A Handy Dandy Guide To Refuting Every Argument Made By A Birther

Since Donald Trump has brought the whole birther issue back into the mainstream, I figured it would be useful to note that back in 2009 Salon Magazine has put together this one-stop guide to refuting all of the major arguments made by the birthers, including:

  1. Myth 1: Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.
  2. Myth 2: Obama can’t be president because his father was a British citizen
  3. Myth 3: A Kenyan birth certificate for Obama, showing he was born in Mombasa, has been discovered
  4. Myth 4: Obama’s grandmother said he was born in Kenya
  5. Myth 5: Hawaii allows parents to get birth certificates for their foreign-born children
  6. Myth 6: Obama traveled to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport
  7. Myth 7: Obama hasn’t released his birth certificate
  8. Myth 8: If Obama would just release his birth certificate, he could end all this

Check it out the next time you’re tempted to think that the birthers make even a scintilla of sense. And perhaps someone should print it out and send a copy to Trump Tower.

 

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Comments

  1. Murray says:

    Sane Republicans would be well inspired to start using this kind of data to clean up their stables.
    Democrats on the other hand are best off just saying nothing as there is no point in getting in the way of opponents shooting themselves in the foot.




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  2. Southern Hoosier says:

    If it is such a slam dunk, then why did Elan Kagan, who served as solicitor general of the United States, block at least 9 birther lawsuits for going forward?

    The fact Kagan handled these cases and is now Obama’s first choice for the high court is raising some eyebrows. “She was the solicitor general for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural-born citizenship,” notes WND reader Carl Jorgensen of Farmingdale, N.J. “He owes her big time. All of the requests were denied of course,” Jorgensen continued. “They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn’t it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It’s all about payback time for those that compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there. We should be getting so sick of all of this nonsense. The USA has finally become the laughing stock of the world. God help and deliver us.”

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/126/727/Kagan_Blocked_Obama_Eligibility_Lawsuits.html
    I would have thought Comrade Obama would have wanted it to go before the Supreme Court and settle the issue once and for all. Of course maybe he didn’t want the truth to come out.

    And what about Stefan Frederick Cook, the solider who refused to go to Afghanistan because Comrade Obama was not the Commander in Chief? If Comrade Obama is legally the Commander in Chief, then Cook ought to be court marital. Has he?




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  3. Erin says:

    I would vote for THEDONALD in a heartbeat if he ran for President of the United State of America!! Call us non-believers whatever you want, the pseudos (democrats/socialists/communists) do. IF Hussein Obama had a legitimate birth certificate, we would have seen it long ago. All the REAL, unaltered birth certificates I have ever seen have the signatures of both the mother and the father. Where are the signatures on the one you are showing as being a true birth certificate?? I am sorry I didn’t see this article before I’d book marked your site. I had to go back and delete it!! SHAME ON YOU for turning on conservatives you don’t agree with because they are individuals who don’t mimic your philosophy!!




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  4. Scott says:

    Southern Hoosier, that was absolutely beautiful.




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  5. Scott says:

    Wow. Erin, I think you beat Southern Hoosier.




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  6. mantis says:

    Oh good. A new crop of birthtards.




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  7. ratufa says:

    If it is such a slam dunk, then why did Elan Kagan, who served as solicitor general of the United States, block at least 9 birther lawsuits for going forward?

    1) She didn’t. See:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=187797

    which is the source that claim.

    2) In any case, it was her job to represent the government in cases before the Supreme Court. That’s what the Solicitor General does. Some details about what the job entails is at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Solicitor_General

    3) Decisions as to which cases the Supreme Court hears are made by members of the Supreme Court, not the Solicitor General. Details about that are at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedures_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Selection_of_cases

    4) As for the Stefan Cook case, the Army has some words as to why they did what they did:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/army-caught-up-in-reservist-s-obama-conspiracy-theory-1.93679

    But, of course, everyone is free to have their own interpretation of events.




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  8. Southern Hoosier says:

    More ugly truth. Here is a website that answers all those questions about the signature, lack of folds, the seal etc.
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
    What the site fells to answer is why only the Annenberg Foundation. a leftest group, was given access to Comrade Obama’s birth certificate and no one else.




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  9. Southern Hoosier says:

    Scott says:
    Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 22:44

    Southern Hoosier, that was absolutely beautiful.

    Yes the truth is beautiful.




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  10. Jay Tea says:

    I’m sticking by my own conspiracy theory: there’s nothing “wrong” or “embarrassing” about Obama’s birth certificate. He has just discovered the political benefits in having the Birthers constantly bringing it up, and sees no reason to not let it continue.

    The expenses involved in keeping it alive as an issue are nothing compared to the benefits in having a hard-core group of obsessed foes fixated on an ultimately meaningless issue that makes them look like nuts, not to mention the fun of painting whole swaths of the opposition with the same smear.

    If this was deliberate, it would be one of the more brilliant political ploys ever. But I don’t think Obama and his cronies are that smart. But I do give them full credit for seeing it develop and running with it.

    J.




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  11. Jay Dubbs says:

    This should simply be the only issue in 2012. 18 months of this debate, led by Trump, would be awesome. (Of course, at the end, Donald would be the only one left with any hair, as everyone else would have pulled theirs out in frustration.)




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  12. jwest says:

    As I have maintained from the start, Obama is a U.S. citizen by virtue of the fact his mother was a citizen, regardless of where he was born. That being said, I can’t help but wonder….

    Obama was born in 1961. Although Hawaii isn’t Mississippi, it had its share of people who didn’t take the birth of a black child to the white daughter of a prominent banker as an everyday affair. In the context of that time in history, it was considered a scandal.

    Still, no one has come forward to say they were there or remembered the day of the birth. No doctor, nurse, orderly, admitting clerk, neighbor, anyone. Doesn’t that seem strange?




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  13. Southern Hoosier says:

    How about A Handy Dandy Guide To Refuting Every Argument Made By A ???? Uh what cute name do you have for a person that questions Obama’s SSN?

    This being the case, I asked Daniels to guide me through the data mine field and help me ascertain what we know for sure about the world’s best-known Social Security number – 042-68-4425.

    “All I can say,” says Daniels of 042-68-4425, “is that it’s phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his Selective Service document in 1980.”

    Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age 19, which is why his information is available.

    Wood’s Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn 16 in August of that year. Wood lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Conn., the state from which all “042s” applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.

    Read more: Another look at Obama’s Social Security number http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=275861#ixzz1Iw4mrcrr




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  14. Dustin says:

    I actually agree with Jay Tea and have believed that from the beginning. I think initially it kept political opponents focused on a foolish endeavor, so it was beneficial. I don’t think anyone saw it growing the way it has, and the decision to ignore it is about to pay off even larger.

    All the REAL, unaltered birth certificates I have ever seen have the signatures of both the mother and the father. Where are the signatures on the one you are showing as being a true birth certificate??

    I love these all-encompassing statements that people make with no real knowledge. The only officially issued birth certificate I have for my children contains the exact same information as Obama’s certificate of live birth, and neither my wife or I ever had to sign it. Same goes for what I have for a birth certificate from another state, when I got an updated copy to get a passport 5 years ago. Again, no signature from either of my parents on it.




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  15. mantis says:

    I’m sticking by my own conspiracy theory: there’s nothing “wrong” or “embarrassing” about Obama’s birth certificate. He has just discovered the political benefits in having the Birthers constantly bringing it up, and sees no reason to not let it continue.

    You’re sticking to it despite the fact that it’s been pointed out to you repeatedly that the State of Hawaii only issues one type of birth documentation, and that Obama has already released that. You pretend he’s hiding something he is not, because you find it politically advantageous. You are doing the exact thing you are (knowingly falsely) accusing the president of. You’re what we would call a lying hack. Or you’re just a birthtard. You pick.

    The expenses involved in keeping it alive

    You mean the imaginary expenses in your mind? That’s one point for the Birthtard category.

    But I do give them full credit for seeing it develop and running with it.

    Ignoring it as much as possible = “running with it” to morons like Jay.




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  16. tom p says:

    Still, no one has come forward to say they were there or remembered the day of the birth. No doctor, nurse, orderly, admitting clerk, neighbor, anyone. Doesn’t that seem strange?

    No. I have no specific memories of any of the thousands of 2x4s I have built with over the years. Does that sound strange to you? (I do remember a particlar 2×12 that left a 3 1/2 inch splinter buried 3 inches deep in my hand tho)




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  17. Contracts says:

    Wow, mantis. Re-read, dude.




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  18. jwest says:

    Tom P,

    Perhaps you’re a bit young to appreciate what the climate was like in 1961. I was very young, but I was aware that the six degrees of separation that link every individual on the planet could be bridged in a matter of hours via rotary dial phones when juicy gossip was involved.

    This was an age when unwed girls would leave town to have a child and put it up for adoption. “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner” was six years later and was groundbreaking in the subject of interracial marriage. To have the daughter of prominent people in Hawaii, probably the most openly racist state in the union (against both black and white) have a black baby without remembering someone remembering it is simply not possible.




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  19. Patrick T. McGuire says:

    I don’t particularly have a dog in this fight, but I am curious about something. Can y’all explain why the certificate number is blacked out?




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  20. Nikki says:

    Still, no one has come forward to say they were there or remembered the day of the birth. No doctor, nurse, orderly, admitting clerk, neighbor, anyone. Doesn’t that seem strange?

    You ask this as if there was only one multiracial birth in all of whatever Hawaiian city Obama was born in. You expect the hospital staff and neighbors from 1961 to remember the particulars of the birth of one black baby? Unless Ms. Dunham went into labor still a virgin and her baby was born with a halo crowning his head, I seriously doubt his birth was that remarkable.




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  21. wr says:

    “Hawaii, the most openly racist state” in 1961. When the Klan was murdering blacks in Mississippi and the state refused to prosecute.

    Is it possible for you to sit at a keyboard for five seconds without embarassing yourself?




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  22. deathcar2000 says:

    yes i remember it now….1961 Selma Hawaii. The dogs, The fire hoses. It was the most racist of the states. Yes it’s all comming back to me. how they beat all us white people… it.was.the.most.racist.state.in.the.union. . . .for us rag-tag group of white folks.




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  23. deathcar2000 says:

    i remember the time in the most racist state in the union, Hawaii. Elvis and Angela Lansbury were denied a seat at a lunch counter just after filming Blue Hawaii, it was horrible.




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  24. Neil Hudelson says:

    Ugh, Southern Hoosier paints all Hoosiers–and especially those of us from the most beautiful part of the state, with a horrible brush.

    Let me just state clearly–there are many fine southern Hoosiers who aren’t racist pieces of sh*t.




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  25. Southern Hoosier says:

    Patrick T. McGuire says:Friday, April 8, 2011 at 12:54

    I don’t particularly have a dog in this fight, but I am curious about something. Can y’all explain why the certificate number is blacked out?

    Yes
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html




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  26. Southern Hoosier says:

    Neil Hudelson says: Friday, April 8, 2011 at 16:32

    Ugh, Southern Hoosier paints all Hoosiers–and especially those of us from the most beautiful part of the state, with a horrible brush.

    Let me just state clearly–there are many fine southern Hoosiers who aren’t racist pieces of sh*t.

    But of course anyone that question anything about the Great One is a racist. I love how liberals play the race card and resort to name calling when their logic fails them, usually after about 5 minutes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqbrJGct4o




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  27. Southern Hoosier says:

    Birther: Orwellian Newspeak for racist




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  28. matt says:

    tom p : Thanks you made me giggle and then cringe horribly in one thread.. How many nails do you remember? I remember a few from a specific nailgun ugh…




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