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James Joyner
About James Joyner
James Joyner is Professor and Department Head of Security Studies at Marine Corps University's Command and Staff College. He's a former Army officer and Desert Storm veteran. Views expressed here are his own. Follow James on Twitter @DrJJoyner.


  1. So O.J. Simpson joined Twitter overnight.

    I guess he’s going to use social media to continue searching for The Real Killers.

  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug Mataconis: Yet one more reason to avoid twitter.

  3. @OzarkHillbilly:

    YMMV but for me it makes the whole thing more amusing.

  4. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug Mataconis: I’ll bet you’re into self flagellation in a big way too. 😉

  5. @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’ll admit it can be quite maddening at times. Kind of like being subjected to yet another Donald Trump campaign rally speech.

  6. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug Mataconis: My tolerance of trump speech has gotten so low I can’t even read the *sentences* that come out of his mouth anymore.

    ** or at least what passes for sentences from him.

  7. @OzarkHillbilly:

    I would hate to be the person responsible for doing the captioning for those speeches.

  8. CSK says:

    Speaking of Trump, he referred to Melania as “it” yesterday when describing her as the new Jackie O.

  9. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Doug Mataconis: They couldn’t make deathrow prisoners in SuperMax do it because that would be cruel and unusual punishment.

  10. Teve says:

    Twitter is a great way to follow writers and geeks like Simone Giertz and Diana cowern and new professor at my Alma Mater Katie Mack, and Jose Andres and Kara Swisher and Kevin Kruse and okay countless people actually.

    Admittedly, social media was a net negative in my life until I figured out some basic rules for eliminating idiot garbage people from the mix. Now it’s great.

  11. Teve says:

    @CSK: I’m giving him a pass on that specific item because there is an ambiguous “it” in the English language and some constructions where it doesn’t clearly refer to anything or anybody. Like when Daffy duck says “it is to laugh”, what or who is the it there? In Trump’s situation there it could refer to Melania, or Melania’s name, or the situation in general.

  12. Teve says:

    “it’s much like Obama, who I believe was the reason why we had the Great Recession. As he got closer and closer to winning the markets collapsed.”

    I defy you to find me anything stupider than this comment art laffer made on April 15th on Fox.

  13. CSK says:

    @Teve: I know, but you have a more generous spirit than I.

  14. gVOR08 says:


    It was Jackie O and that’s good. But we have our own Jackie O today, it’s called Melania,” the president said in a phone interview with Fox & Friends. “Melania. We’ll call it Melania T, OK?

    Doesn’t strike me as particularly ambiguous. And he said it twice. Unless, of course, you allow that nothing Trump says is actually coherent.

  15. Teve says:

    He was talking about the Air Force One color scheme that was picked by Jackie Kennedy. Here’s The Hill:

    Trump made the comparison between his wife and the iconic first lady when defending his decision to paint the new Air Force One red, white and blue, replacing the baby blue color scheme picked by Kennedy Onassis in the 1960s.

    “It was Jackie O and that’s good. But we have our own Jackie O today, it’s called Melania. Melania. We’ll call it Melania T, OK?”

    it’s not hard to read it as “it was Jackie o who picked the colors.” Or “it was the Jackie o scheme now it’s the Melania t scheme”.

  16. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @gVOR08: Looked up the full quote and got led to the Daily Caller. In the context of the whole quote, the first “it” refers to the “baby blue” color of AF One, and seems to link Jackie O to the color scheme choice. (That he would know something like this–or even listen to anyone who did–is pretty remarkable on its own.) With that as the context, my take is that the “it”s related to Melania are neither innocent neutrals nor are they offensive to Melania because they are simply incoherent unless Trump is trying to name the new paint job after his wife. That’s too much of a stretch even for me. He’s neither thoughtful enough nor clever enough to figure that out; although if he did, it would sound like something on the order of what he actually said because of his increasing inability to express himself.

  17. Gustopher says:

    My idiot brother now raises the pitch of his voice in the same pattern that Donald Trump does — when pulling up a fact or conclusion that is a complete lie lifted from Fox News.

    I assume he has some kind of parasite.

  18. CSK says:

    Can we just leave it at: “The fat stupid f*ck can’t speak basic English”?

  19. Mister Bluster says:

    Trump compares Melania to Jackie O.

    He wants her to be a widow?

  20. CSK says:

    @Mister Bluster: It must be that. Try as I may, I have no recollection of Ms. Onassis ever posing for a softcore lesbian bondage and discipline portfolio.

  21. Teve says:

    @CSK: you’re right that in some respects Melania was awesomer than Jackie O., but the Trump administration is still terrible.

  22. Bill says:

    This is US Open golf weekend. I will spending much of my time watching. Brooks Koepka is trying to win it for the 3rd year in a row. He is currently 5 shots out of the lead.

    Monday will be mark 30 years married for the wife and I. It is also the 12th birthday for our cat named Misay. Misay is waray for cat. My wife is a waray waray nicknamed Netnet born in Alangalang, had a friend named Wenwen, a goddaughter named Jenjen, and once had a cat named Tenten. That last sentence is totally true.

  23. Mister Bluster says:

    Independence Hall Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Thursday June 14, 1787
    Mr. PATTERSON, observed to the Convention that it was the wish of several deputations, particularly that of N. Jersey, that further time might be allowed them to contemplate the plan reported from the Committee of the Whole, and to digest one purely federal, and contradistinguished from the reported plan. He said they hoped to have such an one ready by tomorrow to be laid before the Convention: And the Convention adjourned that leisure might be given for the purpose.

    Friday June 15, 1787
    Mr. PATTERSON, laid before the Convention the plan which he said several of the deputations wished to be substituted in place of that proposed by Mr. Randolph. After some little discussion of the most proper mode of giving it a fair deliberation it was agreed that it should be referred to a Committee of the whole, and that in order to place the two plans in due comparison, the other should be recommitted. At the earnest desire of Mr. Lansing & some other gentlemen, it was also agreed that the Convention should not go into Committee of the whole on the subject till tomorrow, by which delay the friends of the plan proposed by Mr. Patterson wd. be better prepared to explain & support it, and all would have an opportuy. of taking copies.

    The propositions from N. Jersey moved by Mr. Patterson were in the words following.
    1. Resd. that the articles of Confederation ought to be so revised, corrected & enlarged, as to render the federal Constitution adequate to the exigencies of Government, & the preservation of the Union.
    2. Resd. that in addition to the powers vested in the U. States in Congress, by the present existing articles of Confederation, they be authorized to pass acts for raising a revenue, by levying a duty or duties on all goods or merchandizes of foreign growth or manufacture, imported into any part of the U. States, by Stamps on paper, vellum or parchment, and by a postage on all letters or packages passing through the general post-office, to be applied to such federal purposes as they shall deem proper & expedient;…to pass Acts for the regulation of trade & commerce as well with foreign nations as with each other:..subject nevertheless, for the correction of all errors, both in law & fact in rendering Judgment, to an appeal to the Judiciary of the U. States.
    3. Resd. that whenever requisitions shall be necessary, instead of the rule for making requisitions mentioned in the articles of Confederation, the United States in Congs. be authorized to make such requisitions in proportion to the whole number of white & other free citizens & inhabitants of every age sex and condition including those bound to servitude for a term of years & three fifths of all other persons not comprehended in the foregoing description, except Indians not paying taxes;..
    4. Resd. that the U. States in Congs. be authorized to elect a federal Executive to consist of —— persons, to continue in office for the term of —— years, be incapable of holding any other office or appointment during their time of service and for —— years thereafter; to be ineligible a second time, & removeable by Congs. on application by a majority of the Executives of the several States; that the Executives besides their general authority to execute the federal acts ought to appoint all federal officers not otherwise provided for, & to direct all military operations; provided that none of the persons composing the federal Executive shall on any occasion take command of any troops, so as personally to conduct any enterprise as General or in other capacity.
    5. Resd. that a federal Judiciary be established to consist of a supreme Tribunal the Judges of which to be appointed by the Executive, & to hold their offices during good behaviour,..that the Judiciary so established shall have authority to hear & determine in the first instance on all impeachments of federal officers, & by way of appeal in the dernier resort in all cases touching the rights of Ambassadors, in all cases of captures from an enemy, in all cases of piracies & felonies on the high Seas, in all cases in which foreigners may be interested, in the construction of any treaty or treaties, or which may arise on any of the Acts for regulation of trade, or the collection of the federal Revenue: that none of the Judiciary shall during the time they remain in office be capable of receiving or holding any other office or appointment during their time of service, or for —— thereafter.
    6. Resd. that all Acts of the U. States in Congs. made by virtue & in pursuance of the powers hereby & by the articles of Confederation vested in them, and all Treaties made & ratified under the authority of the U. States shall be the supreme law of the respective States so far forth as those Acts or Treaties shall relate to the said States or their Citizens, and that the Judiciary of the several States shall be bound thereby in their decisions, any thing in the respective laws of the Individual States to the contrary notwithstanding; and that if any State, or any body of men in any State shall oppose or prevent yd. carrying into execution such acts or treaties, the federal Executive shall be authorized to call forth ye. power of the Confederated States, or so much thereof as may be necessary to enforce and compel an obedience to such Acts, or an observance of such Treaties.
    7. Resd. that provision be made for the admission of new States into the Union.
    8. Resd. the rule for naturalization ought to be the same in every State.
    9. Resd. that a Citizen of one State committing an offense in another State of the Union, shall be deemed guilty of the same offense as if it had been committed by a Citizen of the State in which the offense was committed.

  24. Franklin says:

    @Bill: Congrats on your anniversary and your apparent love of cats. I didn’t understand the rest, I thought it was Pig Latin for a moment.

  25. MarkedMan says:

    Happy Father’s day to any dads here

  26. Mister Bluster says:

    Happy Father’s Day to the Founding Fathers!