reasonings are subtile and may prevail with some readers, you will not succeed so as to change the general sentiments of mankind on that subject, and the consequence of printing this piece will be, a great deal of odium drawn upon yourself, mischief to you, and no benefit to others. He that spits against the wind, spits in his own face.

    But, were you to succeed, do you imagine any good would be done by it? You yourself may find it easy to live a virtuous life, without the assistance afforded by religion; you having a clear perception of the advantages of virtue, and the disadvantages of vice, and possessing a strength of resolution sufficient to enable you to resist common temptations. But think how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women, and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes, who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue, and retain them in the practice of it till it becomes habitual, which is the great point for its security. And perhaps you are indebted to her originally, that is, to your religious education, for the habits of virtue upon which you now justly value yourself. You might easily display your excellent talents of reasoning upon a less hazardous subject, and thereby obtain a rank with our most distinguished authors. For among us it is not necessary, as among the Hottentots, that a youth, to be raised into the company of men, should prove his manhood by beating his mother.

    I would advise you, therefore, not to attempt unchaining the tiger, but to burn this piece before it is seen by any other person; whereby you will save yourself a great deal of mortification by the enemies it may raise against you, and perhaps a good deal of regret and repentance. If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it. I intend this letter itself as a proof of my friendship, and therefore add no professions to it; but subscribe simply yours,

    B. Franklin

    maybe some of you with open minds would like to go here and learn some true American history for a change, I hope…… http://wallbuilders.com/




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  51. Janis Gore says:

    And, maybe she has taken recent conservative criticisms to heart — Krauthammer and Jonah Goldberg’s letter, for instance.

    Wouldn’t be the first time that a pop culture figure moved into political office. See Arnold Schwarzenegger. See John Glenn.

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  52. Palin’s move puts yet more pressure on Obama to finally get some results, as the soaring rhetoric isn’t hypnotizing the plebes like it used to. This week Helen Thomas, Colin Powell, and Warren Buffet all turned on him. Polls are looking droopy for The One lately.

    Obama’s porkulus program is a train wreck, all it’s done is bump interest rates and tank the dollar. We are being laughed at by bad guys like Tehran, Pyongyang, and Al Qaida who amazingly turned-down Barack’s friend-requests.

    Palin could trounce him in 2012, when Americans would vote for the Gipper-in-Heels in droves- while begging for lower taxes, free enterpise, a defense posture with some backbone… an end to the radical, anti-American nightmare we’ve got now.

    Go get ‘em Sarah-




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  53. bystander says:

    Give it up Reaganite Republican. Do you see how much Obama got accomplished in building a Nanny State in only 100 days without a filibuster-proof Congress? By time 2012 (or even 2010) rolls around, it will be too late for you religious fanatics who believe that some sovereign Deity gave us inalienable rights of pursuit. The only one who can truly take care of us is Big Brother … but we must let him get big enough to do it.

    Go Obama!




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  54. anjin-san says:

    I’m proud to be a bubblehead.

    Richard… no insult intended to submariners, who I hold in the highest regard. As for high IQ, I have one, but have never once been called a bubblehead. I have been called some very colorful things by women who I used to date 🙂

    The bubbles I am referring to are soap bubbles, you know, kind of pretty and shiny, with nothing but air inside them.




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  55. anjin-san says:

    Tango- I will certainly grant that intelligence is only one aspect of what a President needs to be successful, clearly some very intelligent men have failed at the job.

    As for the rest of your ramblings, all I can say is turn off Fox get out of the house, and get some clean air and sunshine into your system 🙂




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  56. Phil Smith says:

    Who wrote the update, by the way? It doesn’t scan like Joyner; it’s more childish, like Knapp.




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  57. An Interested Party says:

    Ahh…the schadenfreude! The most interesting thing to observe in all of this is not the governor herself, but rather, the reaction of conservatives…I’m so sorry to have to let you in on this, but all the insults in the world directed towards the former community organizer won’t fix or save the political future of dear Sarah…so rather than all these sour grapes, perhaps you should look to another person to be the Great Conservative Savior…the lady from Wasilla isn’t cut out for that job…so sorry…




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  58. odograph says:

    Thank you for this pearl of wisdom, wise anjin-san. Don’t overlook the fact that “intelligent” people are quite often very adept at coming up with excuses for why their beautifully constructed ideological schemes fall apart when they confront reality.

    True.

    A lessor mind would conclude that the scheme was faulty, but a fellow with an “intelligent” mind can convince himself that the scheme or policy was worthy except for X, Y, Z. Case in point, Marxists to this day, still claim that their ideology is just the prescription for the ills that befall our society and the trainwrecks of past Marxist policy implementations can be attributed to all sorts of factors that have no bearing whatsoever on the validity, and the beautiful elegance, of Marxism.

    … but then you make a similar mistake: letting your old marxist rant flow, rather than recognizing that “inexperience” arguments about Obama were “faulty.”

    We have new data. Obama is, if anything, a conventional President. He defers to established Washington power structures. He has tried nothing revolutionary or even jarring.

    We might not like that, to the extent that we don’t like conventional and established Washington … but I think it’s telling that our problems in Washington are problems with the whole structure, and not with a rogue or inexperienced actor.




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  59. anjin-san says:

    the soaring rhetoric isn’t hypnotizing the plebes like it used to. This week Helen Thomas, Colin Powell, and Warren Buffet all turned on him.

    So Buffet & Powell are plebes?? It’s really a good policy to think first, speak second. And being informed is not a bad thing either. Words mean things.




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  60. anjin-san says:

    TO THOMAS PAINE.
    [Date uncertain.]

    An interesting post GA. It is noteworthy that nowhere does Mr. Franklin mention Christianity.




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  61. floyd says:

    Anyone with a whit of sense could read this line of commentary alone and understand why a decent person would withdraw in disgust.
    Political dialog is dead here and is dieing fast around the country.
    The parents of today’s Democrats certainly did a good job raising children.
    Now it’s time to get back to raising adults.




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  62. An Interested Party says:

    re: floyd | July 4, 2009 | 01:18 pm

    Oh please, spare us all this sanctimonious drivel…yes, it was the meanie liberals who drove the poor little waif out of the governor’s office, believe that if you want, but I’m thinking of a certain quote about heat and a kitchen..and while lecturing about the parent’s of Democrats, make sure to admonish the parent’s of Republicans too…looking around at some of the comments on conservative blogs, one can see that incivility is not an exclusively liberal trait…




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  63. TangoMan says:

    … but then you make a similar mistake: letting your old marxist rant flow, rather than recognizing that “inexperience” arguments about Obama were “faulty.”

    The “Marxist rant” wasn’t specifically directed at President Obama, what I meant was the worldwide history of Marxist politics being implemented and failing to run according to ideological predictions. The excuses offered up over the last century are very creative, as we should expect from intelligent people, and yet later iterations of the experiments, which often time try to mitigate against the “reasons” for the previous failures also come crashing down to earth, thus creating evermore original excuses conjured up by intelligent people who still cling to the ideological perfection that that their intelligent minds have created.

    This is by no means a swipe at intelligent people nor is it some romantic plea about the wisdom of the common man, rather, I think it important to note that an intelligent man implementing the “wrong” policy will fare worse than the “mediocre” man implementing the “right” policy.




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  64. TangoMan says:

    but I think it’s telling that our problems in Washington are problems with the whole structure, and not with a rogue or inexperienced actor.

    President Obama has a history of paying to play, just look at his formative political experiences in Chicago, a city that he deliberately chose to relocate to.

    Conversely, look at the history of Governor Palin who exposed corruption, targeted the leader of the Alaskan Republican Party, took on the entrenched Murkowski regime, and who has a history as a reformer.

    If you think it’s telling that our problems in Washington stem from the existing structure, then I can’t see how electing any future candidates with Obama’s profile will be a move in the right direction.




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  65. Franklin says:

    floyd-

    First you say that political dialogue is dead or dying, then you make a partisan jab. I hate to be the one that breaks this to you, but it’s the mindless partisanship that is killing the dialogue.

    So it seems to me that you are part of the problem, which is a shame because you are generally one of the smarter and convincing guys that post here. Not the smartest and most convincing, but miles clear of someone like G.A.!




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  66. Eric Florack says:
  67. Matt says:

    Wow so they changed the coolaid to the soft drink tango? Tangoman sure is drinking tons of whatever it is. The mere fact that Tangoman is still trying to argue that Obama is a Marxist is just hilarious. I have yet to find a real Marxist or Communist in this country that supports anything Obama is doing. Hell most are busy pointing out how he ISN’T one of them 😛




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  68. Matt says:

    OH snap tangoman is even trying to paint the pay to play crap on OBama now lol. MIght I suggest you connect his refusal to work for a big law firm for lots of money to become a community organizer as a ploy to become president. Hell while your at it why don’t you claim his mom faked his birth certificate in order for him to be president. Or even better his mom and dad only got together to make a president and everything they did with him was purely for that one reason!! Cause everyone knows ambition is bad unless you’re a republican or a businessman!!

    Oh and Sarah fighting corruption?? The same one that is proud to help Ted STevens get relected? THe same one involved with dairygate and all that other crap? wow wow wow.. Some good drinks you’ve got there 🙂




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  69. Herb says:

    Tangoman, is Sarah Palin paying you to flack for her or are you doing it for free?

    If you’re getting paid, cool.

    But if you’re doing this for fun, you know, as a hobby, you should consider going pro. Of course, if you’re into working for free, I have an open personal driver position if you’re interested…




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  70. floyd says:

    Aip;
    Gee whiz, and from the first sentence in my post I expected you would be in support of my position.[**]

    BTW; Who is “us”? Are you in the habit of toting a frog in your pocket, or merely attempting to add the credibility of assumed support for your position?
    No matter,….. Why should you be spared what you view as sanctimonious drivel when I must constantly be subjected to your inane sarcasm.
    Apparently we have reached an impasse.[lol]

    Still, We cain’t say this ain’t fun, cuz we ain’t gittin’ paid for the effort , HUH??

    [** this sentence is sarcasm and not intended to be taken seriously!]




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  71. TangoMan says:

    The mere fact that Tangoman is still trying to argue that Obama is a Marxist is just hilarious. I have yet to find a real Marxist or Communist in this country that supports anything Obama is doing.

    1.) I never advanced the argument that Obama is a Marxist. You’ve merely “deduced” this from reading what you want to read.

    2.) Your defense of your position by invoking the “No True Scotsman Fallacy” is unconvincing, as should be expected when logical fallacies form the foundation of for an argued position.




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  72. G.A.Phillips says:

    An interesting post GA. It is noteworthy that nowhere does Mr. Franklin mention Christianity.

    ya he was probably talking about atheistic absolute nothingnessism, new age neopaganism, or the maybe the flying hypothesis monster……..

    Do you have any idea how these men were educated, or what they were taught or why or by who or what the gave praise to and for repeatedly or how they prayed or were or why or how, or how many times a day……

    Your conclusions have almost no basis in HISTORY if any……..




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  73. Matt says:

    1.) I never advanced the argument that Obama is a Marxist. You’ve merely “deduced” this from reading what you want to read.

    Oh never you just spent paragraphs spouting how marxist like he and his policies were. So yes you’re technically correct as you never directly called him a marxist 😛




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  74. TangoMan says:

    Oh never you just spent paragraphs spouting how marxist like he and his policies were. So yes you’re technically correct as you never directly called him a marxist 😛

    Dude, the best way to marginalize me as a kook is to reference the paragraphs where I spouted this nonsense. The best weapon to use is to hang my own writing on me. Happy hunting.




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  75. An Interested Party says:

    re: floyd | July 4, 2009 | 04:14 pm

    So sorry for having crashed the founding meeting of the Sarah Palin Victim Society…the credibility in question is yours, if you are really going to stand by the ridiculous idea that the governor of Alaska is getting out of politics because of the uncivil tone in modern political discourse…by the way, the “us” is anyone who doesn’t believe in this sad and pathetic argument…an especially rich one, as Palin herself has participated in that uncivil tone…




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  76. floyd says:

    Matt;
    Karl was more of a Capitalist than Barack,
    at least he ran a book store!
    NO argument , Obama is a Marxist!

    …………………………………………..
    Franklin;
    A reasonable man might infer partisanship from my remark above! None was implied! I do not support the Republican Party.
    Hang on! You will find plenty of derogatory remarks about Republicans too. PLEASE DO NOT take them as tacit support for the Democrat Party?

    “The party in power is always the dangerous one!”
    FC
    Lord Acton is quoted as saying…
    “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    He is also quoted as saying….
    “The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.”

    Just which party would a hypothetcal “Principled Libertarian” support within the framework of a Democratic Republic??




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  77. floyd says:

    Aip;
    So it’s you AND the frog?




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  78. An Interested Party says:

    So it’s you AND the frog?

    So how many people can you find to support your silly argument? You are the one in the minority here…meanwhile, it looks like McCain and Palin were the perfect running mates…




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  79. floyd says:

    Actually I did not support McCain/Palin in the last election, in fact I blame the Republican party for not giving us a clear choice on the issues of importance.

    The question remains do you think Palin has been treated fairly?
    AS fairly as Biden? Or Obama?
    I think the quote you were searching for earlier was….
    “If you can’t take the KITSCH, get out of the heat?”




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  80. An Interested Party says:

    Actually I did not support McCain/Palin in the last election…

    Nor did I ever claim that you did…

    The question remains do you think Palin has been treated fairly?

    How was she treated so terribly unfairly in comparison to the other participants in the 2008 presidential election? That her family was given unfair scrutiny? She was the one who paraded her family around and used her baby as a prop to establish her pro-life cred…that she was unfairly portrayed as being out of her depth? The questions asked of her by Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric were reasonable and the fact that she gave very weak responses did more damage to her than any mocking of her by anyone else…but it still seems like you (and she) want to play the victim card where she is concerned…certainly you (and she) are free to do that if you wish, but it will do little to help your position or her political future…




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  81. floyd says:

    My position needs no help, now yours is clear.




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  82. Drew says:

    81 posts.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone the left considers so trivial and unworthy capture their undivided attention for so long and so vociferously.

    If you believe what you say, shut up and get a life, people.




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  83. Eric Florack says:

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone the left considers so trivial and unworthy capture their undivided attention for so long and so vociferously.

    As I said in my extended comments; It’s called desperation.




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  84. I have a theory: I think maybe liberals are a bit better at judging character than conservatives. Maybe it’s because we have more women on our side of the aisle, or maybe because we’re just not as blinded by resentment and a sense of victimization.

    But in recent memory conservatives have been completely wrong and we’ve been completely right about George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. (I’ll leave Sanford out because I don’t think anyone guessed just how batshit he was.)

    Conservative’s personality theories of Obama have ranged from stupid to stupider. It’s one reason the right can’t lay a glove on him: they can’t figure him out and every time they try they look impotent and ridiculous.

    We’ve been trying to tell you people for 10 months that Palin was an empty skirt. Not just “untutored” but untutorable. Now cons are casting around desperately trying to come up with some way to avoid acknowledging that we were 100% right about from the start.

    Sorry, but we were right. Completely right. Right root and branch. And Palin fans were deluded.

    Maybe it’s a lack of empathy. That would be the polite term for it.




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  85. anjin-san says:

    As I said in my extended comments; It’s called desperation.

    Hmmmm. Yea. Thats pretty much what you said when you were telling us how Palin was going to lead the GOP to a crushing win over Obama 🙂

    You are a perfect conservative pundit bitsy, you bat about .078 and you think you are brilliant




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  86. anjin-san says:

    So what is the first Sarah Palin ’12 bumper sticker going to be?

    How about “Palin ’12 – Elect a Quitter”?




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  87. anjin-san says:

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone the left considers so trivial and unworthy capture their undivided attention for so long and so vociferously.

    I think Palin has an important role. She really a perfect representation of the modern “conservative” movement. A deeply ignorant person who is utterly convinced of the correctness of her beliefs. She is a worthy heir indeed to GW Bush.




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  88. Eric Florack says:

    But in recent memory conservatives have been completely wrong and we’ve been completely right about George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, Barack Obama and Sarah Palin.

    If you do say so, yourself.

    You are a perfect conservative pundit bitsy, you bat about .078 and you think you are brilliant

    And yet with your other comments you go about backing what I said by becoming a brilliant case in point. The amazing part is you never noticed.




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  89. anjin-san says:

    And yet with your other comments you go about backing what I said by becoming a brilliant case in point

    As usual, you see only what you wish to see. And your batting average slips to .058.

    You really should spend more time reflecting on the election Skippy. You know, the one where I pretty much called exactly what happened and you were utterly, specularly, horribly wrong? The one where I predicted the very day Palin was picked for the VP slot that she would have a very difficult time making the jump from double A ball to the majors? That was when you were busy telling us how Palin would wipe the floor with the Democratic ticket.

    Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. So, go forth young man, and continue to spout nonsense.

    But there is some desperation among Democrats. We are desperate for an opposition party based on intelligence and integrity. Dominance of the political landscape by either party is simply not a good thing for the country. The headlong rush by the GOP towards no-nothingisim, for which Palin is the standard bearer, is a bad thing our country.




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  90. G.A.Phillips says:

    lol, did someone say something about victim hood………




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  91. sam says:

    One-Minute Hamlet Skewed

    Dramatis Personae

    Samlet: Gov. Mark Sanford
    Saphelia:Ex-Gov. Sarah Palin
    Et al.

    Samlet: Yikes, a ghost. My codpiece dampens.
    Saphelia: Perhaps thy dark lady can dry it out for you.
    Samlet: Steady on there. Do not speak ill of Mom. Yorick was da fvcking bomb.
    Saphelia: Thou is just not into me, I fear.
    Samlet: Perhaps if thee were taller.
    Saphelia: Just like a man.
    Samlet: And thy upper reaches was more global.
    Saphelia: Superficial lout.
    Samlet: Something’s rotten in the state of Alaska, get thee hence and clean it up
    Saphelia: Hence? Hence me no hences. I’m unhencing from that icebox as fast as I can. And
    moveth to Iowa for the weather and the caucuses. First, I must fix my hair. (Slips, drowns in sink)
    Samlet: To pee or not to pee. Damn, where’s that jakes. This castle is way too
    big. Jeebus, the curtain moves. (Draws poinard. Stabs curtain)
    Polonius: Ouch. WTF?
    Samlet: Oops.
    Rosenkranz These mofos are crazy.
    Guildenstern: Roger that.
    Laertes: My sister, my father, knave. And that wench in Dagoland. You have no honor.
    Samlet: How now sprout?
    Laertes: I’ll show thee how now, draw down. (Waves sword)
    Samlet: Stay thy hand, youth. I shall explaineth all at a press conference.
    Reporter: How say you, Samlet, about the toing and froing to the South?
    Samlet: When your heart’s on fire you must realize smoke geteth in your eyes.
    Reporter: Smoke. What kind of smoke?
    Samlet: The real good shit. The climate down there you know.
    Laertes: Enough of this mewling. Draw down I say.
    (Samlet and Laertes fight, run each other through.)
    Fortinbarber: Ah Christ, what a mess. And the midterms coming up. I must summon
    all my skill to rescue us and gain seats.
    Italian Ambassador: Fette Cinza.

    Exeunt Omnes.




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  92. floyd says:

    “”Conservative’s personality theories of Obama have ranged from stupid to stupider. It’s one reason the right can’t lay a glove on him: they can’t figure him out and every time they try they look impotent and ridiculous.””
    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Still… the main reason is the irrational power of CELEBRITY on the unprincipled gullible minds of followers. The ladder by which every tyrant in history has ascended.
    Every warning falls on the deaf ears of the Star-struck, who usually remain mesmerized until it is too late to extricate themselves from their self imposed chains.




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  93. floyd says:

    BTW, In spite of the obfuscation, the central point here has not been the qualifications of Sara Palin [or any member of her family] for public office.
    The salient point is the vicious and unrelenting “Kristal Nacht” treatment that they have suffered even after they offer no threat.




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  94. An Interested Party says:

    The salient point is the vicious and unrelenting “Kristal Nacht” treatment that they have suffered even after they offer no threat.

    Oh my, now we have Nazi allusions…forget kitsch, we’re now in bad parody land…yes, G.A.Phillips, there is definitely victimhood going on…although no one can quite top comparing anything that has happened to Sarah Palin and her family to Kristallnacht…I mean, really, when do the war crimes trials start…




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  95. An Interested Party says:

    Oh, by the way, Drew, as I wrote earlier, it isn’t so much about Sarah Palin herself, but about the frenzied reaction of some conservatives to what has happened…get a life, indeed…




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  96. floyd says:

    Since you have repeatedly insisted on counseling me on my approach , informing me on how ineffective it is and how it will fail to help my cause, I feel compelled to inform you that your adolescent sarcasm might be mitigated in order that the adults might take you more seriously in the future.
    Now I will sit back and read your response, which I am sure will confirm the need for my council.




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  97. anjin-san says:

    Floyd, if you want to be one of the “adults”, how about not trivializing the suffering of victims of the nazis to bolster your political agenda?




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  98. floyd says:

    Anjin-san;
    Thanks for the advice, though apt it does give an opening for criticism,or at least an excuse.




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  99. anjin-san says:

    though apt

    How is it apt? Do you actually know anything about Kristallnacht? How many members of Palin’s family have been murdered as a result of their religious views or deported to concentration camps? Have her church or home been burned down? I repeat you are doing a disservice to the real victims of the nazis. It is too serious of a thing to be so trivialized. Knock it off.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht




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  100. An Interested Party says:

    Oh dear sweet Floyd…you actually compare anything that has happened to Sarah Palin and her family to the murderous actions of the Nazis and then feel the need to advise me about being taken seriously? I’m sure the irony is lost on you…I guess we need to add projection to your list of ailments…ya know, perhaps sarcasm, adolescent or otherwise, isn’t the appropriate response to such a witless comparison, but rather, complete scorn…




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  101. floyd says:

    OH dear sweet Aip;
    Good thing anjin-san came to your rescue, huh?
    He helped you with an excuse, any other analogy would have elicited the same response.
    The reference was to a mentality and was analogous, had I said “lynch mob” it would have been insensitive to hanging victims as well, after all, no one has been killed! how about “terrorist treatment” …
    too strong of an ANALOGY again.
    Nothing short of “they got what they deserved”, or some other KITSCH, would satisfied you, and you won’t hear it here!
    You know d@^%$d well there was no intent to do any disservice to anyone, and you will not be allowed at this time or ever to be my moral arbiter.
    Now, I am willing to move forward without animosity if you are, and will try to keep your sensitivities, real or imagined, in mind to the extent that it doesn’t prevent me from presenting views that oppose yours in the future.




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  102. An Interested Party says:

    Good thing anjin-san came to your rescue, huh?

    Not really, as I needed no one to come to my “rescue”…your analogy speaks for itself…

    You know d@^%$d well there was no intent to do any disservice to anyone, and you will not be allowed at this time or ever to be my moral arbiter.

    No, the only disservice was to anyone’s intelligence in making such a ridiculous comparison…and how interesting that you feel the need to deny permission to me to be your moral arbiter while at the same time you are sitting in judgment of those who have criticized Palin…

    Now, I am willing to move forward without animosity if you are, and will try to keep your sensitivities, real or imagined, in mind to the extent that it doesn’t prevent me from presenting views that oppose yours in the future.

    No problem and you needn’t worry about my sensitivities as they have been unharmed in this exchange…I was merely pointing out bullshit when I saw it…have a nice day… 🙂




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  103. TangoMan says:

    I’m not sure who her political brain trust is but the idea that resigning as governor — the only significant political office she’s had — after only two years will improve her chances of getting elected president is, to say the least, unconventional.

    Conventional wisdom will need to be modified if the nation doesn’t want to forever block opportunity to seek higher office for politicians from Alaska and Hawaii.

    The mean center of the US population is Phelps County, Missouri, so the Governor of Hawaii will require an 8 hour flight from Honolulu to St. Louis, an Alaska Governor will require a 6 hour flight from Anchorage to St. Louis, compared to 90 hours for a flight from Tallahassee, 2 hours from Albany, 3.5 hours from Sacramento or Olympia. Imagine a Virginia Governor having to fly from Richmond to London Heathrow, a 7 hour flight (at 460 kts), in order to advance his campaign while his primary competitors only had to contend with quick little jaunts to each campaign event.




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  104. G.A.Phillips says:

    Oh my, now we have Nazi allusions…forget kitsch, we’re now in bad parody land…yes, G.A.Phillips, there is definitely victimhood going on…although no one can quite top comparing anything that has happened to Sarah Palin and her family to Kristallnacht…I mean, really, when do the war crimes trials start…

    I don’t get it,nearing 60 million Americans put to death by the judgment of your religious ideology 100’s of millions around the world from the same….
    but yet when I compare you to the Nazi you don’t understand, and thats just one of the many ways you and your friends are similar to them…..

    I could go on but you won’t see because you wish not to…but then I have read of a wish that God will grant, guess what it is….




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  105. An Interested Party says:

    re: G.A.Phillips | July 5, 2009 | 06:32 pm

    You have no idea what my religious faith is nor do you have a clue as to how I feel about abortion so all you are really doing is babbling…speaking of which, if you really believe that people who favor abortion are the same as “Nazis”…well, make sure to let me know who else would actually believe in that argument…




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  106. G.A.Phillips says:

    You have no idea what my religious faith is nor do you have a clue as to how I feel about abortion so all you are really doing is babbling…speaking of which, if you really believe that people who favor abortion are the same as “Nazis”…well, make sure to let me know who else would actually believe in that argument…

    did you vote for Obama, then your support aborting murdering babies, I call liberals Nazi because they foolishly label Hitler a Christian, he was a socialist/evolutionist just like you and your friends, history has meaning and so does what you do, say,believe and support, I attack your indoctrination in many different ways, but in all trueness I wish I was not so much of a uncouth x liberal with my emotions, I will and always apologize for that, but you are right in the small part you that are right about me in, I try hard should stop acting like the wise*** fool of my past, it just thats it’s so hard to be nice to some of you people even that I mostly like and sympathize with most of you but for different reasons then you would ever want me to…..

    so please forgive me for my transgressions against what I know to be the right way to act and respond to whoever, I will try to go away and become more proficient in this.
    I believe that I have become addicted to ******* with you people instead of just talking things out like I tried to do when I first came here.




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  107. VoteTheDay says:

    The reasons of Palin resignation are controversial. What could be the real cause of her decision? Vote on the most possible one – http://www.votetheday.com/america/palin-resignation-424/




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  108. Eric says:

    The salient point is the vicious and unrelenting “Kristal Nacht” treatment that they have suffered even after they offer no threat.

    Anjin, Interested Party:

    You guys know the drill. Godwin’s Law was violated by Floyd. By rule, Floyd & Co. automatically lose the argument. No need to respond to their tiresome Nazi analogies.

    Sorry, Floyd, rules are rules (or laws are laws). You lose.




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  109. Eric Florack says:

    As usual, you see only what you wish to see

    It’s called ‘the truth”. Your disdain for such is understandable and quite predictable.

    You really should spend more time reflecting on the election Skippy.

    Yeah, how’s that aowkring out for you? I mean, aside from 10% unemployment and climbing, aside from countries that were supposed to love is the moment the Obamasiah crossed the threshold of the Oval Office… aside from the quadrupling of debt your guy has loaded on our sholders in the first six months of being in office… aside from job killing legislation…. oh, wait… is there anything this moron has brought that we can celebrate over?




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  110. anjin-san says:

    Yeah, how’s that aowkring out for you?

    Nice duck & cover. Please show me where I have made predictions for the actual Obama administration that were incorrect.

    Point is, my predictions for the election were dead-bang on, and yours were a joke.

    As for Obama, lets review when we are 18 months in. Right now, he is occupied trying to dig us out of the wreckage of Bush/neocon/con rule. No small task.




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  111. anjin-san says:

    It’s called ‘the truth”. Your disdain for such is understandabl

    Not really, I am fine with seeking the truth. Its you and your Pravdaish variety that I have disdain for…




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